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June 16, 2021 at
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Posted By: longtimefan on June 16 2021 at 12:28:32 PM
You Guys do know that there are 7 tracks involved but there are 10 races? Most of the tracks mentioned have tried and can not handle the crowd size and purse that the three everyone is commplaining about having two. Also Lincoln and Port both give up a Sat. night of 410's for Speedweek. So you want them to do that and maybe get nothing in return especially if one is rained out. Last year I think all races got in but that seldom happens. Also The Grove's first one did not count as speedweek then they decided to up the purse for the night and start speedweek a day earlier. Do you think the teams bitch as much about the increased purse that night as a couple of dozen fans do? I have been to races in several states and other than the premier events I am pretty sure most fans don't understand the crowd size at most Pa. Speedweeek races. I am pretty sure it will be successful again this year.
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Look you make good points but Bedford and Path Valley absolutely can handle a 5k to win race and a big crowd. Trailway....maybe not. All I'm saying is we in PA have it made. Our area is literally Taylor made for Speedweek and we don't take advantage of it. It makes it watered down imo when you have 6 races at our big 3. You wanna give extra support to the tracks that run 410s weekly that's awesome. I'm all for it. It can be done without giving extra shows to these tracks. But a Speedweek should be at different race tracks.
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Posted By: Early Cuyler on June 16 2021 at 10:04:52 AM
who gives a shit if they support 410's. If you want to introduce new fans and also get these guys out of there comfort zone you go to new tracks! It's that simple, but no we will only race 90% at these tracks....bs. Hell even California has 5 day speedweek this year again and NOT one repeat track and the TRAVEL is definitely longer than Pennsylvania(the way you talk it's like Pennsylvania is the size of Texas or California lol). So stop with the bs about travel. It will never hold the candle like Ohio does!
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Ok, as I explained earlier - what tracks do you bring in to replace the doubled up dates? Very curious since I named the issues with just about all the tracks in Pennsylvnia they could go to within reason.
Path had Fred Rahmer doing it for them and the rumor is there are lingering reasons why they cannot run 410's there. Also the current owner can in no way handle something like Speedweek on his own.
The only track that would make any sense to add is Bridgeport but that is not Pennsylvania (although Hagerstown is not Pennsylvania but thet were there when Speedweek needed them in the beginning so it is a bit different scenario).
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Posted By: turn4guy on June 16 2021 at 12:40:26 PM
Look you make good points but Bedford and Path Valley absolutely can handle a 5k to win race and a big crowd. Trailway....maybe not. All I'm saying is we in PA have it made. Our area is literally Taylor made for Speedweek and we don't take advantage of it. It makes it watered down imo when you have 6 races at our big 3. You wanna give extra support to the tracks that run 410s weekly that's awesome. I'm all for it. It can be done without giving extra shows to these tracks. But a Speedweek should be at different race tracks.
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Do any Speedweek races pay less than $7,000 to win?
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June 16, 2021 at
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Posted By: Curious12 on June 15 2021 at 07:46:00 PM
Totally agree. This time at least they added BAPS. There is enough tracks to give other PA track a chance to make Money. Also having Hagerstown in PA speedweek is a joke as well. Bedford, Big Diamond,BAPS, Path Valley,. Ohio gets more cars as it is Allstar based. Seems like consistency with drivers. PA drivers pick and choose which ones they want to do and no sanction cars for a crowd draw. Very few do the entire week. Also have fans contributing to teams with donations but not sure we have anything like that.
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I'm with you on that. Dump Hagerstown & add Path Valley or Big Diamond
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June 16, 2021 at
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Posted By: saphead on June 16 2021 at 06:05:51 AM
All these other poor imitations of THE Ohio Speedweek need to just give it up. Stop embarassing yourselves.
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Wasn't Pa. first? If so, its not an imitation
If not, congratulations. Ohio SW is damn good...
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June 16, 2021 at
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Posted By: straight shooter on June 16 2021 at 12:19:28 PM
Why do all these clowns have a hard on against Hagerstown? It is 1 of the nicest 1/2 miles & it comes with the ability to pass. If the argument is because it is located in Md than you must whine if your yolk is broken in sunny side ups! Another thing is there are 7 days in a week, wh the need for 3 more dates. Car counts only suffer more after speedweek because of lack of budgets.
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Here are my reasons:
1) I've been there once, totally boring, slow, huggy bottom race. I think it might have been Keith Kaufman's last win
2) My boyhood dirt track hero, Smokey Stover of Staunton, Va. was seriously injured there in the mid 60s. Pretty much career ending... bad vibes for me
3) Extra driving, not especially scenic, unlike Path or Big Diamond
4) No hardon, just don't like the track
5) Clown? maybe....
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June 16, 2021 at
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I don't know much about the finances & politics involved, but for me, there's a bigger issue with Pa. Speedweek, & there's nothing that can be done about it: No more Hodnett, Fast Freddy, Monteith or Stevie Smith
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Posted By: bgtexpress on June 16 2021 at 12:20:33 PM
You knew the track was going to be bad when the drivers started smacking the wall in warm ups & time trials. Funny how folks will try to defend the track.....the track was just bad. Probably the first dirt race all year where Larson struggled to move up FOUR SPOTS in the feature. Other than Cole Duncan (a slick track specialist) no one moved forward....Hopefully Waynesfield is better tonight!
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Kyle is great, but to say it's "the first dirt race all year where Larson struggled to move up FOUR SPOTS in the feature" I just scanned the WoO results page and he has won 1 of 7 races and within those in 5 of them he went from 4th to 20th; 5th to 5th; 8th to 4th (sound familiar); 8th to 6th; and 2nd to 1st in the one he won of the 7, I didn't find the other 2, but definately not the first dirt race all year he didn't move up FOUR SPOTS, I guess those other tracks musta been bad too? Also the 4 dirt races at Eldora I watched last week I didn't think the track was that bad and didn't see folks blaming the track on Larson going 0 for 4 at the Dream. Paul McMahon moved up 12 spots as well as Duncan 10 or so (as you mentioned). Was fun watching the Aussie handle the tough conditions and go +6 as well.
Anyway, Larson is a great driver, just wanted to give some factual information to the mis-information of first time struggling to pass FOUR cars thing.
Hoping Waynsefield will be in better condition as well, but there will be ALOT of laps on the track tonight with the normal 40+ cars Ohio Speedweek gets and they are running 305/360 challenge tonight as well, probly another 26-30 cars. Luckily everyone of those cars will race the same conditions.
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Posted By: turn4guy on June 15 2021 at 04:23:06 PM
To the people who organize it and make the schedule...do better.. Ohio Speedweek shits all over us. You have zero validation when it comes to scheduling 6 races at 3 tracks. Our "big 3" excuse...not valid. Logistical reasons....not valid. Whatever dumbass reasons you think you have....not valid. We have the perfect tracks to have absolutely the best sprint car Speedweek on the planet and you fuck it up because of your "we want to support the tracks that run 410s weekly excuse. " Turn it over to someone else.
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Every race was PACKED last yr. Hagerstown was so packed that the health dept shut them down the next day. If you don't like it , STAY HOME!! PROBLEM SOLVED
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Posted By: turn4guy on June 15 2021 at 04:23:06 PM
To the people who organize it and make the schedule...do better.. Ohio Speedweek shits all over us. You have zero validation when it comes to scheduling 6 races at 3 tracks. Our "big 3" excuse...not valid. Logistical reasons....not valid. Whatever dumbass reasons you think you have....not valid. We have the perfect tracks to have absolutely the best sprint car Speedweek on the planet and you fuck it up because of your "we want to support the tracks that run 410s weekly excuse. " Turn it over to someone else.
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Would you go to all of them anyhow? Doubtful.
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Posted By: microsprint6 on June 16 2021 at 09:31:18 AM
Interesting, another topic that people want to complain about something because they just want to complain. Lets look at the alternatives:
1. Path Valley - I would say a majority of drivers do not like how small it is (tearing up equipment wise). Fred Rahmer had the deal to run it and the rumor had it that he some sort of clause that a 410 race couldn't be held for three years after the contract was over (again only speculation). That being said, without someone like Fred running it, I do not think the current owner could run something of this scale by themselves.
2. Bedford - Probably a bit too far for a lot of guys and the cost of travel by taking the Turnpike doesn't help anyone.
3. Trailways - Never going to happen.
4. Baps - On the schedule for the first time in a long time. Interesting that they were left off the Eastern Storm schedule. Maybe the wingless guys got tired of not being able to see in a dust storm at Baps every year. Again only speculation, I have no idea why they are not there
6. Grandview - Traditionally has one night and still does, hopefully the surface is better then the Eastern Storm race.
7. Selingsgrove - Still on the schedule - not usually well supported when the 410's race there.
8. Hagerstown - Probably the one place that doesn't belong but has been on the schedule since the beginning. However if you drop Hagerstown, where do replace it based on the above issues?
Williams Grove, Licoln and Port Royal put the most time, effort and money into the 410 division and should be rewarded by doing so. You may not like on of these tracks but the bottom line is they support them week in and week out, so saying they shouldn't have two dates during speedweek isn't a logical arguement, only a personal conflict with one or all of those tracks.
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Well said.
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Posted By: revjimk on June 16 2021 at 02:21:12 PM
Wasn't Pa. first? If so, its not an imitation
If not, congratulations. Ohio SW is damn good...
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Ohio was first. Every other speedweek is a copy. As the car counts indicate the first four races (and no doubt tonight as Waynesfield as well), Ohio's SW will always be king.
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Posted By: revjimk on June 16 2021 at 02:26:56 PM
Here are my reasons:
1) I've been there once, totally boring, slow, huggy bottom race. I think it might have been Keith Kaufman's last win
2) My boyhood dirt track hero, Smokey Stover of Staunton, Va. was seriously injured there in the mid 60s. Pretty much career ending... bad vibes for me
3) Extra driving, not especially scenic, unlike Path or Big Diamond
4) No hardon, just don't like the track
5) Clown? maybe....
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Not scenic? The drive from Port to Hagerstown on route 75 is probably the most scenic drive of the whole week !
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Posted By: longtimefan on June 16 2021 at 02:15:46 PM
Do any Speedweek races pay less than $7,000 to win?
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All of them except the last one.
At least Pa has started paying more. The final 2021 OH Speedweek show which is a pretty nice payday of $17,554 still pays less than the final Speedweek show in 1983 did.
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Posted By: microsprint6 on June 16 2021 at 09:31:18 AM
Interesting, another topic that people want to complain about something because they just want to complain. Lets look at the alternatives:
1. Path Valley - I would say a majority of drivers do not like how small it is (tearing up equipment wise). Fred Rahmer had the deal to run it and the rumor had it that he some sort of clause that a 410 race couldn't be held for three years after the contract was over (again only speculation). That being said, without someone like Fred running it, I do not think the current owner could run something of this scale by themselves.
2. Bedford - Probably a bit too far for a lot of guys and the cost of travel by taking the Turnpike doesn't help anyone.
3. Trailways - Never going to happen.
4. Baps - On the schedule for the first time in a long time. Interesting that they were left off the Eastern Storm schedule. Maybe the wingless guys got tired of not being able to see in a dust storm at Baps every year. Again only speculation, I have no idea why they are not there
6. Grandview - Traditionally has one night and still does, hopefully the surface is better then the Eastern Storm race.
7. Selingsgrove - Still on the schedule - not usually well supported when the 410's race there.
8. Hagerstown - Probably the one place that doesn't belong but has been on the schedule since the beginning. However if you drop Hagerstown, where do replace it based on the above issues?
Williams Grove, Licoln and Port Royal put the most time, effort and money into the 410 division and should be rewarded by doing so. You may not like on of these tracks but the bottom line is they support them week in and week out, so saying they shouldn't have two dates during speedweek isn't a logical arguement, only a personal conflict with one or all of those tracks.
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OK there's 8 tracks without even mentioning the big 3. You didn't mention Big Diamond which used to be one of the best tracks on the SW schedule. The new track at Bloomsburg would also have plenty of seating. Bedford sucks and is a longer drive than Hagerstown or Grandview. Path was well supported and interesting to have more bullrings. Last I checked a week was still 7 days. Why did we need to make it 2 weeks just to accomadate the 410 tracks? You don't see the 410 tracks in OH getting greedy and demanding 2 races. It's true that Port, Lincoln and the Grove support the division because they are the tracks lucky enough to still have them. 410 sprints are by far the most popular fan draw in PA. Any track in the area would kill to have them as a weekly division. Unfortunately, there's not enough 410 teams to support another weekly track. Those 3 tracks can have a big 410 race just about any time they want. Nothing personal, the Grove sucks but I love Port and Lincoln. It is good that Baps is back on the schedule.
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Posted By: revjimk on June 15 2021 at 06:01:31 PM
Good question.... who's in charge?
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Last I knew it was Brian Householder.
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Posted By: larsonfan on June 16 2021 at 04:22:26 PM
Ohio was first. Every other speedweek is a copy. As the car counts indicate the first four races (and no doubt tonight as Waynesfield as well), Ohio's SW will always be king.
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Total car count is the only thing OH SW is king of. Some of these facilities, well, this one literally is in a corn field. The PA tracks are far superior to attend and watch sprint car racing. And to the one that said PA Speed"week" should consist of 7 races. Well the great Oh SW lasts 9 days.
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on June 16 2021 at 06:58:01 PM
Last I knew it was Brian Householder.
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Wow I did not know that. Brian's a great guy and plays a huge part in PA sprint car racing. I just wish they'd try it once. Different track every night....
Sat- Lincoln
Sun- Path Valley
Mon- Bedford
Tuesday- Grandview
Wed- Hagerstown
Thursday- Baps
Fri- Williams Grove
Sat- Port
Sunday-Selinsgrove
If Path or Bedford don't suit then have an off day in there.
I guarantee this schedule would be well received by teams and fans. And every track would be packed to the gills with fans. What we have now is watered down bullshit.
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Posted By: dsc1600 on June 16 2021 at 05:06:26 PM
All of them except the last one.
At least Pa has started paying more. The final 2021 OH Speedweek show which is a pretty nice payday of $17,554 still pays less than the final Speedweek show in 1983 did.
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I think you need to do some research.
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Posted By: Centralpa410 on June 16 2021 at 07:36:12 PM
Total car count is the only thing OH SW is king of. Some of these facilities, well, this one literally is in a corn field. The PA tracks are far superior to attend and watch sprint car racing. And to the one that said PA Speed"week" should consist of 7 races. Well the great Oh SW lasts 9 days.
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Get off your high horse. Waynesfield is an awesome track. Been there many times. You? Get so tired of you guys thinking you are God's gift to sprintcar racing. At least we don't have kiss three of our tracks asses and give them 2 Speedweek races because they "support sprint car racing". Nothing more than a money grab. Sorry, you ain't all that brother.
I've been on this board for 8 years. What a shame what it's become. Bunch of punks.
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