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     I'd think that someone needs to go back and analyze every red flag during a WoO event and note which cars got picked up first. Then a comparison could be made about the  proportions of times a WoO racer was picked up before a local racer. Then, a painstaking analysis should be done to see which group is getting favoritism. Following that, a dozen more ambiguous rules could be written to make sure everything was exactly fair.....and someone would still think someone was getting the short end of the stick and be unhappy about it.  ( <<< sarcasm, in case it wasn't obvious).

      Maybe it would be just as simple to make sure every car had a minimum of 2 minutes work time in the pits?

     Wildcard: Let's say that you're a local tow truck driver. You work at the races to get in free, hang out with the gang, perhaps drink a beer afterwards with friends  and maybe have some good stories to tell in the off season. Two cars bonk together and need to be towed to the pits for their minimum of 2 minutes in the work area. Which has the better potential to give you something to talk about in the off-season- hooking up to the #15 of Donnie Schatz or hooking up to the #8-ball of Joe Local?

I have no problem that you disagree with my thought on this. It's not like either of us can change anything.....we're simply voicing opinions. 

Not wound tight at all. My thought is pretty simple. If there's a rule it should apply to all without fail or extenuating circumstances. I didn't realize that the two minute clock is the mimimum time allowed.....I always thought it was the maximum time allowed. So what becomes the maximum when say three or four cars all come to the work area at different intervals from the same incident? First guy in may get as much as six to eight minutes on the clock? Hardly sounds right, to me.

The show as you put it isn't slowed up at all if the work on all cars starts when the last car is towed in. Think about what you're saying. Each car gets the allotted two minutes. The two minute clock as it is now doesn't start until the last car is in the work area. The time expired waiting for that last car doesn't change at all. So speeding up the show isn't a factor at all.

Not sure why this is a thing. So if there is a 15 minute clean up because of fluid splattered during a 3 car yellow. The first car in the work area only gets 2 minutes to work on their car and they sit there for the other 13 minutes because it's not "fair" to the person who gets there 8 minutes into the clean up? Then they all sit there after they worked on their car for 2 minutes while cleanup continues? That's silly. Aint broke, don't fix it. Much ado about nothing.

The 15 car was only an example.  I was sitting in the stands at Knoxville for the 2-day Outlaw show.  Donny drew the front row both nights for the dash and dozens of people around me were yelling "fixed" or "rigged".  I just laughed.  I booed that he drew the front row, but it was nothing more than luck.  And, to draw front row in the dash a lot, you have to qualify for the dash a lot. 

I only used the 15 to prove a point to the very end of the spectrum.  I don't quite get all caught up in the favoritism conspiracy like everyone else does. 

There's a thousand scenerios that makes it sound plausable.....but why so many when it could be cut and dried?

That's what I was thinking. You would think that a WOO event at any track would have enough tow trucks to make this a non-issue. Sometime's a car is really messed up so it might take longer or might take 2 tow trucks, in which case they ain't gettin' it fixed in time anyway. In my personal view, this rule should apply only to the A main and maybe the B main (in big events that have a larger/longer B main) but definitely NOT for heat races.

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We wondered the same thing, why did Sheldon get 4ish minutes when the other 2 non WoO guys only got 2? Still amazing how they can change a front end out, and replace the nose wing in that amount of time though... 

The Crowd Pleaser IS THE BEST ever!

I see it all good. Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug in this scenario. I for one absolutely do NOT agree that if it takes 15 minutes to clear the track that a car and their crew need to stop working after 2. That is BS. 

Riddle me this. Say 2 cars crash, and one leaks a bunch of fuel (hypothetically) and it takes 18 minutes to clean the fuel and mess up. Both cars go to work area, first one 3 minutes in, and second one 6 minutes in, and both cars are back on the racetrack before they are done cleaning up the track. and both cars are on the track at the 10 minute mark, 8 minutes before the track is finished, but one guy used 7 minutes and the other guy used 4, should they not be allowed to push off?

Isn't that when an Open Red might apply? Everybody then gets to work on their car. Like I said....there can be a thousand scenerios.............The rule is evidently a two minute "minimum" not a two minute maximum......and it changes with each circumstance when dealing with more than one car. So be it.