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What do I think? I think you can't reach all those conclusions after just one race. The race results mention dry slick conditions. That tends to take away some of the horsepower advantage of a 410 over a 360. 

I've always thought it would cool to offer the 360 winner $500 if he tags the tail of the 410 feature, just to see how well he does. In this particular case, I don't think the 360 winner would have been able to catch the 410 winner, but I don't think he would have been lapped by the 410 winner either.

Yeah, maybe the track was terrible. You could be right. I just seen a post on Facebook where the Pro series. was turning faster laps in their feature. than the 410 class in their feature. So something must have definitely been up with the track. But I've still noticed, over the last few years, the quality of the 410 class at Knoxville. has been going downhill. Car count has come back up some. but not necessarily the quality of the cars. By that I mean? I think. Some 360 drivers have moved up. and just bought super. cheap used. 410s But don't quite have what it takes for that big half mile. Would be better suited for a track like Husets? Have to see what happens in the weeks to come. And I'll make a prediction right now when Brian Brown starts showing up, he's gonna cherry pick everything. Or somebody else with top notch equipment.  Glen Murra

Somebody else with top notch equipment? Like Reutzel?

Just go to the fair board with your suggestions of dropping the 410s and shortening the track.   I'm sure they'll get right on that...

I think you're overthinking this whole racing deal Glen.  I watched last night from home after my wife canceled out on our Pella Tulip with a Knoxville side trip.  Recliner, cats, good racing is all I saw.  The track Looked slick so maybe that kept the speeds close between 360's and 410's.  Did you go down there or watch from home?  Everything up here rained out this weekend so the closest race was Knoxville at around 300 miles.

Stan Meissner

Simple answer is the track. I slicked off and was very wide early in the night. Fast way around was the cushion and it was very thin by the end of the night. Bottom never did come in either which was fine by me. I enjoyed the railing the boards all night.

Which division timed first? That can a make a big difference. Looks to me like like the majority of the 410's were good quality cars. 28 410's with well over half of them being good quality cars and drivers doesn't seem like anything to complain about to me. It sounds like a very good weekly show, even better when you add in a good field of 360's. Now as far as veteran 410 drivers cherry picking the 360's, well I've never been a big fan of that. You really don't see that many places other than Knoxville. 

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my ex driver son was on a pit crew sat. night.  He said the track was hard, hard slick.  If you watched the 360 timed first and as you should know the track wore out.    Last year Brian Brown set a new track record in the 14 something range.  If I was going to complain about time trialas I would ask track to time the 410 cars first so it would not upset you.  I doubt you would ever go to a race at Knoxville no matter what they did.  Get your pacifier and go back to bed.

I'm assuming that you're replying to the OP and not me.   I don't have any complaint with Knoxville at all and my reply to him was sarcasm.    I go to the Nats every year and watch 55-ish cars time in every night.   Obviously the track slows down during time trials and the guys that go out late don't do as well.   If the 360s timed first last night then that easily explains only .3 seconds gap between the two classes.     All that said, I really wouldn't give a rat's @$$ what the stop watches said on either class.    There's not a big difference between 360s and 410s at Devils Bowl either and that's another big fast track.   And I know of a quarter mile where a 360 won an ASCoC race.   

All things being equal there, lap times between the 410's to 360's are about 1 second apart, as they are from 360's to 305's.

The weather has been all jacked up there, and my guess is they were much more concerned with keeping the track smooth vs getting rough - as it about impossible to have both until the weather stabilizes more.

If you go back through the results through the years, you can pretty much establish lap times there are 1 second different per division. Again, all things being considered.

When the track is perfect for low 15sec time trials not much different then when it rubbers down no passing and hard to advance as track can be narrow. The calibur of 410s is excellent at the top end and Aaron and Kerry can run in top 10 anywhere .Brown ran excellent at Eldora and probably was as satisfing as winning KnoxVille from the front. When bottom is same speed as top makes great racing even better when you have a middle. Dunkins are the best but there are a lot of factors. The WOO and All Star are much better on rough bull rings

There cant be good racing unless there is a huge cushion and its wide open. Sarcasm for those who missed that.  Hasnt Knoxville been rained out until Saturday night?  Would think people would be happy to see cars on the track again.  Guess Im mistaken about that.  I would say there is no chance in hell they ever think about shortening Knoxville.  There really is no pleasing some people

Always been interesting to me when people who have no clue discuss "equipment" quality. Except for a few people in the know this has always just been assumption. For the most part none of us has any idea who has the best motor and shocks. It sounds like Reutzel won because he has bigger balls and is just plain better than the rest.

1 show, holly crap your all sounding like a certain guy that hates, as he calls him, razor steve.