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August 11, 2012 at
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Not sure how fair it was, but racing was terrific last nite! Folks who left early missed a great World Challenge. Gravel.Henderson duel in the A was killa, heats & B-Mains good too. Yeehaw!
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August 11, 2012 at
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The only way Friday night in this format works fairly is if no one past the top 16 is guaranteed a Saturday starting spot from Wednesday and Thursday qualifying. With Blaney coming from dead last to a spot in the A Main, drivers will start dropping out in droves on the qulaifying nights if they aren't in the first few rows of the B or higher. You'll end up with heats, a 12 car B Main, and an A Main on quaifying nights. Everyone else will save the equipment for another try on Friday. Teams may even start packing up for Friday if they can't qualify 20 or higher on Wednesday and Thursday.
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August 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: NKC on August 11 2012 at 02:35:35 PM
The only way Friday night in this format works fairly is if no one past the top 16 is guaranteed a Saturday starting spot from Wednesday and Thursday qualifying. With Blaney coming from dead last to a spot in the A Main, drivers will start dropping out in droves on the qulaifying nights if they aren't in the first few rows of the B or higher. You'll end up with heats, a 12 car B Main, and an A Main on quaifying nights. Everyone else will save the equipment for another try on Friday. Teams may even start packing up for Friday if they can't qualify 20 or higher on Wednesday and Thursday.
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Agreed. I thought about this earlier.
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August 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on August 11 2012 at 11:16:35 AM
Total invert penalizes those who do well on Wed/Thurs.
I liked the new format, and the racing was better last night than either qualifying night. Huge improvement, the only thing I'd change is getting them to hurry things along. The reason people left after the A Main was because it was midnight. They missed a good World Challenge.
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No, because he said it goes by passing points.
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August 11, 2012 at
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Another thing to mention is the competition level. Those high points guys had to beat those who scored lower. Now top 16 in points are big names. Don't have to race them, plus the next few cars in line. So that eliminates about 10-12 of the fastest cars per night. Much easier to get a faster qualifying time & to get in the A for the faster cars that night. Then BAM, into the A. If Tim Shaffer would've won the A Thursday, he still wouldn't have made it into the show. Not fair at all.
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August 12, 2012 at
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I too am not totally sold on this new 'Friday' format. I too forsee anyone who feels the should have timed better and gets stuck in a stacked heat race packing it in for the night. Basically takes some of the "luck" factor out and issues you a mulligan. The Friday talent pool is much more diluted than the wed/thurs. I also can say that Friday has needed a change for many years. Toby stepped up and made a change. I just hope he does in fact make some tweaks to make it eve better.
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August 12, 2012 at
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Why not just break the field up into three qualifying nights?
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August 12, 2012 at
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I don't think the car count is high enuff for 3 nights. And I don't really see it growing much in the near future. 33 cars a night and 24 car a-mains leaves to much confusion and room for issues with tie breakers and possibly having 6 guys with same point total.
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August 12, 2012 at
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I think you might be on to something with your previous format Hawker. Your previous nights points has to factor in somehow. And you can pretty well guarantee nobody will ever pull a Lasoski and give up a for sure B start again! But any outlaw not in the top 10 times of their night will pull a Blaney.
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August 12, 2012 at
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Good Lord, Friday night was the best racing of the 4 nights. And it paid out a ton of money to guys who aren't big money teams. It's a great format and it's here to stay.
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August 12, 2012 at
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I liked Fri - but tonite was epic.
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August 12, 2012 at
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I don't think i agree with the new format is here to stay. And I most certainly do not agree that Friday was the beat night of the week. That was one of the better finales in the modern era. I'm still not a fan of the fuel stop, but it was an amazing feature non the less!
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August 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: Hose_60 on August 12 2012 at 12:27:37 AM
I don't think the car count is high enuff for 3 nights. And I don't really see it growing much in the near future. 33 cars a night and 24 car a-mains leaves to much confusion and room for issues with tie breakers and possibly having 6 guys with same point total.
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It works for the Chili Bowl...
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August 12, 2012 at
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But they could get 133 cars a night. Unless they started a "Charity" for the underfunded I don't forsee the car count getting much higher like the old days.
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August 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: sprintcarfanatic on August 12 2012 at 08:54:57 AM
But they could get 133 cars a night. Unless they started a "Charity" for the underfunded I don't forsee the car count getting much higher like the old days.
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The Chili Bowl wasn't always 5 nights.....They've created on charity (new format), why not start another??? j/k 
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August 12, 2012 at
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How about the qualifying nights lock in the top 16 for the A main on Saturday and then the top 12 for each of the "b", "c" and "d".
Then Friday night allows the teams outside the top 16 in the A and top 12 in the b,c and d to try to advance.
If a car in the top 12 in the B main for example wanted to try for one of the 4 a main starts he would race friday and no matter what the outcome would either earn an A main (17th to 20th) start on Saturday or still take his top 12 in the B for saturday.
This way the first two nights qualifiers have earned their positions, but still allows a mulligan without it coming at the expense of those that earned their position on the qualifying nights.
A car locked in the D main after the first 2 nights qualifying can still earn a "C" (13th to 24th), "B" (13th to 24th) or "A"(17th to 20th) main start with a good Friday finish.
A car that earned a 13th - 20th place B main start must race friday as his 13th to 20th place is not secured (only the top 12 are secured in the D,C and B and top 16 in the A).
Yes a car can suck in qualifying and still start the A on Saturday (17th to 20th). But in reality this is not at the expense of any qualifying nights cars as those positions are earned on Friday and all cars outside the top 16 in the A main have that same opportunity,
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August 12, 2012 at
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in the "old days" a lot of the car count was made up of cars that really didn't need to be there. The 360s were allowed to run and many of us did. Look at the D and E mains from the late 80s and early 90s, you'll see a lot of the 360 guys. Once the 360 Nats came along, you had to have a 410 to run the big Nationals.
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August 12, 2012 at
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I was thinking. Take point totals from wednesday and thursday, and award points for those 27th to last in points. 200 for first (27th), 198 for second (28th)... and so on. Then award the same amount of points for qualifying and heats as they award on the preliminary nights, and add them to their new qualifying total. Thus after the heats they would have similar point totals as after preliminary nights, with qualifying night points rank taking place of the feature in the points total. The top 20 in points after the heats would lock into the friday feature, and line up straight from points. The rest would run the bmain starting based on points.
Thus like a preliminary night, a maximum total of 500 points could be earned:
200 for being top in points from preliminary night out of the cars running friday + 200 for quicktime + 100 for winning heat = 500. A perfect 500 or otherwise being first in points would get you the pole position in fridays A-Main.
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August 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on August 12 2012 at 11:48:39 AM
I was thinking. Take point totals from wednesday and thursday, and award points for those 27th to last in points. 200 for first (27th), 198 for second (28th)... and so on. Then award the same amount of points for qualifying and heats as they award on the preliminary nights, and add them to their new qualifying total. Thus after the heats they would have similar point totals as after preliminary nights, with qualifying night points rank taking place of the feature in the points total. The top 20 in points after the heats would lock into the friday feature, and line up straight from points. The rest would run the bmain starting based on points.
Thus like a preliminary night, a maximum total of 500 points could be earned:
200 for being top in points from preliminary night out of the cars running friday + 200 for quicktime + 100 for winning heat = 500. A perfect 500 or otherwise being first in points would get you the pole position in fridays A-Main.
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Actually you'd probably lock in 18 because there are three b-mains. Even Dale Blaney would have had a shot here, because on points he would have started middle of the b, and if he transferred to the a, he could have got up to the front.
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August 12, 2012 at
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Everyone who says the Friday format is not fair for what ever reason, please tell me what in life IS FAIR?
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