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oswald
February 25, 2015 at 12:22:45 PM
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Posted By: checkers4me on February 25 2015 at 03:34:39 AM

Nobody is condoning anything Bush did..What i have read so far is there is NO PROOF..pics, video..Ray Rice blasted his woman right then and there ON VIDEO..BOOM!! Down goes frasier..So how do YOU know Kurt Bush gave Ms. Dolly pants a right cross?  

There is a lot of speculation and in this soapy opera..We shall see..



Really? smyffra says "she got exactly what she wished for". Do not believe any woman asks for being abused. Every one is bashing her for lack of witnesses/evidence. Just because there are no marks on her (allegedly) does not mean she was not abused. Unless she was coming after him with a knife or baseball bat there is no need to respond to her with physical violence. 

 

Kurt is known for a bad temper and losing control of it.

 

Nobody saw the Ray Rice video till TMZ came out with it. That was after he ADMITTED that he knocked her out and the NFL suspended him for a whole 2 games.

 

NEVER HIT A WOMAN!!!



Speedbump
February 25, 2015 at 12:56:02 PM
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Like others, I do not like Kurt Busch (or his brother) one bit....this might even be a bit of karma for his treatment of Dr Punch, the police officer in Phoenix and all the other he crapped on.   If guilty,  I hope he loses everything and has to live in a double-wide outside of Barstow flipping burgers for a living.   (hell, I really hope that is what happens to him anyways,  just not as a result of fales accusations from a vengeful ex) 

 

What I am saying about the way this was handled is that IF this lady was worried about her safety, she could have gone about it in much better ways.    She seems to be forcing this into the media and targeting his livelihood, capitalizing on the Ray Rice and other recent incidents in attempt for public sympathy and revenge instead of solution.  

 

Yes,  based on her actions, I doubt her story and question her motives.  



egras
February 25, 2015 at 02:38:44 PM
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Posted By: oswald on February 24 2015 at 11:15:35 PM

So you are saying you would take the testimony of some bat shit crazy man? Look at Kurt's past. Just the past that has happened in nascar that we know about. 

 

There was a huge out cry about what Ray Rice did before the video from i side the elevator came out.

 

I guess I was raised different from you guys. I do not believe in EVER hitting a woman. I do not think a woman asks for being hit just because she shows up at an ex boyfriends house/camper or what ever.




??  1.  I said I don't like Kurt Busch-he's a tool            2.  There is no proof--her word against his             3.  Regardless of whether or not the Ray Rice video came out or not--there was knowledge of a video of him, punching out his fiance.      4.  Ray Rice got two games only-until the video was actually released to the public.   

 

Do not say you were raised differently than me either.  I stated VERY clearly that I don't condone hitting a woman-I never have and never, ever will.  I also don't think that showing up at your ex's house/camper is grounds for assault.  I do though, believe that I am innocent unless you prove me guilty.  Now, I understand that this is a private business organization that does not need to follow the letter of the law.  But, I believe there are no grounds yet to suspend him as they do not have any, good, tangible evidence that he did anything criminal.  Can they?  Yes.  Should they?  Only as a knee-jerk reaction to the NFL fiasco.  They aren't the same thing.  Period.




LatshPA
February 26, 2015 at 07:19:09 AM
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Posted By: oswald on February 24 2015 at 11:15:35 PM

So you are saying you would take the testimony of some bat shit crazy man? Look at Kurt's past. Just the past that has happened in nascar that we know about. 

 

There was a huge out cry about what Ray Rice did before the video from i side the elevator came out.

 

I guess I was raised different from you guys. I do not believe in EVER hitting a woman. I do not think a woman asks for being hit just because she shows up at an ex boyfriends house/camper or what ever.



If your beaten there is a mark, there were no marks.  She may have been physically removed, but if you come onto my property, into my house, without my permission, you've given up your rights as far as I'm concerned.  If some woman ran into your house right now, that's ok to you?  Domestic violence has no place, but I sure as hell don't want my exes to be able to run into my house and confront me whenever they want with no consequence either.  This case isn't even comparable to Ray Rice, but it's the typical Brian France desperate grab to make NASCAR like the NFL.  He forgets when Nascar was actually filling seats, it was because it was nothing like the NFL....





StanM
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February 26, 2015 at 05:41:36 PM
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Posted By: oswald on February 24 2015 at 11:15:35 PM

So you are saying you would take the testimony of some bat shit crazy man? Look at Kurt's past. Just the past that has happened in nascar that we know about. 

 

There was a huge out cry about what Ray Rice did before the video from i side the elevator came out.

 

I guess I was raised different from you guys. I do not believe in EVER hitting a woman. I do not think a woman asks for being hit just because she shows up at an ex boyfriends house/camper or what ever.



I'm with you, whenever these things come up I refuse to walk in lock step with my racing fan blinders on.  I prefer to let things unfold and reserve judgement for the facts to come out.  I've been married over 40 years, raised three daughters and have four granddaughters and try to set an example in the family by treating the women in my life with respect. 

Why is it so hard to understand that a NASCAR driver with a long standing reputation of conflicts IN PUBLIC could conceivably batter a woman?  I have a feeling that there is confidential evidence that was presented to the judge that made this ruling.  NASCAR took an unprecedented move in this case so there must be more to it.

Disclaimer:  Could I be wrong about NASCAR?  I've been wrong many times before, just ask my wife.  In the meantime I don't have an interest in Kurt Bush's racing team so aside from not seeing him for five minutes before I fall asleep in the recliner it will have no effect on me either way.  wink


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egras
February 26, 2015 at 06:00:17 PM
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Posted By: StanM on February 26 2015 at 05:41:36 PM

I'm with you, whenever these things come up I refuse to walk in lock step with my racing fan blinders on.  I prefer to let things unfold and reserve judgement for the facts to come out.  I've been married over 40 years, raised three daughters and have four granddaughters and try to set an example in the family by treating the women in my life with respect. 

Why is it so hard to understand that a NASCAR driver with a long standing reputation of conflicts IN PUBLIC could conceivably batter a woman?  I have a feeling that there is confidential evidence that was presented to the judge that made this ruling.  NASCAR took an unprecedented move in this case so there must be more to it.

Disclaimer:  Could I be wrong about NASCAR?  I've been wrong many times before, just ask my wife.  In the meantime I don't have an interest in Kurt Bush's racing team so aside from not seeing him for five minutes before I fall asleep in the recliner it will have no effect on me either way.  wink



"I prefer to let things unfold and reserve judgement for the facts to come out"   Ok-so you aren't in favor of him being suspended then?   ?         At least, not until "the facts come out", correct? 

 




chance2195
February 27, 2015 at 09:39:53 AM
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Fifteen days until test n tune.  Screw the NASCAR soap opera.  I'm ready for the dirt to start flying.



Jsr7s
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February 28, 2015 at 08:16:26 AM
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Posted By: oswald on February 25 2015 at 12:22:45 PM

Really? smyffra says "she got exactly what she wished for". Do not believe any woman asks for being abused. Every one is bashing her for lack of witnesses/evidence. Just because there are no marks on her (allegedly) does not mean she was not abused. Unless she was coming after him with a knife or baseball bat there is no need to respond to her with physical violence. 

 

Kurt is known for a bad temper and losing control of it.

 

Nobody saw the Ray Rice video till TMZ came out with it. That was after he ADMITTED that he knocked her out and the NFL suspended him for a whole 2 games.

 

NEVER HIT A WOMAN!!!



So you have proof he hit her??? You should really get that evidence into the right people!!! 

Did you ever think when he said she got what she was asking for that he meant Kurts demise? Like she has said over and over again she is out to do, before any of this abuse came up????

you and many others on here are exactly what is wrong with this country. guilty till proven innocent! 

move to China if you like that way of doing things!!



cubicdollars
February 28, 2015 at 09:17:40 AM
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She should be nominated for an Academy Award for this performance... http://youtu.be/glmMVIMNevw


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com



cubicdollars
February 28, 2015 at 09:47:58 AM
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Gotta say, I am pulling for Busch.

Buckcherry - Crazy Bit*h... http://youtu.be/UJ6pLKlU-8Q


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


egras
February 28, 2015 at 03:12:56 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on February 28 2015 at 09:47:58 AM

Gotta say, I am pulling for Busch.

Buckcherry - Crazy Bit*h... http://youtu.be/UJ6pLKlU-8Q



You know cubic--I'm kinda with you.  Kurt's a dick, but I agree with you.  



buzz rightrear
February 28, 2015 at 05:56:10 PM
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Posted By: oswald on February 24 2015 at 11:15:35 PM

So you are saying you would take the testimony of some bat shit crazy man? Look at Kurt's past. Just the past that has happened in nascar that we know about. 

 

There was a huge out cry about what Ray Rice did before the video from i side the elevator came out.

 

I guess I was raised different from you guys. I do not believe in EVER hitting a woman. I do not think a woman asks for being hit just because she shows up at an ex boyfriends house/camper or what ever.



there was video of rice dragging his unconscious girl friend out of the elevator way before there was vid from the inside.

 

that makes viseo evidence right from the beginning

the vid from the inside was just confirmation of and support for what everyone knew happened from the out side video.


to indy and beyond!!


buzz rightrear
February 28, 2015 at 06:02:05 PM
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Posted By: Speedbump on February 25 2015 at 12:56:02 PM

Like others, I do not like Kurt Busch (or his brother) one bit....this might even be a bit of karma for his treatment of Dr Punch, the police officer in Phoenix and all the other he crapped on.   If guilty,  I hope he loses everything and has to live in a double-wide outside of Barstow flipping burgers for a living.   (hell, I really hope that is what happens to him anyways,  just not as a result of fales accusations from a vengeful ex) 

 

What I am saying about the way this was handled is that IF this lady was worried about her safety, she could have gone about it in much better ways.    She seems to be forcing this into the media and targeting his livelihood, capitalizing on the Ray Rice and other recent incidents in attempt for public sympathy and revenge instead of solution.  

 

Yes,  based on her actions, I doubt her story and question her motives.  



um...wasn't kurt eventually honored in phoenix and the police and local government apologized to him? the arresting officer antagonized kurt and kurt was never shown to be over the legal limit for alcohol.


to indy and beyond!!

buzz rightrear
February 28, 2015 at 06:08:11 PM
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Posted By: StanM on February 26 2015 at 05:41:36 PM

I'm with you, whenever these things come up I refuse to walk in lock step with my racing fan blinders on.  I prefer to let things unfold and reserve judgement for the facts to come out.  I've been married over 40 years, raised three daughters and have four granddaughters and try to set an example in the family by treating the women in my life with respect. 

Why is it so hard to understand that a NASCAR driver with a long standing reputation of conflicts IN PUBLIC could conceivably batter a woman?  I have a feeling that there is confidential evidence that was presented to the judge that made this ruling.  NASCAR took an unprecedented move in this case so there must be more to it.

Disclaimer:  Could I be wrong about NASCAR?  I've been wrong many times before, just ask my wife.  In the meantime I don't have an interest in Kurt Bush's racing team so aside from not seeing him for five minutes before I fall asleep in the recliner it will have no effect on me either way.  wink



the possibilty of someone doing what kurt is accused of is far from proof. we don't punish people for something we don't know they did now, because of some past actions. also, where has it been shown that kurt hit anyone in the past? being argumantitive and disrespectful isnt battery.


to indy and beyond!!

buzz rightrear
February 28, 2015 at 06:40:19 PM
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some people have asked why the girl has no pics of any marks on her.

i understand she did show some pics, but the thing is, how does anyone know for sure the marks were inflicted by kurt?

there is too much questionable circustances to just blindly believe what this girl says as the honest truth.

i am not saying i believe everything kurt says. for one thing, kurt is stupid for not just calling security the minute she entered his motor home. she says she had stuff in there she needed to get. BS, she was just trying to catch him with someone. if she needed to get her things she could have come during normal hrs or sent someone at normal hrs to get them. she didn't have to enter his motor home at night unannounced.

right there is enough to void her credibility. if she was so afraid of him, wht did she go in unannounced in the middle of the night all alone? she was looking for trouble. that is what vindictive women do. maybe kurt did screw up and push her into the wall after she instigated an argument and taunted him. c'mon you all know she taunted him and aggravated the situation. why else was she there? it would not be the first time a woman antagonised a man and then attacked him and made him instinctively defend himself, then ran out crying that he hurt her.

it would not be the first time a woman got pushed or shoved and then went out and made marks on herself and blamed the man for it.

i don't know that she did that, but i don't know what kurt did and neither do any of you.


to indy and beyond!!


ILSPRINTS
March 01, 2015 at 09:06:44 AM
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the girl went on national TV and said Nascar was informed of other women's abuse in the past and did nothing about it. You would think Nascar would have responded similar to what the NFL did. She was upset that she could no longer be in the theater atmosphere that is Nascar and that is why all this is happening.


I tell it like I see it.

cubicdollars
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Posted By: egras on February 28 2015 at 03:12:56 PM

You know cubic--I'm kinda with you.  Kurt's a dick, but I agree with you.  



Yeah, spoiled brat. But something is up when she doesn't just go to the cops right away and get anything on record. She waits a couple of months to press charges instead. Most people's first impression is, why in the hell did she wait so long? Smells fishy. Hopefully everything sorts itself out in court either way like the Stewart case did. First impression there was, why did he light up the tires instead of just hitting the brakes and save a lot of trouble? Due process settled things in the end.


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


ILSPRINTS
March 03, 2015 at 09:38:31 AM
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From the nap at website.


Suspended driver Kurt Busch has agreed to NASCAR's terms and conditions to pursue reinstatement last Friday, starting the process toward regaining his competition license.

NASCAR issued an indefinite suspension Feb. 20, barring Busch from all NASCAR-related activity after a Delaware family court commissioner found a "preponderance of the evidence" indicated that Busch "committed an act of domestic violence" against former girlfriend Patricia Driscoll last September at Dover International Speedway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

NASCAR spokesman David Higdon said Monday morning that the sanctioning body consulted with an outside expert to personalize the terms and conditions that Busch will need to meet, adding that there is not a target date in place for his potential return to Sprint Cup Series competition.

"No timetable whatsoever. That's what the experts tell us," Higdon said. "There are certain things that need to happen within a certain period of time, but there's no timetable in terms of a return perspective. Secondly, before we put this in place when we worked with the experts on it, they were very adamant about saying the most important thing if you pursue any type of action in this area that you need to have a return-back program. That was why this was atop of our list as soon as the penalty was assessed, our next course of action was to clearly get in front of him the terms and conditions for the reinstatement of the license."


Higdon said that Busch's path toward possible reinstatement is separate from the terms of the report filed by Kent County (Del.) Commissioner David Jones, who required that Busch "be evaluated by a licensed mental health professional" and to complete any prescribed plan of treatment.

"It's very much tailored to each individual case," Higdon said of NASCAR's requirements, drawing comparisons to programs it has previously created for substance abuse and diversity sensitivity issues. "Ultimately, we've tried to get among the best in the class to execute the program, and we let them do that externally and then let them come back to us with their recommendations."

The former Sprint Cup Series champion made two appeals Feb. 21, the day after the penalty was announced and the day before the season-opening Daytona 500, but both challenges to the ruling were denied. In both hearings, the two infractions in the NASCAR Rule Book -- Section 12.1.a: Actions detrimental to stock car racing; and 12.8: Behavioral penalty -- were upheld, first by a three-person National Motorsports Appeals Panel and lastly by National Motorsports Final Appeals Officer Bryan Moss.

Regan Smith, last year's runner-up in the NASCAR XFINITY Series, has filled in for Busch in the first two Sprint Cup events of the season as driver of the Stewart-Haas Racing No. 41 Chevrolet. He will again pilot the car this weekend at Las Vegas Motor Speedway


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wishbone
March 03, 2015 at 04:07:28 PM
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Did anyone else see how empty the stands where at atlanta?......who cares about nascar... go to IRL Kurt..

 



Speedbump
March 03, 2015 at 04:33:52 PM
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I will give NASCAR and Atlanta a break on Sunday's attendance.  It was 41 degrees and raining most of the morning.....a miserable day to be outside for 3+ hours, especially in Atlanta.  

But yes,  go to IndyCar KuBu....they desperately need ANY media attention they can get right now, whether it be good or bad.   





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