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FYI --I saw that they took some of the banking out by laying a very thick layer of dirt on the bottom of track.

Knoxville last August was invite only.  I believe it was also Outlaw sanctioned.  There are a lot of advantages:  1.  control the quality of the cars.  2.  Know the exact amount of cars in attendance    3.  Format can be setup far in advance.   4.  Control the track surface. 

  I see absolutely no disadvantage to an invite only show at an event like this.  

So what would this look like at Martinsville instead?

Nobody asked me but here's my two cents. 
 

1. I really don't care if it's invite only. They have their reasons .

2.  One of the reasons they cited for the invite only deal is safety. It confirms my feeling of dread for this event that I've had since it's re-inception. I felt the first run at Bristol was way too fast for sprint cars and I still feel the same way. Someone above said take a look at Syracuse the last couple years of its existence on the schedule and I second that motion. Just too fast. None of today's racers need to prove to me they have big balls, I already know each and every one of em do. I'm a fan of each and every one of em staying alive and strapping in the next race. I can't honestly say I don't have some sense of dread going in. I'm glad they took some of the banking out. 
3.  Aside from the sheer speed last time there...those races were boring as heck follow the leader affairs to my recollection aside from a few instances. After these races, it'll only be a matter of time before the freight train and win from the front row comments roll on social media. The faster the track, the less chance of a good race. 
 

just my opinions of course. Pretty sure I'll get lambasted for theM. It is the Hoseheads board after all. 

Could be but if someone is willing to give it a try let them. They should know their capabilities and the risks associated and make their own decision. It's the precedent we are starting to set. Pretty soon there will be a charter system to get in the WoO. Nothing happens overnight but always in baby steps.

Syracuse was a place that a couple of the drivers got with Ted Johnson and said enough is enough. As motors got better and the cars got lighter the outcome was not going to be good. It was a time when Johnson had every track in the country wanting his outlaws in for a race. 

As for Bristol, it's a track owner looking to put on a circus show. Everyone understands the place will be fast, even with the banking taken out. Drivers also realize at the speeds they'll be running that there is a little more give and take.  The one thing you never did at Syracuse was crowd a guy exiting turn 2 and everyone understood why.  It will be the same at Bristol hopefully.

     Good point, but the local guys who get themselves in trouble also tend to take out other cars. How many times have you read where one of the front running cars got taken out after tangling with a backmarker? I'm all for the underdog, but the idea of a Cinderella story, where the local hotshot comes from the back and passes the whole WoO field for the upset win just doesn't happen. I'd say they are making this rule for this race purely for safety reasons.

      A seperate issue is the idea that the WoO is heading down the road to become NASCAR. Well... they've been trying to become that for about 43 years, and they never will get there. If the series can generate enough money that they can field enough full-time, traveling teams (32? 48? ?) who race exclusively with the WoO, then they can make every race an invite only. I doubt that will happen in the next 43 years either. Until then, they will have to depend on the local racers to fill out the field. 9 times out of 10, the guy in the winner's circle will be a WoO driver due to more experience, better equipment and more financial backing.

ha! i knew it was closer to 20. almost said 40, i'm no good at guess remembering. was it a good show? it looked god awful fast on tv. and the wrecks got bad real fast with how narrow it is there. it's funny how certain tracks take a bit of time for even talented drivers to get comfortable. i'm with the rest of you, invite shows set a bad prescident but this is definately one track it is needed at. it will be fun to see young sheldon (and a few others that weren't around the last time) on this surface. 

Agreed, added to that there will be 40 NY modifieds there and you'll have a good show. 

The World of Outlaws is suposed to be a traveling group of racers that travel around and take locals money.

It's draws the local drivers and fans out to see them challange eachother.

In the end the Outlaw usally wins the money and rides off to next track going state to state, but when they don't it's really cool to see.

Take that away from the WOO and you loose the meaning of the group.

Now l would also add that this Bristol race is really about nascar and racing on dirt again.

They are taking the oppertunity to run everything that runs on dirt while it's covered I get it.

any $$$ that can be brought in while covered helps pay for clean up.

10ft at the Bottom & 1 foot at the top..

What locals run at Bristol?

The complaining to this is hilarious. It's not like there's only going to be 20 guys invited, anybody that's bringing interest or a shot to win will be there, just look at the fields at Knoxville and Eldora last year, will be similar. Then when you add in the big blocks, it makes even more sense so you don't have marathon nights.

NY Mods ,yeah I won't even think about going now. I won't go to the Charlotte Finals either since they added them.

Can you imagine how many UMP modifieds woudl have shown up to run Bristol?   125?  150?   perhaps more.   Putting limits on the fields only makes sense for all of the reasons mentioned.   

Have you seen the entry list to event they are having the week before the NASCAR deal? 6 days, over 1000 entries over god knows how many divisions. No thanks. 

I was thinking the same.  There is not local group to steal the money from.  Also, the WoO was formed in 1978----over 40 years ago.  Any business or organization that doesn't change their mindset in 40 years will fail.

Spot on. I would say when the invite list comes out there probably will not be any driver/team out there that you can say had a legitimate shot of winning the race in the first place, and maybe 3 that would have had a legitimate change of even making a feature. The Knoxville & Eldora races last year were perfectly fine and then the big blocks make it even better that there is a cap. And like your previous comment, there will be no local sprint car driver around Bristol that is left out so some of this is people complaining just for the sake of finding something to complain about.

"this Bristol race is really about nascar and racing on dirt again."

never said Bristol was about locals .

If woo hands out 4 golden tickets, then Swindell, Shepard, Schaffer, and Steve Kinser should get them.  They were the top four finishers last time on Bristol.  They could use them for any driver they want.