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jdfast
March 07, 2018 at 11:43:05 AM
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CA is in a drought, other than when WOO is scheduled to race wink.

Last week, WOO cancelled a race at PAS last week, (the forecast was rain and very cold weather), probably a good choice for fans, teams and promoters.  But Sunday would of been a great day to race.

This weekend a double header at Tulare, the weather looks good for Friday, but iffy for Saturday.  I will likely not attend.  This happened a few seasons ago, but Friday was cancelled, but they ran Saturday race and no rain date on Sunday.  The fans and teams wanted to race on Sunday, but  .....didn't happen

My question is, would it be prudent if Woo made up Friday or Saturday rainouts, with a late afternoon Sunday race.  If I'm gonna travel a great distance and $$$ to a race, I would like to know the track will try to get the race in.  But knowing WOO will not try to make up a race on a Sunday, I will not travel to a WOO race if the weather is iffy let alone pre purchase race tickets.  (I know when USAC visits our area for Turkey Night or Oval Nationals, they do utilize rain dates).

Yeah, I know WOO (like any good business) makes decisions based off of $$$ and for them they think/know it's better not to race on a Sunday in CA.   But if fans/teams knew they would race on a sunday, they would more likely attempt to go to the event.

Just my $.02    (yeah CA is unique in that the traffic is such a bitch, it makes Sunday hard to schedule), but I wonder how many more cars/fans would attend tulare this weekend, if they knew there was a rain date for Sunday available?

 

cheers and hope they get sat's race in  Smile  (I'll be watching dirtvision this weekend)




texdel
March 07, 2018 at 12:08:16 PM
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Good question. I think you would have to look at all of the moving pieces with this:

Just braininstroming here as i have never been a promoter:

- If track is within in city limits, are they allowed to race on Sundays

- How big is the fan base locally versus fans that travel to that particular race

- Will the track personnel be available on Sunday (push vehicles, fire, medical, concession, security etc. etc.

- Are there enough local teams to supplement a full feature (Not always the case in Southern California as teams don't seem to travel to Perris very much for the WoO races. Of course, this can be at any track and locals have regular jobs.

Just some food for thought to keep the conversation moving...

 

 



djscotty14
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March 07, 2018 at 12:25:03 PM
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Posted By: jdfast on March 07 2018 at 11:43:05 AM

CA is in a drought, other than when WOO is scheduled to race wink.

Last week, WOO cancelled a race at PAS last week, (the forecast was rain and very cold weather), probably a good choice for fans, teams and promoters.  But Sunday would of been a great day to race.

This weekend a double header at Tulare, the weather looks good for Friday, but iffy for Saturday.  I will likely not attend.  This happened a few seasons ago, but Friday was cancelled, but they ran Saturday race and no rain date on Sunday.  The fans and teams wanted to race on Sunday, but  .....didn't happen

My question is, would it be prudent if Woo made up Friday or Saturday rainouts, with a late afternoon Sunday race.  If I'm gonna travel a great distance and $$$ to a race, I would like to know the track will try to get the race in.  But knowing WOO will not try to make up a race on a Sunday, I will not travel to a WOO race if the weather is iffy let alone pre purchase race tickets.  (I know when USAC visits our area for Turkey Night or Oval Nationals, they do utilize rain dates).

Yeah, I know WOO (like any good business) makes decisions based off of $$$ and for them they think/know it's better not to race on a Sunday in CA.   But if fans/teams knew they would race on a sunday, they would more likely attempt to go to the event.

Just my $.02    (yeah CA is unique in that the traffic is such a bitch, it makes Sunday hard to schedule), but I wonder how many more cars/fans would attend tulare this weekend, if they knew there was a rain date for Sunday available?

 

cheers and hope they get sat's race in  Smile  (I'll be watching dirtvision this weekend)



No rain in the forecast now 



staggerman
March 07, 2018 at 01:59:01 PM
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Rain dates, even advertised, are mostly a loser for the promoter. Yeah, die hard fans on here would know about a rain date but the common family man bringing his family doesn't pay attention to rain dates. Most like he already has plans made by his old lady on Sunday. Plus how many times do you get a perfect day the next day, maybe 25% other times it is still wet or cold. Better to take it on the chin and call it a weekend then try a last minute rain date.



GULF81
March 07, 2018 at 02:22:56 PM
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in some states you cant sell beer on sundays   that hurts the track owners


Curtis Davis

jdfast
March 07, 2018 at 04:35:59 PM
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PAS and Tulare I would imagine could race on Sunday, they have in the past.

Tulare sprint car fans are hardcore, many travel from Socal and Norcal for this great track in the central CA.  I think many of the fans could attend Sunday if the race started early.  I think many times the wifes are bigger fans in this area that travel.

Beer flows 7 days a week in CALI Smile

Last minute rain dates are not good, but doesn't WOO do rain dates at other tracks around the country ? Everyone buying a nascar ticket knows they will attempt to get the race in.  Whenever I travel for a race like Nationals or Nascar, I plan a rain date just in case.

Why does it matter, well where I live in Socal, we don't get much opportunity for Winged Sprint cars let alone WOO and it's a special event.  Tulare is not really local (3 hour plus drive), but it's such a great track, I consider it my home track and I live in socal.

When I use the weather channel forecast, it says 90% chance of showers with 1/2" of rain  for Sat night  frown but forecast change quickly around here).

I love tulare and will watch from home this time with dirtvision.  Woo will be back in a few weeks at Oildale, that should be a great show too.   

And tulare/woo will get the race in with the vortex theory, just be safe on the roads, I almost got washed away with mud one year going down the grapevine for the Trophy Cup and it was a nightmare for days, just ask Brad Doty about his travels that weekend.

 

cheers

 



Igo-Ono
March 07, 2018 at 04:51:28 PM
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Every major racing series, including WoO, USAC, POWRi and ASCS, should use rain dates. If it was routine to use Sunday or the next available day for the postponed race, the fans would come because they would be expecting the race to happen. 

I find it astonishing that WoO is willing to simply cancel its one appearance in a market simply because the weather didn’t cooperate for a day or two. Can you imagine NASCAR, Major League Baseball, or the Professional Golf Association just giving up because it rained? Of course not.

 



HoldenCaulfield
March 07, 2018 at 05:58:38 PM
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Seems reasonable to me. 



baylands guy
March 07, 2018 at 06:35:10 PM
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I have a three hour drive to get to Tulare. I always get a motel on Saturday night so I don't get home at 3 in the morning.  I would be glad to stick around for a Sunday make up.



mudclods
March 08, 2018 at 08:05:09 AM
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Posted By: Igo-Ono on March 07 2018 at 04:51:28 PM

Every major racing series, including WoO, USAC, POWRi and ASCS, should use rain dates. If it was routine to use Sunday or the next available day for the postponed race, the fans would come because they would be expecting the race to happen. 

I find it astonishing that WoO is willing to simply cancel its one appearance in a market simply because the weather didn’t cooperate for a day or two. Can you imagine NASCAR, Major League Baseball, or the Professional Golf Association just giving up because it rained? Of course not.

 



Easy to say until you're the one paying the bill.



Igo-Ono
March 08, 2018 at 11:09:52 AM
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This message was edited on March 08, 2018 at 11:11:11 AM by Igo-Ono
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Posted By: mudclods on March 08 2018 at 08:05:09 AM

Easy to say until you're the one paying the bill.



Who is paying the travel bills when I and the car that I help sponsor go long distances to a race that gets canceled? 



RodinCanada
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March 08, 2018 at 01:34:08 PM
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Just my thoughts but I think they should try a rain date evrywhere they go is scheduling allows.

 

And to the guy who referenced Nascar in a positive manner in this forum.... I thought that was illegal even if it was true.



mudclods
March 08, 2018 at 02:31:32 PM
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Posted By: Igo-Ono on March 08 2018 at 11:09:52 AM

Who is paying the travel bills when I and the car that I help sponsor go long distances to a race that gets canceled? 



So you drove to Perris on Saturday even though they cancelled by noon Friday?

And you think the track or Series owes it to everyone to complete the race no matter what?  Great way for the track to lose so much money they won't even do it the following year.

To even compare a NASCAR race or baseball game to a WoO race or lower series event is a moot issue.   

The logic sometimes blows my mind. 



MSPN
March 08, 2018 at 02:46:34 PM
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Paging Johnny Gibson, paging Mr. Gibson.....Damn Penquins last night, they have lots of talent other than the big boys.....Now about a raindate, yay or nay?????



Igo-Ono
March 08, 2018 at 04:02:20 PM
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Posted By: mudclods on March 08 2018 at 02:31:32 PM

So you drove to Perris on Saturday even though they cancelled by noon Friday?

And you think the track or Series owes it to everyone to complete the race no matter what?  Great way for the track to lose so much money they won't even do it the following year.

To even compare a NASCAR race or baseball game to a WoO race or lower series event is a moot issue.   

The logic sometimes blows my mind. 



I never mentioned Perris.

My point is that when competitors are towing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment to a race, and fans have invested who knows how much in gasoline, airplane tickets, hotels and such, that the series and track do have a responsibility to run the damn race. 



racefanigan
March 08, 2018 at 04:19:36 PM
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Actually, I do not think they have an obligation to do anything. There are many factors that come into play here.Yes, they are in CA for the month, so geographically it makes sense. When I was there 2 years ago, I thought it was on a fairgrounds? If so, there could be so many BS reasons as to why a fair board will not let them race. Anyone who doesn't agree with that, has never worked with a fair board before.

If I go to a race and it rains out, I do not feel like I got screwed by anyone. Hell, if I tow my car to a racetrack and it rains out, I have more money than I would have had we raced! Its a deal between the track and the outlaws, and I guarantee you they dont care what Tom. Dick, and Harry have to say about it, because hell, its the world of outlaws, they will sell the place out next year with new fans from the room made because  of the "I will not go back" people.



alum.427
March 08, 2018 at 06:03:04 PM
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No. There are many reasons as to why, and they all have merit. The crews understand Sunday is there off day. I'm sure they really don't get the day off if service needs to be done or some other reason. It's also a day they can move at a more relaxed pace. No race on Sunday. 



JonR
March 08, 2018 at 07:49:54 PM
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This message was edited on March 08, 2018 at 09:21:07 PM by JonR

As mentioned above rain dates are usually money losers for the promoters.   Also, many people are suggestion Sunday afternoon racing which is lose/lose/lose arrangement.   1. There are a ton of fans that will never attend a day race because they are usually boring freight train affairs on a crappy track.  Also, because of the crappy track conditions promoters will want to re-work the track only to have it go to crap in a couple of races.   2. The fans that do attend are 99.99% of the time watch an incredibly crappy race and speak bad about the track and the performance for all that will hear.  3.  The teams tear up a lot of equipment and a lot of tires to run on a crappy surface. 

Before everyone tells me about the 1 time out of 1000 that they watched a good day race, please keep the comments to yourself.   I really do not believe you.   I have been to several Saturday afternoon specials during the knoxville nationals and the best track prep crew couldn't save the day.

Finally,  I do not want the promoter to take on any show that they know is going to be a money loser.   If promoters are forced to take on money losing shows, it will drive many of them out of business or will drive them not to promote any large shows.  It is  inconvient to plan a vacation racing trip and one of the nights is lost due to weather or one of the nights is lost to a weather cancellation when the forcast was 95% rain, but it stayed away.   However that pales to the comparison to the promoter who rolls the dice and one bad night and losses badly and he is forced to go into his personal savings to keep the track opereation that year.  



sprintfast
March 08, 2018 at 08:59:32 PM
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Watch Nascar dirts for farming.



JonR
March 08, 2018 at 09:24:28 PM
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As mentioned above rain dates are usually money losers for the promoters.   Also, many people are suggestion Sunday afternoon racing which is lose/lose/lose arrangement.   1. There are a ton of fans that will never attend a day race because they are usually boring freight train affairs on a crappy track.  Also, because of the crappy track conditions promoters will want to re-work the track only to have it go to crap in a couple of races.   2. The fans that do attend are 99.99% of the time watch an incredibly crappy race and speak bad about the track and the performance for all that will hear.  3.  The teams tear up a lot of equipment and a lot of tires to run on a crappy surface. 

Before everyone tells me about the 1 time out of 1000 that they watched a good day race, please keep the comments to yourself.   I really do not believe you.   I have been to several Saturday afternoon specials during the knoxville nationals and the best track prep crew couldn't save the day.

Finally,  I do not want the promoter to take on any show that they know is going to be a money loser.   If promoters are forced to take on money losing shows, it will drive many of them out of business or will drive them not to promote any large shows.  It is  inconvient to plan a vacation racing trip and one of the nights is lost due to weathe. Equally inconvenient for one of the nights to be lost to a weather cancellation when the forcast was 95% rain, but it stayed away.   However that pales to the comparison to the promoter who rolls the dice on marginal weather and one bad night causes him to losses badly.  One really bad night could  force the promoter to go into his personal savings to keep the track opereation that year.





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