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This message was edited on June 15, 2019 at 01:05:08 PM by RodinCanada

Did this guy literally just drive away from the pack all night? It sure looked that way on the highlight video.

Interesting the guy who missed the A main is getting more chat than the guy who beat the WoO regulars.

Does anyone know about the points? Brownie gets 200 for the win and the 2nd Kville regular is shown as getting 95 for 10th or whatever it was he finished will all woo regulars in between. Does that mean brownie just gained 105 points over McCarl in the regular season points? If so, great gains to have all those travellers take away points. Makes up for his loss watching Kvile on dirtvisuon from a hotel at Mansfield.



oswald
June 15, 2019 at 02:29:32 PM
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I believe all regulars get 200 points to show up and get any they win more than that..



fiXXXer
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Glad to see him win one for the hometown crowd. I'd love nothing more than to see him repeat that performance come August. He's a hell of a driver and the classiest guy in the sport. He deserves to win the Nationals and I think someday, he will. He's been so close in the past. Hopefully this is his year.



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Posted By: fiXXXer on June 15 2019 at 03:44:35 PM

Glad to see him win one for the hometown crowd. I'd love nothing more than to see him repeat that performance come August. He's a hell of a driver and the classiest guy in the sport. He deserves to win the Nationals and I think someday, he will. He's been so close in the past. Hopefully this is his year.



I can go along with that!



notyouraveragemillenial
June 17, 2019 at 08:47:39 AM
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This just might be his year come August



dsc1600
June 17, 2019 at 09:36:50 AM
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He looked extremely fast on Friday. I’m not sure running there as much as he does is an advantage come Nationals time because the track conditions are much different. Kaeding said something about this during an interview one year. 



notyouraveragemillenial
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Posted By: dsc1600 on June 17 2019 at 09:36:50 AM

He looked extremely fast on Friday. I’m not sure running there as much as he does is an advantage come Nationals time because the track conditions are much different. Kaeding said something about this during an interview one year. 



I respectfully disagree. While I do agree track conditions may be different during the Nats, seat time at Knoxville is so valuable no matter who you are. It's such a tricky place. Why do you think some of the outlaw guys and a few other teams were testing there a week or so ago? That's almost like saying the Posse doesn't have an advantage at WG, Port, or Lincoln even though they run there weekly. IMO its a huge adavantage for him.



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June 17, 2019 at 10:17:43 AM
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It was fun to see Brownie get his first WOO win at Knoxville. He looked faster than anyone else Friday night. 

I honestly thought the weekend track conditions were similar to what you see during the nationals, a little heavier and narrower earlier in the night, than what you usually see during weekly shows. The track however was faster on the top even though it wasn't super slick in the middle.  I didn't see many drivers successfully running the bottom all the way around, lap after lap. 

I think Brown has as good of chance as anyone NOT names Donnie. 


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dsc1600
June 17, 2019 at 12:53:22 PM
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Posted By: notyouraveragemillenial on June 17 2019 at 10:02:28 AM

I respectfully disagree. While I do agree track conditions may be different during the Nats, seat time at Knoxville is so valuable no matter who you are. It's such a tricky place. Why do you think some of the outlaw guys and a few other teams were testing there a week or so ago? That's almost like saying the Posse doesn't have an advantage at WG, Port, or Lincoln even though they run there weekly. IMO its a huge adavantage for him.



If track time was such a huge advantage, why was that his first Outlaw win there? He’s been fast for about 10 years there now. 



notyouraveragemillenial
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Posted By: dsc1600 on June 17 2019 at 12:53:22 PM

If track time was such a huge advantage, why was that his first Outlaw win there? He’s been fast for about 10 years there now. 



Simple, the outlaw guys are the best of the best and are hard to beat regardless of track time. There's no doubting that. Things have to fall right to win Outlaw races. Lets face it, most nights if you don't draw up front in the dash, you aren't going to win.

You said you don't think running there often gives him an advantage come August becuase track conditions are different and he's been fast for the last 10 years there. At some point in those 10 years, don't you think the track has been like it is during Nationals at a weekly show? More than likely yes, and more than likely it has been multiple times. It's not like running there for 10 years he's never seen the track conditions similar to that of the Nationals. Like I said, IMO I believe running there often gives him an advantage come August but thats MY opinion.



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If track time was such a huge advantage, why was that his first Outlaw win there? He’s been fast for about 10 years there now. 



Just because he has not won an "outlaw" race there doesn't mean anything in my eyes. Hes won and ran very well at a lot of big races there. From a quick scan or results for the Cappy Race and select good runs at nationals I have come up with:

Cappy:

2012 - 7th (67 cars)
2013 - 3rd (81 cars)
2014 - 2nd (71 cars)
2015 - 13th (only time out of the top 10 in this race, 80 cars)
2016 - 3rd (62 cars)
2017 - 1st (69 cars)
2018 - 3rd (67 cars)

Nationals good runs:

2012 - 2nd Saturday A main
2013 - Won qualifying night, 2nd Saturday A Main
2014 - Won qualifying night, 2nd Saturday A Main
2015 - 6th in A
2017 - 2nd on qualifying night

Outlaw results rom 2012 on:

2012 - April 28th (4th) - June 9th (3rd)
2013 - May 11th (3rd) - June 15th (2nd)
2014 - June 14th (9th)
2015 - June 13th (4th)
2016 - June 10th (3rd) - June 11th (21st, Big pileup on front stretch on start)
2017 - June 9th (6th) - June 10th (5th)
2018 -June 29 (15th, running 4th and caught up in crash, broken shock and radius rod) - June 30th (4th)

He has been good there for quite some time, but the track time definitely helps. We all know how good brown is at Knoxville, but when he goes to a place like husets he was not as good. If he ran most of his career there he could be better there as well. Track time at Knoxville is always Beneficial, same as how track time at the grove is as well.



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Posted By: notyouraveragemillenial on June 17 2019 at 02:00:04 PM

Simple, the outlaw guys are the best of the best and are hard to beat regardless of track time. There's no doubting that. Things have to fall right to win Outlaw races. Lets face it, most nights if you don't draw up front in the dash, you aren't going to win.

You said you don't think running there often gives him an advantage come August becuase track conditions are different and he's been fast for the last 10 years there. At some point in those 10 years, don't you think the track has been like it is during Nationals at a weekly show? More than likely yes, and more than likely it has been multiple times. It's not like running there for 10 years he's never seen the track conditions similar to that of the Nationals. Like I said, IMO I believe running there often gives him an advantage come August but thats MY opinion.



The Posse races against the best and has a 50% win rate (lately)  in their backyard. That’s a legit home field advantage. Once in a while the Posse wins off porch but you’re talking once in a while, not 50%. The Knoxville regulars have single digit winning percentage against the Outlaws. Hardlt the same thing. 

By the time the A main gets going on Saturday, there’s already more laps on the track than at any point all year. 



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Posted By: racefanigan on June 17 2019 at 02:56:32 PM

Just because he has not won an "outlaw" race there doesn't mean anything in my eyes. Hes won and ran very well at a lot of big races there. From a quick scan or results for the Cappy Race and select good runs at nationals I have come up with:

Cappy:

2012 - 7th (67 cars)
2013 - 3rd (81 cars)
2014 - 2nd (71 cars)
2015 - 13th (only time out of the top 10 in this race, 80 cars)
2016 - 3rd (62 cars)
2017 - 1st (69 cars)
2018 - 3rd (67 cars)

Nationals good runs:

2012 - 2nd Saturday A main
2013 - Won qualifying night, 2nd Saturday A Main
2014 - Won qualifying night, 2nd Saturday A Main
2015 - 6th in A
2017 - 2nd on qualifying night

Outlaw results rom 2012 on:

2012 - April 28th (4th) - June 9th (3rd)
2013 - May 11th (3rd) - June 15th (2nd)
2014 - June 14th (9th)
2015 - June 13th (4th)
2016 - June 10th (3rd) - June 11th (21st, Big pileup on front stretch on start)
2017 - June 9th (6th) - June 10th (5th)
2018 -June 29 (15th, running 4th and caught up in crash, broken shock and radius rod) - June 30th (4th)

He has been good there for quite some time, but the track time definitely helps. We all know how good brown is at Knoxville, but when he goes to a place like husets he was not as good. If he ran most of his career there he could be better there as well. Track time at Knoxville is always Beneficial, same as how track time at the grove is as well.



Wow, that's some good work there. Those stats tell the story, thanks!!



notyouraveragemillenial
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The Posse races against the best and has a 50% win rate (lately)  in their backyard. That’s a legit home field advantage. Once in a while the Posse wins off porch but you’re talking once in a while, not 50%. The Knoxville regulars have single digit winning percentage against the Outlaws. Hardlt the same thing. 

By the time the A main gets going on Saturday, there’s already more laps on the track than at any point all year. 



Look at racefanigan's stats and tell me track time doesn't give him an advantage .....



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Look at racefanigan's stats and tell me track time doesn't give him an advantage .....



I would even venture to say that PA cars racing their weekly have more of an advantage than Knoxville guys do, just because the tracks are so hard to race, the guys that race there every week are ready for it. The guys that go to the Grove 5-6 times a year are at a disadvantage. It is just more prevalent in PA than it is anywhere else. CA locals are at an advantage out there as well, just as Knoxville locals are. Just because Brown does not necessarily have a "Winning" record against the outlaws does not mean that he does not have an advantage from racing there every week. Like I said earlier, he goes to husets and races with the outlaws and nobody really remembers it, because he was not that great at husets. If he had raced there more though, he probably would have been better.



turn4guy
June 17, 2019 at 05:51:08 PM
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Here's my take on the 21 right now. He's as fast as he's been for a few years, if not faster. And we have to throw in the fact that Schatz is a little off so far this year. Not sure why that is but I'm not buying the "wait till summer time when it's slick argument. " Could be wrong but I dont think I am. So with all that being said I would put Brownie up there with Sweet as the favorite this year. Then Donny. 



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Top shelf of favorites is the 49, 21, 15 imo. Pittman tier 1A - it was has fast both nights. Shuchart had incredible speed, including a qualifying lap Friday that was unreal. Gravel will be there. They are probably 1A or 2. 

The one thing that hasn't been brought up is format - you can kind of hide from it on a normal Outlaw night because of the dash draw and lack of inversions. The Nationals still has the absolute best format in racing and it will weed the pretenders out from the contenders. You have to have a fast car that will maneuver and run everywhere, you need a bit of luck, but most of all, you have to be good every damn time you're on the track. That favors the consistent teams like Schatz and Sweet, to a lesser extent Brown. He showed a lot of moxy Friday night - I've always thought he gets in his own head sometimes come August. If he can focus for a complete week and eliminate mistakes, he has as good as chance as anybody. 





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