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Topic: How about Knoxville giving Donny tons of time on caution.
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August 12, 2019 at
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Posted By: Sonicman1 on August 12 2019 at 03:49:37 PM
False.
Rules are in place so everybody is treated the same. #15 is just another driver and car when the green flag drops. He has to adhere to the same rules. If he was to get special treatment, then why not have Clark wave that never used blue and yellow move over flag so DS can get around some lapped traffic easier too?
GTFO with special treatment and its for the "show". I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the fans there wouldnt care less if DS didnt come out of the B. That A feature is great regardless of who is in it.....always.
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Not even sure that Donny lapped anyone anyway....
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Posted By: tenter on August 12 2019 at 02:26:52 PM
Key word = "GUARANTEED". They were guaranteed 2 minutes. Meaning it would be at least that long. He doesn't say "Maximum".
I don't mind bending the rules a bit that early in the race so everyone at least gets a fair shot if it's something like packed mud.
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Correct. I've never heard "maximum" used before---good observation. That's why I didn't consider it a big deal. It's definitely not the first time I've seen what looked like longer than 2 minutes.
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Posted By: zeakemedia on August 12 2019 at 02:12:13 PM
When you start to question the integrity and character of people like this person did expect comments like mine. I stand by calling some of you dipshits because it fits perfectly.
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While I agree, it's not supposed to be a WoO event, JG did announce before the feature every night, when they were 4 wide, that you're watching the "greatest show on dirt, the World of Outlaw NOS Energy Drink Sprint Cars" and they had a World of Outlaws banner in the middle of the turn on the wall......... so has it changed from not being Outlaw sanctioned? Is it Outlaw sanctioned but not Outlaw format? Or what's the deal with that?
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August 12, 2019 at
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Sanctioned by WoO but since it's not the normal WoO format , they are just awarded show-up points.
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August 12, 2019 at
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Posted By: tenter on August 12 2019 at 04:25:45 PM
Sanctioned by WoO but since it's not the normal WoO format , they are just awarded show-up points.
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The Knoxville Nationals is not sanctioned by WoO or anyone else. It is a Knoxville Raceway event and WoO provides support just as they do for the Kings Royal.
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August 12, 2019 at
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Wrong Blake--Both the Knoxville Nationals and Kings Royal are sanctioned World of Outlaws NOS Energy Sprint Car Series events. The tracks pay a sanction fee and the series officials (and announcer) are working. The only reason there are show up points only awarded is because the format is not the "standard" series format.
Because the Nationals uses their own format, the MINIMUM time in the work area is two LAPS of the pace truck from the time the car reaches the work area. If thos two laps start/end with the pace truck in turns 1&2, the car in the work area still has until the caution lights go out when the field is shown the one to go signal at the start/finish line the next time by--which is what happend in the Saturday feature. Also keep in mind that it took longer than usual to get Donny's car TO the work area before the pace truck laps started.
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Posted By: Littlegame#1 on August 11 2019 at 10:46:12 PM
Did everyone notice that they gave Donny like 10 mins during caution. What the hell happened to the 2 minute rule. Can tell you if it was Sammy or anyone else they would have not waited for them. Favorites go figure!!
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I didnt notice that they gave him ten minutes but if they did and it was a conspiracy they screwed up because he needed more time to dial it in for a win.
Are you sure there wasn't something else going on like cleaning up debris or something like that? Most years Schatz doesn't need any help at Knoxville but he was a tick off this year.
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Posted By: Johnny Gibson on August 12 2019 at 05:54:25 PM
Wrong Blake--Both the Knoxville Nationals and Kings Royal are sanctioned World of Outlaws NOS Energy Sprint Car Series events. The tracks pay a sanction fee and the series officials (and announcer) are working. The only reason there are show up points only awarded is because the format is not the "standard" series format.
Because the Nationals uses their own format, the MINIMUM time in the work area is two LAPS of the pace truck from the time the car reaches the work area. If thos two laps start/end with the pace truck in turns 1&2, the car in the work area still has until the caution lights go out when the field is shown the one to go signal at the start/finish line the next time by--which is what happend in the Saturday feature. Also keep in mind that it took longer than usual to get Donny's car TO the work area before the pace truck laps started.
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Wish they would scrap the WoO sanction and put that money back in the purse. Knoxville crew is capable of running the show without any help.
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August 12, 2019 at
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It wasn't ten minutes
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August 12, 2019 at
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The Dipshits and experts have chimed in. Close it down
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August 12, 2019 at
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I don't think that it was the length of time that Donny was in the work area that was the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that the announcer announced he was not going to make it and the yellow flag went out with him still in the pits. Almost as soon as the yellow went out, the work was complete and a push truck went behing him. Then the yellow came back on and he was allowed to join the race. I was sitting directly accoss from the work area and had a great view of all of it.
It was funny that the Danny haters started complaining as soon as it happened. They were stating the same conspiracy theories that we now have here.
I agree with others. Similiar things have happend for other drivers over the years, and some drivers have been left to sit over the years. I think some of it goes back to the racing Karma. You win 10 Knoxville Nationals, you get some good Karma.
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Posted By: zeakemedia on August 12 2019 at 04:47:51 PM
The Knoxville Nationals is not sanctioned by WoO or anyone else. It is a Knoxville Raceway event and WoO provides support just as they do for the Kings Royal.
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"Wrong Blake--Both the Knoxville Nationals and Kings Royal are sanctioned World of Outlaws NOS Energy Sprint Car Series events. The tracks pay a sanction fee and the series officials (and announcer) are working. The only reason there are show up points only awarded is because the format is not the "standard" series format. " - Johhny Gibson
How does "dipshit" crusted crow taste Blake?
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Posted By: Johnny Gibson on August 12 2019 at 05:54:25 PM
Wrong Blake--Both the Knoxville Nationals and Kings Royal are sanctioned World of Outlaws NOS Energy Sprint Car Series events. The tracks pay a sanction fee and the series officials (and announcer) are working. The only reason there are show up points only awarded is because the format is not the "standard" series format.
Because the Nationals uses their own format, the MINIMUM time in the work area is two LAPS of the pace truck from the time the car reaches the work area. If thos two laps start/end with the pace truck in turns 1&2, the car in the work area still has until the caution lights go out when the field is shown the one to go signal at the start/finish line the next time by--which is what happend in the Saturday feature. Also keep in mind that it took longer than usual to get Donny's car TO the work area before the pace truck laps started.
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Johnny----I could have sworn you have always said 2 minutes. Is it 2 laps here and 2 minutes at other events?
A question with the "minimum"--Since it is a minimum, does the flagman make a decision based on how close a car looks to being ready to roll off? For instance, if the car is still up on jacks with parts missing and the minimum is met, the field is sent back to green. Whereas, if the car is back on the ground and the push truck pulls into position, they may give it one more lap? Since it's a minimum and not a maximum, that would be a logical explanation.
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Posted By: puckzx6 on August 13 2019 at 06:13:00 AM
"Wrong Blake--Both the Knoxville Nationals and Kings Royal are sanctioned World of Outlaws NOS Energy Sprint Car Series events. The tracks pay a sanction fee and the series officials (and announcer) are working. The only reason there are show up points only awarded is because the format is not the "standard" series format. " - Johhny Gibson
How does "dipshit" crusted crow taste Blake?
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So I missed out on a sanction fee being paid. Both races have their own rules and procedures.
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August 13, 2019 at
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Posted By: egras on August 13 2019 at 08:22:39 AM
Johnny----I could have sworn you have always said 2 minutes. Is it 2 laps here and 2 minutes at other events?
A question with the "minimum"--Since it is a minimum, does the flagman make a decision based on how close a car looks to being ready to roll off? For instance, if the car is still up on jacks with parts missing and the minimum is met, the field is sent back to green. Whereas, if the car is back on the ground and the push truck pulls into position, they may give it one more lap? Since it's a minimum and not a maximum, that would be a logical explanation.
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World of Outlaw rules is a minimum of 2 minutes in the work area if it is before halfway.
The Knoxville Nationals is run under Knoxville Raceway rules and Knoxville's weekly rule is 2 laps in the work area. Tyipcally the pace truck driver is the one that is counting the laps, I have been in the multiple times and as he passes the flagstand he will radio "1 lap down," once the lineup is set and the minimum is met, the lights typically go off that time by the flagstand, but if the lineup is not complte, a driver may get extra time in the work area, but as soon as the lineup is set, they go back green.
I believe it is the officials in the work area that are the ones making the calls on whether or not a car is repaired and safe to return to the racing surface. I remember watching many outlaw races where a driver arrives int he work area and they don't get the 2 minutes do to too much damage to repair.
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What would clear this up is why the caution lights came back on when the field was set. Being in turn 1 I could see DS was still on pit lane when the field was set and in turn one. The lights went out for a few seconds then came back on. Sitting right in front of them, saw it clear as day. So something extended the caution giving them time time finish repairs.
Someoone saw debri? was it really only one lap since he hit the work area and the relized it after lights out? Was the line up not right? was a poush truck still on the track? It is not unusual to see the caution lights come back on for various reasons we just do not know this reason.I cant beleive we were playing favorites right after the Doug Clark video about making it fair for everyone.
Donny did make it up to 9th. Thats not too bad a run.Throw in a few yellows I think he could have been right up there. Top 5 at least.
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Posted By: Points on August 13 2019 at 10:38:47 PM
What would clear this up is why the caution lights came back on when the field was set. Being in turn 1 I could see DS was still on pit lane when the field was set and in turn one. The lights went out for a few seconds then came back on. Sitting right in front of them, saw it clear as day. So something extended the caution giving them time time finish repairs.
Someoone saw debri? was it really only one lap since he hit the work area and the relized it after lights out? Was the line up not right? was a poush truck still on the track? It is not unusual to see the caution lights come back on for various reasons we just do not know this reason.I cant beleive we were playing favorites right after the Doug Clark video about making it fair for everyone.
Donny did make it up to 9th. Thats not too bad a run.Throw in a few yellows I think he could have been right up there. Top 5 at least.
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Good question. The sprintcarunlimited.com guys asked one of the officials why Donny got an extra lap. The official didn't know.
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Posted By: onporch on August 14 2019 at 05:57:38 AM
Good question. The sprintcarunlimited.com guys asked one of the officials why Donny got an extra lap. The official didn't know.
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Maybe the same reason Sammy was allowed to hotlap on Thurs to test something that apparently was an issue Wed night. The only response I saw was #pastchampionfavor.
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Ok... I just watched the actual replay in the Dirtvision Vault...
3:52:07 - the moment the car stopped in the work area and people actually touched the car
3:54:28 - the moment when the push truck began moving the car
Total elapsed time... 2 minutes 21 seconds
From the stands to me it seemed longer than that, but those are the actual timestamps.
One possible explanation could be the timestamps were doctored by the New World Order or even the Clintons.
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Now we are onto something. It could also have been that someone in the tower bumped the yellow switch by accident, very unlikely but possible. They may have turned it off prematurely, less unlikely but still possible. Some official may have said, ok we are good, click off, no wait, click on, I just want to be sure.
I have raced. I have flagged I have run a local club. An extra lap of yellow can make things a whole lot better in the stats room than trying to fix a mistake from rushing.
On the track if I was setting the pace, or even "accidentally not understanding where to restart", I could basically knock guys out I didn't want to come back and almost guarantee my buddy had time to get small things fixed.
I love conspiracies but I dont think there is one here. I will stick with my opinion that it is good business to have him on the track but an extra 21 seconds is just lucky lap position of the pace truck. Even with the 2 lap rule, it is a minimum if more is required to get the line up right or a message delivered.
To the original.poster, I fully understand that real time seems exaggerated at times like this and maybe the slow trip to the pits made it even more exaggerated.
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