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There should be enough around to get started.

Stan Meissner

Thanks Ken.

Hey Stan, one question: Are the rules still compatible with MSA, or did they vote in pricier rules?

The trouble with rules meetings is, that a few guys want the class to be cheap enough for them, but too expensive for anyone who makes a dollar a week less than they do.

These rules were not "voted on". They were presented to those who attended the meeting . The rules are a product of over a year of study and input from area engine builders. Again you can build a competitive engine for around 8500.00. If you identify yourself I will forward you your own copy of the rules .

Joe Kouba

Hey butchknouse37, I'm just hosting this stuff on my board and don't worry about rules. I hookup the camper, fill the cooler, charge the camera batteries and go have fun on the weekends. If a race happens to break out it's a bonus. You'll have to ask one of the decision makers. If you'll cool your jets for a few more weeks they'll have a website and I'll be out of the equation. Then I can go to another forum and argue with the Late Model and Modified fans about whatever their latest gripe is.

Stan Meissner

I am a sprint car fan from SW Minnesota and does it really matter who I am? And yes I do really believe my questions are valid, I can't believe I was the only one thinking this. All I did was ask some valid questions about the UMSS and posted some facts about travel, car & parts costs, and other tracks that offer sprint car racing in Minnesota. No I am not looking for a fight! At least I don't come on here and call people names. Yes you are right I don't know much about the purse other than what I read on here, this was just my opinion about the posted purse.  I  guess I will just wait till the web sight is up and running to get my questions answered.    

zweber, at least I don't come on here and call people names!!! I have no agenda other than asking a few valid questions. So tell me why you didn't sign your name at the end of your post? Maybe you should learn grammer before posting.

I am not playing the bashing game ! Call me 612- 751-4646 if you really are interested! I will be happy to discuss anything with anyone of you. Sprint car racing needs fan support and it needs eveyone to be positive about it.

Joe Kouba

If money ("to win" or otherwise) is not an issue - go to Arlington! Support the dedicated and established facilities who have hung in there thru thick and thin. Build them up and blossom out of it if it matures.

Money is an issue or these tight pockets would be on the road (a little further) and not sitting in the garage.

This sounds (at this point) like a 6 or maybe a 12 pack (if you spin a few guys away from other venues in the area) show to start with. I know your hearts are big but do you have a plan and pocket book to support those big hearts?

The main reason I responded was to remind this new promoting group to do there best in the PR department. Going on here and dropping the f-bomb or whatever is not going to gain you many friends and I am surprised Stan lets it go. It was not all that long ago he would not allow anyone to say the "Jack son" word on this site.

I support whatever you come up with and I will be in the pits or stands whenever possible. Don't forget the common crew guy or fan in the stands. Without us you could just as well get together in a feild out by Joe's somewhere every Sat. and pound your cars into the ground.

I know some of the guys putting this together well enough to trust there intent. Correct me if I am wrong but the payout is what it is to start with and this group would love to put more up on the line and will if they can. Plain, simple and a nice way to put it.

Good luck, TJ

Did I miss some expletives? I'm not letting anything go on purpuse, I just didn't see it.

Every winter it's something. If it ain't a track changing sanction it's a rules change, different tire brand or some other crisis. By imagined I mean some folks get way too riled up about things that are out of their control. Like I said in another post somewhere, coming home every night and having to sit here going through every post isn't at the top of my to-do list. If I missed one chalk it up to me getting lazy and tell me where it is so I can edit it. Joe already knows that he's not off limits to my censorship but who's gonna' watch me if I get all #%&^ about this?

Stan Meissner

Why dont you guy go and race at arlington?

Arlington needs to be supported, however their payoff and payback is not what some of the teams need to survive. Racing at Kopella Speedway and Cedar Lake Speedway with a bit better payoff is what the majority of the cars around here wanted. Most ASCS legal car do not run at Arlington, some however do . The UMSS is offering a choice for those closer to Kopella & Cedar Lake . I hope this answered your question.

Somewhere in one of these threads I explained that to everyone but I'll say it again for the sake of repetition.

If we look at the results for Arlington Sprints it lists hometowns as places like Mankato, Redwood Falls, St. Peter, Gaylord, etc. I think the closest driver to the Twin Cities is Jenni Ericksen who is listed as being from Burnsville. If we look at the map Burnsville is half way between Arlington and Cedar Lake, the rest of the drivers that race at Arlington are "local" to the track. The only other driver I can think of that raced at Arlington that doesn't live southwest of the Cities is Tony Hargrave who lives in North Branch. I haven't seen Tony race since the IMCA show at Kasson so I don't know if he finished the season. When they ran Wissota Sprints at Cedar Lake in the 90's the Hargraves used to race there so if Tony races I'd suspect he'll run CLS.

It's that way at every track, we've got a quite a few Late Models and Modifieds up here that only run their weekly track. I'm sure that's true of the Sprint Car tracks as well.

Other than that I don't see Arlington being impacted at all by the UMSS because that's their weekly track. In addition to what Joe said about the payoff, approximately $300 to win compared to the UMSS's purse that's going to pay around $700 to the winner, similar to what tracks up here pay for an A Mod purse. Also, as far as I know the IMCA still has a head claimer rule so there's always that possibility for a newcomer. Another factor to consider, the big half mile is going to be a lot harder on motors and equipment than a 1/4 or 3/8. I'm not a motor guy but I stand in the infield taking pictures of Sprints at all size tracks and the difference is obvious. The motors work harder and the cars get torn up more when they go over on the big tracks.

People should pick up the latest issue of Flat Out where Justin Zoch interviewed Ron Bernhagen about the UMSS concept.

Stan Meissner

My actual name IS Butch Knouse. There's too much anonymous stuff on these boars already. I am just a race fan livng in South Dakota, and I'm just curious if there's any difference between MSA and UMSS. When UMSS was announced, it was said that it was based on MSA rules. I just want to know if that's still the case.

If you still wish to send me a copy of the rules, my address is

Butch Knouse

Box 142

Cavour, SD 57324

fastasu: being from sw mn means you have GREAT tracks locally to watch a sprint car show 3-4 times a week. tell us what the problem is with having something like that for those of us in western wi or the cities. the umss guys are working hard to grow the sport how about you? if you were offended by my post or grammer i guess that's the way it is. you are what you are.

john zweber

612/743-7316

Butch, just wanted to mention that the MSA they're referring to is the limited 360 club from eastern Wisconsin. Not to be confused with the MSS which was trying to go head to head with Wissota competing for the same cars and drivers back in 1999. Chuck can correct me if I'm wrong but the MSS was an open 360 like they run at Jackson.

Stan Meissner

Correct Stan,,, the only difference between the MSS and the Wissota and Jackson cars was that we ran a rear tire minimum durometer rule instead of requiring the purchase of a spec tire.. The battle between MSS and Wissota was not necessarily a bad thing,,, It did get sprint car races into a couple of new facilities that hadn't had them for a few years or ever,,,, Fairmont, Cresco, IA and Arcadia, WI to name a few,,, Cresco went on to have considerable success for years with the IRA shows,, Arcadia even had a World of Outlaw show....

Brian

I am fully aware of the differences between MSS & MSA. I can even tell you who won each and every feature in both clubs, as well as all of the champions.

If that is the case then you're doin' a h*lluva lot better than I am. I can take a victory lane photo of the winners and by the time I drive home and get online I have to look at my photos to remember who won the Features.

Stan Meissner

Butch:

I think you were asking about the rule differences between MSA and UMSS...

If so (and I am no expert on either rule package), MSA only allows the one engine package where UMSS has two engine package rules.

UMSS engine package #2 is very close to the MSA engine package. Whereas UMSS engine package #1 is simlar to ASCS, Jackson, WISSOTA, and MSS rules BUT required the 1 7/8 injector stack sleeves.

MSA used to also have a few rules around wheels, chassis,, tires etc that were different than the other 360 groups. I'm not sure if that is still the case. The best source for MSA rules would be through their club reps: http://www.msasprints.com/

Jimmy