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June 22, 2020 at
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Posted By: StanM on June 21 2020 at 08:02:26 AM
I second egras' point. Versatility is the most impressive aspect of Larson's success. There have been some great winged 410 drivers but most have struggled in other disciplines. Then there is my point about the cars being such a different beast than those of the 60's, 70's, 80's, etc. These cars today are like lightning in a bottle with the tracks barely able to contain them. That is a much different kind of racing than my childhood heroes of the early 60's were accustomed to. It's an apples and oranges kind of comparison and makes it tough to compare drivers from the different eras.
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I agree. It's a matter of opinion because of the vast differences in the types of cars, and the number of quality cars, capable of winning, that show up at the track on any given night.
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June 22, 2020 at
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Posted By: alum.427 on June 20 2020 at 06:36:32 PM
Winged sprint car. Kinser, is and always will be, the king. RW made DS, period, end of story.
Non-wing. Nobody gives this guy the accolades . Jack Hewitt, guy was born in the wrong decade, he would have fought with Foyt, the Unser brothers and Andretti.
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And Karl Kinser didn't make Steve? Ridiculous argument.
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June 22, 2020 at
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I don't think you can put Schatz ahead of Steve.
Putting aside Steve has more wins and crown jewels, you look at one track, Haubstadt. Schatz continues to struggle there, Kinser has 8 wins there. I think there is a thing about versatility even within the same division, can you win no matter what the track? Some guys are gassers, some are more patient, Steve could be both.
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June 22, 2020 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on June 22 2020 at 09:21:49 AM
And Karl Kinser didn't make Steve? Ridiculous argument.
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Absolutely! Also kinda funny how suddenly Mark Kinser was the man to beat when Steve left and he started driving for his dada.
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June 23, 2020 at
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Posted By: BMcLain21 on June 18 2020 at 12:20:16 AM
Where does Kyle right now rank among the greatest dirt track racers of all time?
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The question is greatest dirt track racers. Not greatest dirt track career. He has already displayed his talent on numerous tracks, in numerous series and numerous classes. Don't need to watch him for another 10 years to understand his great talent. His talent puts him on the Mount Rushmore of greatest dirt track racers.
If you change the question to careers or even hall of fame worthy, then yes, his tenure maters. However, it does not mater on how great of a racer he is. That is not going to change, this year, next year or ten years from now.
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June 23, 2020 at
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Posted By: StanM on June 20 2020 at 07:14:57 PM
Schatz' and Kinder will need a few more Midget, non-wing and NASCAR wins before they can compare to Larson. I'm by no means a Larson cheerleader, never actually seen him race except in TV, but he is on a different level more comparable to Stewart or Foyt. My point when they s subject comes up is the vast difference in the speed, handling,.even the stature of the drivers. I saw the non-wing cageless card of the sixties all the way up to today and I'll stick by my story that the cars we have today are insane compared to what they raced years ago. Drivers back in the day were 6' talk with big arms and crew cuts, often war veterans. Today the preferred driver is flyweight, has lightning reflexes, and has to be able to communicate well with sponsors and fans. The sport has changed a lot.
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Agreed. Those guys were winged specialists (pretty much, not 100%)
Its a shame you haven't seen Kyle live. I've seen him plenty of times, & he usually wins....except his first attempt at Pa. Speedweek, driving somebody else's car, not even competitive)
I'm a year older than you & when this COVID thing is finally over we both need to hit the road!
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June 23, 2020 at
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Slight aside: Kyle quit racing wingless sprints cause his NASCAR team made him stop after serious wreck
Now that he's a "free agent" will he try some more USAC sprint events?
Hope so...
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June 23, 2020 at
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Posted By: revjimk on June 23 2020 at 12:49:16 PM
Slight aside: Kyle quit racing wingless sprints cause his NASCAR team made him stop after serious wreck
Now that he's a "free agent" will he try some more USAC sprint events?
Hope so...
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I dont think he will do it unless he has no other racing going on and he wants to race. He wants a WOO Championship before the age of 40, he has stated this to Gannassi quite a few times.
If he has an urge to go wingless his MIDET RACING and is taking care of that. I think his Sprint Car racing is going to be all Winged for the mere fact to chase that WOO Title I would think he wants to keep to the wings on his Sprint Car. Just so he doesnt lose that feel of it. Muscle memory is a real thing and Muscle Memory confusion is a real thng. Besides that if he wanted a Bigger Car than the Midget to go wingless he could always jump in a USAC Dirt Champ Car. He can drive that too and I would bet that he is really good with it
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June 24, 2020 at
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Posted By: NoDoors on June 23 2020 at 05:05:21 PM
I dont think he will do it unless he has no other racing going on and he wants to race. He wants a WOO Championship before the age of 40, he has stated this to Gannassi quite a few times.
If he has an urge to go wingless his MIDET RACING and is taking care of that. I think his Sprint Car racing is going to be all Winged for the mere fact to chase that WOO Title I would think he wants to keep to the wings on his Sprint Car. Just so he doesnt lose that feel of it. Muscle memory is a real thing and Muscle Memory confusion is a real thng. Besides that if he wanted a Bigger Car than the Midget to go wingless he could always jump in a USAC Dirt Champ Car. He can drive that too and I would bet that he is really good with it
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What you say about muscle memory is true for most people, but doesn't seem to apply to Kyle.
Look at his 4 Crown sweep!
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June 24, 2020 at
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My opinion is the same as yours. I was at Knoxville in June to see his sweep. I've been to Knoxville for the Nationals 17 straight years and I've been to the June WoO show 6 or 7 times. I've seen plenty of drivers diamond the corner before at Knoxville. However, there was something different about the line Kyle was running Friday night that I had never seen there before. (I'm sure it's been done, but I've never witnessed it while sitting in corner 1 from that perspective) For about 5 or 6 laps, he followed Don Don with about equal lap times running both the high line and the low line. Then, he came into 1 and it looked like he was going to spin out. He almost looked like he was going to come to a stop, took a very hard left, and gained about 3 car lengths. Next lap, same thing. It only took him a few laps and he was sliding Schatz. He even showed Schatz the line but no one else tried it. Schatz later said he didn't think that entry/exit would last long. It did. Not one other car attempted to run that line. It looked like a wreck every single time he hit the middle of 1 and 2.
I love watching him run a car on the ragged edge and rarely lose control. That is why I agree with your assessment 100%. But, as I said earlier, the greatest of all time is merely an opinion.
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June 24, 2020 at
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Posted By: revjimk on June 24 2020 at 12:48:03 PM
What you say about muscle memory is true for most people, but doesn't seem to apply to Kyle.
Look at his 4 Crown sweep!
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Also agree. A great example was Nationals in.....? 2013, 2014? Somewhere in there. Kyle has a terrible Wednesday night. He heads to the Glen to run the Xfinity car. He qualifies the Xfinity car Friday, hops on a plane, and shows up at Knoxville to run his qualifying time in a car that he did not get to hot lap. I saw him run across the pits, jump in the car, and get pushed off. He went out 2nd from last out of 70+ cars and set 4th quick. He runs away with the feature, hops back on a plane, runs the Xfinity race, and flies back to Knoxville to runs up to around 6th place I believe in the A-main.
If he can go from a stock car on a road course to a winged 410 at Knoxville, he can go any winged to wingless car he wants without the need for muscle memory. It takes him about 2 or 3 laps to settle in and instantly find more speed.
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