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This will be the sprint car version of "Castrol FloRacing Night in America", which is a late model series that started last year.  It offers big money and does not run head-to-head with the WoO Late Model or Lucas Oil Late Model series.  

Kyle is wanting to do something similar for sprint cars teams.

This is s very valid point. Perhaps they'll have an invert but a lot less Allstars and Outlaws made the Jokers starting grid than I expected.

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Winning one of the is like winning 2 to 5 Outlaws shows and 4 to 12 outlaws show.

I bet it would only take 6 premium outlaws to say they don't care about the rule to make the WRG loeer their iron fist.

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You don't work with WRG. Mark my words, this may get ugly. Yea kinser went off on that USA series, WoO lost its biggest draw, did they care ? O he'll no, and USA died and the 11 car was back.

This is really the key point in this entire deal.  The money in streaming is huge.  We are talking millions of dollars, and the more content that they have, the more eyeballs they add to the product.  You will notice how the productions of the top programing now has ads from brand name sponsors, who are paying very good money to be in on this platform.

The interesting part is how little the tracks are getting, and how that will play out.  Weekly tracks are basically dead, because the casual fan is staying home on Saturday night watching the Kings Royal instead of going out to I 90, or Lincoln etc.  Now Lincoln will get a check from Flo, so they are alright.  But places like I90 Speedway are in trouble if they can't get a portion of the streaming pie.  

Even bigger is what happens when the "big shows" don't sell out.  For example, Jackson Nationals has fans in town only picking 1 night to attend and watching from home the rest of the nights.  That can't make guys like Tod Quring thrilled and is going to hurt the revenue model of tracks.  The Flo deal for the midweek is around 30k/show to the track, so they have the top 3 spots covered.  But they still need a lot of butts in seats and the pits to cover the entire show.

Exactly.  That was my first thought as well.  The mid week Late Model series on Flo is not competing with any other races and is offering another opportunity to race for good money on off nights.  What's not to like?

The USA series and NSL were competing directly against the Outlaws.  i think in view of the two drivers involved and their popularity the Outlaws would project a negative image if they don't come on board.  The only potential negative is that it cuts out travel days if it requires back tracking to make weekend WoO and/or All Star events.  From a purely selfish standpoint this means more races to watch on week nights during the summer.  I will take it at face value and consider it a positive development for the sport and my own viewing pleasure.  

Stan Meissner

Based on the way WRG put the screws to Sides a few years ago, no way they let this happen without a fight.  You are exactly right - this is a fight over streaming and money.

I saw a post on another forum that said there were 73 (!) LM races that were scheduled to pay $20k or more in 2022. And there were 20 (!) $50k or more to win shows in 2022. I think there are 8 sprint car shows that pay $50k or more to win. 

LMs have always had more shows that paid big money, but before streaming you could reasonably point out sprints had way better point funds, Knoxville paid $150k etc and argue that they were more equal than they appeared. After streaming that argument became idiotic. 

There are not more LM fans than sprint car fans, the difference is the LM guys don't get out of bed for less than $15k to win and demand a bigger share of the profits and will reward promoters for paying more. 

I have to laugh that just this past Tuesday, the premiere sprint car series packed Attica (which just added seats) and got a standard purse plus $5k for their troubles. A secondary LM series raced at Stuart (a ridiculously small track in Iowa that couldn't seat more than 2k) and paid $20k to win and $2k to start. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see who's getting the shaft. 

I love WoO and its product, but if this puts pressure on them to improve their purses/overall quality, I'm all for it. 

100% agree. 

Most of the Sprint fans apparently aren't paying attention to Late Model racing purses and their mid week series on Floracing.  What Larson & Sweet are doing is the Sprint Car equivalent, simply providing more big paying races without scheduling against any other events.  Just my uninformed guess but I don't think the Outlaws throwing a monkey wrench in the mix and not allowing their drivers to participate is not going to sit well with fans or race teams.  That is the only negative I would potentially expect to come of this.  I'd hate to be known as the series that screwed up an opportunity for their drivers to run some big races on their days off. 

For me as a fan this simply gives me more televised racing options during the week.  That's as far as my give an F goes, looking out for #1 since 1951 and it has served me well so far.  Racing has morphed from an expensive obsession into another televised sport right about the time I retired and got my ass stuck to the recliner.

Stan Meissner

I'm betting SMOKE is behind the whole thing honestly,  Remember them fifty k to win races he held WITH NO FANS?

I could also see a dozen teams just hitting money shows,  Screw the points and being on the road 250 days a year  Twelve of these,  The nationals, royal, Husets quarter mill to win  Grove national open, Maybe Silver cup.   That's right up Macri and Marks lines and they could stil race close to home when it's not happening.

Sweet in the presser said he wasn't runing the Putnamville Race and I don't know that any other high point oulaws are either.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! 

This will only devalue and dilute the series already in place. It's cringe-worthy. 

i read that the woo official who caused issues at cedar lake is family with the woo higher ups.  have they taken action at all for jumping the crew member?

i ask because that can't sit well with the teams.  if this kid is family...you wonder if he's in line to move up when he probably should be fired for what he did.  add that incident to larson being upset with the woo late models at bristol and it makes sense that competition is starting to mount.  i'm sure tony wouldn't mind adding some big names to his all star series too.

if ucla and usc can leave the pac 12...no league or series is safe.

The mid week show the WoO drivers were allegedly complaining about paid $6000 to win. 4 times that might make them stop complaining and they are not obligated to race so have no grounds to complain. 

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There is no way  that the WoO gives any of there drivers the OK to race in this series.

Well if the drivers and teams want to they can give up the perks of the platinum status to run the new series. But losing the guaranteed tow money would be a tough hit if diesel stays at current prices.

Plus don't teams take a hit in year end point money if not a platinum member?

Plus the WoO controls a lot of tracks, look what they did to Lernerville,  so now it will be pick High Line and lose all Outlaw races.

As I asked if Larson and Sweet wanted to really help the racers get more money just do a special 12 races series within the Outlaws.  But they want all the money and no sharing.  I don't blame them I am  a  capitalist,  but I wish a journalist with some stones would ask them isn't this just a way for you to to make money.

No way will the WoO support this, what in it for them?  They are already the top  of  the sprint car mountain. 

Pretty sure the NSL was not competing against the WOO, but was more of a local series for the upper Midwest.

NST is what he was thinking of.

Also, what a bunch of people are missing is that this isn't Larson/Sweet alone - this is Larson/Sweet with FLO backing, which makes it a whole different ballgame. If I were up top at DRG, I'd really think twice about picking this fight.

And Smoke

Some are already calling it he World of Inlaws,  SInce Kyles wife is Brad's sister.