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Topic: World of Outlaws going to a softer RR tire this year
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February 14, 2015 at
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Posted By: vkracer51 on February 14 2015 at 07:52:47 AM
Siping a tire makes it last longer. Proven fact. Grooving gives you more grip from a tire that has already been used. If you would like truly schooled on this youre welcome to come over and I will show you the difference. Or you can continue to blow smoke about a topic you apparently know nothing about. A non siped tire on a dirt modified (700 hp motors, and a 60 compound) last two nights tops if we are lucky. A siped tire lasts us 4 to 6 nights minumum. It disapates the heat and keeps from melting the rubber as quickly.
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Sprint cars are relatively locked down compared to other forms of racing without a wing. 9 times out of 10 they aren't siping sprint car tires to keep them from blistering anymore, they are locked down enough they aren't spinning that much, plus the current factory Hoosier tread pattern is pretty sufficient. They are doing it for the opposite reason of what you are saying, they are trying to get them to heat up quicker and grab harder. And all the extra edges may grab more, but they also wear quicker. Instead of just wearing out the front edge of the block during the race and then being able to grind a tire back to life; a cut up tire wears all 5 or 6 edges down to the bottom of the sipe quicker and then it doesn't wear as fast again. Cutting up a hard $200 sprint car tire so it acts like a soft tire is a waste of time and money, and is counter to what they are trying to do with a tire rule in the first place.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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February 14, 2015 at
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when you stop and think about it, tires are one of the cheapest performance parts on the car.
with all the titanium and $500+ a pop shocks, a freaking tire is nothing. tires are throw away parts that need to wear in order to work.
it is amazing how much people will spend on some things, then complain about buying a tire.
to indy and beyond!!
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February 15, 2015 at
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on February 14 2015 at 09:44:42 PM
when you stop and think about it, tires are one of the cheapest performance parts on the car.
with all the titanium and $500+ a pop shocks, a freaking tire is nothing. tires are throw away parts that need to wear in order to work.
it is amazing how much people will spend on some things, then complain about buying a tire.
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That doesn't even make sense. If the tire lasted as long as shocks or titanium parts , I'd agree. Maybe. lmao
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February 15, 2015 at
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Posted By: tenter on February 15 2015 at 01:03:05 AM
That doesn't even make sense. If the tire lasted as long as shocks or titanium parts , I'd agree. Maybe. lmao
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eliminate titainium and you have more money to spend on tires. you don't need titainium to race with, but you need tires.
all i am saying is if you are worried about the cost of things, then ajust your spending on things.
tires are like fuel...
to indy and beyond!!
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February 15, 2015 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on February 14 2015 at 06:33:56 PM
Sprint cars are relatively locked down compared to other forms of racing without a wing. 9 times out of 10 they aren't siping sprint car tires to keep them from blistering anymore, they are locked down enough they aren't spinning that much, plus the current factory Hoosier tread pattern is pretty sufficient. They are doing it for the opposite reason of what you are saying, they are trying to get them to heat up quicker and grab harder. And all the extra edges may grab more, but they also wear quicker. Instead of just wearing out the front edge of the block during the race and then being able to grind a tire back to life; a cut up tire wears all 5 or 6 edges down to the bottom of the sipe quicker and then it doesn't wear as fast again. Cutting up a hard $200 sprint car tire so it acts like a soft tire is a waste of time and money, and is counter to what they are trying to do with a tire rule in the first place.
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VK is exactly correct.
Cubic you have no idea. Which car do you own or work on.
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February 15, 2015 at
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February 16, 2015 at
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Posted By: raeccrash778 on February 15 2015 at 07:32:02 PM
VK is exactly correct.
Cubic you have no idea. Which car do you own or work on.
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Heard the same thing for 20 years. Weight rule will cost tons of money yet it has saved a bunch and lives too. Engine rules don't work even for our 358s. They are about dead in a year. Everyone should be on open 20" wide $300 tires because it is cheaper, and slicing them up makes them last twice as long. Slice up the tires on your tow rig if you have more money than brains then. No one buys the BS after they are eventually forced to save money for a few years. And it's all been done before by the major series for safety and competition reasons and a lot of the low buck series to save money...
National Dirt Racing Assoc announces that the teams will not be allowed to cut, groove, or sipe the tires.
http://www.onedirt.com/news/ndra-announces-spec-tire-rules-for-2013-season/
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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February 15, 2015 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on February 15 2015 at 08:08:23 PM
Heard the same thing for 20 years. Weight rule will cost tons of money yet it has saved a bunch and lives too. Engine rules don't work even for our 358s. They are about dead in a year. Everyone should be on open 20" wide $300 tires because it is cheaper, and slicing them up makes them last twice as long. Slice up the tires on your tow rig if you have more money than brains then. No one buys the BS after they are eventually forced to save money for a few years. And it's all been done before by the major series for safety and competition reasons and a lot of the low buck series to save money...
National Dirt Racing Assoc announces that the teams will not be allowed to cut, groove, or sipe the tires.
http://www.onedirt.com/news/ndra-announces-spec-tire-rules-for-2013-season/
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If you haven't already, you should exchange phone numbers with winning drive that way you guys can sit on the phone bitching for hours like 2 menopausal women about all the things you guys hate about 410 sprint cars, the WoO and life in general. Or better yet, the two of you can take all of your “ideas" and “knowledge" and start a series. Can you imagine how perfect it would be? You could have all of your cost saving measures implemented and save the teams all that money and winning drive could run the PR side of things and the concessions and implement all of his ideas to make things better for us fans. Just imagine how much of a success that would be!!!! Car counts in the 70's, crowds of 20,000 plus pouring into the grandstands each week, winners coming from 24th starting position on a nightly basis....wow. Two brilliant minds like yours and his could change everything.
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February 16, 2015 at
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Posted By: fiXXXer on February 15 2015 at 09:32:54 PM
If you haven't already, you should exchange phone numbers with winning drive that way you guys can sit on the phone bitching for hours like 2 menopausal women about all the things you guys hate about 410 sprint cars, the WoO and life in general. Or better yet, the two of you can take all of your “ideas" and “knowledge" and start a series. Can you imagine how perfect it would be? You could have all of your cost saving measures implemented and save the teams all that money and winning drive could run the PR side of things and the concessions and implement all of his ideas to make things better for us fans. Just imagine how much of a success that would be!!!! Car counts in the 70's, crowds of 20,000 plus pouring into the grandstands each week, winners coming from 24th starting position on a nightly basis....wow. Two brilliant minds like yours and his could change everything.
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Don't sell yourself short. Your "new deal" seems to be equally effective. A chicken in every pot and free chinese race cars for everyone.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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February 16, 2015 at
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I Tried out the new H-R15 at Bubba Raceway in hot laps the first night as did many others after hot laps the tires looked like we just ran a 40 lap feature hopefully these tires will work better on the dirt tracks of the north because they didn't fair to well on the sandy gumbo dirt of Florida but honestly I doubt it. I do think it will be a good qualifying tire but that's about all it will be good for it will not last all night ( I sure do miss the old days when we was allowed to run an American Racer 33 or 38 and run at least 2 nights and most of the time 3 nights on a single tire. I personally was in victory lane numerous times with these tires bolted on .That's how you save money on tire bills). And the comments about grooving.When you have a dusty track you groove with a #1or #2 blade this creates a channel for the dusty gritty stuff on the surface a way out from under the tire. And if you don't agree with my comments that's ok that's your choice I have many years of experience to back it up and if you want go to the Hoosier web site they have a page on grooving and sipping.
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February 16, 2015 at
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February 16, 2015 at
05:49:47 PM by cubicdollars
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Posted By: TiremanT on February 16 2015 at 05:08:14 PM
I Tried out the new H-R15 at Bubba Raceway in hot laps the first night as did many others after hot laps the tires looked like we just ran a 40 lap feature hopefully these tires will work better on the dirt tracks of the north because they didn't fair to well on the sandy gumbo dirt of Florida but honestly I doubt it. I do think it will be a good qualifying tire but that's about all it will be good for it will not last all night ( I sure do miss the old days when we was allowed to run an American Racer 33 or 38 and run at least 2 nights and most of the time 3 nights on a single tire. I personally was in victory lane numerous times with these tires bolted on .That's how you save money on tire bills). And the comments about grooving.When you have a dusty track you groove with a #1or #2 blade this creates a channel for the dusty gritty stuff on the surface a way out from under the tire. And if you don't agree with my comments that's ok that's your choice I have many years of experience to back it up and if you want go to the Hoosier web site they have a page on grooving and sipping.
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Thanks for the input. Sound softer than imagined. Hopefully the local tracks quash it.
The Outlaw race teams have been asking for a softer tire for a couple of years and the local tracks kept stopping it from happening up until this year.
American Racer would have been nice. They didn't have enough money to pull it off last time.
http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/10/world_of_outlaws_deal_with_ame.html
Hoosier can easily build something that fits the bill if mandated to however.
I've been grooving and siping tires my whole life also. I know how they help the tire grab. That is why series are starting to ban it. It goes against the whole reason for a tire rule in the first place. To try to unhook the cars and so the tires live longer to save money. Like you mentioned you used to get a couple of nights out of a tire. Teams $30,000 tires bills could be cut in half. Slicing up a brand new tire whether people have always done it or not is defeating the whole purpose. The only reason it is done is because it is faster and everyone else does it so you are forced into it to compete. It is a very easy rule to police. Plus it would save a lot of time not having to cut up tires all day.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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