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May 28, 2014 at
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Heard Kevin Ramey showed up at KSP with the headers on the car "up side down"......and they let him run that way. Anyone confirm or have pics of this?
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May 28, 2014 at
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Not really upside down but definitely look odd...almost like midget headers. The purpose is to decrease heat on the rear tires...shoots the exhaust up and over the tires instead of on them.
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May 28, 2014 at
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Posted By: IBRACN on May 28 2014 at 11:28:25 AM
Not really upside down but definitely look odd...almost like midget headers. The purpose is to decrease heat on the rear tires...shoots the exhaust up and over the tires instead of on them.
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OK...then that's a different story than what I was getting. I heard this was something created by the engine builder (ASI) and they were telling people it was 'worth power'.....LOL.
Ironically, keeping the heat off the tires/shocks/bars/jacobs ladder actually makes sense, but wouldn't it be easier to put a turn out on the collector???
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May 28, 2014 at
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May 28, 2014 at
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LMAO!!!!!
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May 28, 2014 at
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May 28, 2014 at
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Whoa, that's crazy! Next thing you know they'll be taking the wings off them cars!
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May 28, 2014 at
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Interesting stuff.
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May 28, 2014 at
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Each zoomie pipe on of a funny car creates 800lbs of downtown so if I had a car...
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May 28, 2014 at
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Already took the wings off.
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May 28, 2014 at
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Hot air rises,so it's got to be of benefit. But on another note,if he does keep running that,he will most likely be deaf after a handful of races,I don't care how good a set of ear plugs he has lol. Also how is his left elbow gonna look after a few races as well lol
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May 28, 2014 at
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Posted By: Fuelstick on May 28 2014 at 06:00:31 PM
Hot air rises,so it's got to be of benefit. But on another note,if he does keep running that,he will most likely be deaf after a handful of races,I don't care how good a set of ear plugs he has lol. Also how is his left elbow gonna look after a few races as well lol
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Not sure I can buy into the whole hot air rising thing, but hey....look how many people are using square tail tanks on midgets now, b/c that just HAD to be the secret to Sammy and Kevin's success at the Chili Bowl, right? LOL
BUt I do agree that Ramey's elbow would have to be "warm" after a few laps.....and definitely agree on the ear plug comment!
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May 28, 2014 at
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IMO, the design is good in theory, but practical application I am unsure. The dissipation of heat from the headers will be a diffusion process, not collimated. Therefore, the heat will still have an impact on the rear tires. Additional concern would be for driver safety, short and long term. The heat will enter the cockpit, so will the fumes from combusted fuel. This is not to exclude the noise factor and damage to hearing.
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May 28, 2014 at
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Posted By: asiseeit on May 28 2014 at 04:40:13 PM
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+1 LOL!
But.....Turn them up like a tractor towards the bottom side of the wing.... 
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May 28, 2014 at
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The above post is close to what I would say. Adding the strain of heat to the valve springs. To explain I did this with a hand built aluminum hood which transfered heat much easier. Tires still got hot. Driver affects would be utmost concern. As far as the zoomie effect, hard to compare 7-8000 horsepower , blown power plants to a sprint car engine. One very famous driver/ builder showed up at Knoxville with two right side headers on the car years back. Over heard him tell many it tightened the car on entry where he had to develop odd lines. Truth was the rack and pinion steering had too quick of ratio and even he couldn't use it. Yes rack and pinion, mounted on axle. That was an interesting night to say the least.
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May 28, 2014 at
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When I worked in Experimental Flight Test, we used variations of these to monitor temperatures of various surfaces. They are held on with adhesive and can tell a hell of a story over a wide area. I would be interested to see the results of some placed on shocks, rear axle, wheels ect..... http://www.grainger.com/product/Non-Rev-Temp-Indicator-9UDG3?s_pp=false
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May 28, 2014 at
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Posted By: brettco on May 28 2014 at 05:04:31 PM
Each zoomie pipe on of a funny car creates 800lbs of downtown so if I had a car...
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well since each cylider on a funny car creates about 1250 HP vs around maybe 115 HP per cylinder on a 410 sprinter i don't know if the down force from a sprint motor would be that helpful.
besides the zoomies on sprinters was done over 30 years ago.
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May 28, 2014 at
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Damion Gardner had them on out west at Perris in april
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May 28, 2014 at
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this thread is titled wrong, Ramey had on "downside up" headers
do it in the dirt
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May 28, 2014 at
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I think it was when Sammy had the channel lock car he had headers simalar to those except they angled up more and went to the back of the cage. Don't think he ran them long but I know he had them at Knoxville at least once.
Anyone have a pic of that? Hawker?
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