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August 12, 2013 at
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Posted By: Jamie Klootwyk on August 11 2013 at 04:01:11 PM
What's your solution? Do any of you even know the dilemna Knoxville has? Even with a 30+ gallon tanks some 410's are hard pressed to turn 30 green flag laps at Knoxville. Even one or two cautions or restarts would likely mean a fuel stop near the end of the race, or the risk that someone running out of fuel on the white flag lap determines the winner. With all of the cuations early last night a 30 lap race probably would have had a fuel stop. So what do you do? Go to 25 laps? 5 or more cautions and you still have a fuel stop.
Even with a 33 gallon tank and many of these sprinters using almost a full gallon of fuel per lap at Knoxville you likely don't make it. So build 35 or 40 or 50 gallon tanks? How much does that change the race? You want 25 drivers going all out into turn 1 for $150,000 sitting on 40+ gallons of fuel each?
As a Brown fan, or Sammy fan, yes, it sucks becuase in the old format each of them would have a Nationals win in the last few years. But for some reason I think most of the bellowing is because it allowed the best driver in the world to win again. I'll take two consecutive 25 lap features anyday over one 25 lap feature.
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40+ gallons of fuel? Yes, if that is what it takes to run 40 or 50 laps. A sprint car race is supposed to be run WITHOUT stops.
2-25 lap features suck!
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August 12, 2013 at
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Posted By: MB_Motorsports on August 12 2013 at 09:19:18 AM
Exactly Johnny!
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#1 Gibson is in the house...
Ascot was the greatest of all time..
West Capital wasn't half bad either..
Life is good...
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August 12, 2013 at
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Posted By: egras on August 11 2013 at 07:36:55 PM
Disagree with almost everything said. You are entitled to your opinions but I respectfully disagree. I think the 50 laps races have given a boost to attendance if anything. Crowd for Saturday nights before the 50th anniversary were getting thinner and thinner. Since that 50 lap thriller, the crowd has been pretty decent. The changes to Friday night have also brought more people in. And the World Challenge idea? That was by far the most drama that race has ever had. I thought it was a great idea.
You guys may not like the changes but they need to happen and they need to happen whenever it looks like the product is not drawing the same interest. A few years back the interest for the Nationals was clearly fading. I think the crowds have steadily improved over the last few years. Might not be from the changes they have made but the changes clearly did not hurt them.
JMO
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the direct impact on the racing world is directly connected to the economy. lack of confidence equals downturns and less spending by all. personally i think the issue is due to the upswing in the economy, not the 50 lapper...
Ascot was the greatest of all time..
West Capital wasn't half bad either..
Life is good...
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August 12, 2013 at
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Posted By: WallStripe on August 12 2013 at 01:00:49 PM
Change it back to 30 laps. Take the top 3 cars right from the scales to a tech facility and rip those cars down to pieces. Having watched 50,000 laps at Knoxville something stinks right now. Donny was .3 a lap faster than the field each lap all night. I'd love to see Knoxville post the transponder data by lap from the A just to see the disparity.
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I do not think this was a HP race. I think the transponders will show about 18 sec laps or slower. It mwas all car control. I do not think Donny slipped up on a single lap. Other cars would at times have the rear kick out a little or alot. Donny knows what works at Knoxville and does not screw around trying other stuff.
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August 12, 2013 at
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Posted By: Bekemeyer Bullet on August 12 2013 at 10:32:12 AM
That could be the dumbest post yet. Congrats on that
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yes, some of this was dumb on purpose, just so I could look as dumb as alot of other posts.
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August 12, 2013 at
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Posted By: sprintman11 on August 11 2013 at 06:06:17 PM
If They are going to have a fuel stop, then make it just that. Fuel and rear tires and thats it, no adjustments. While we're at it no 25th starter!!!!!!!! The world challange race should have NOTHING to do with the nationals championship race!!!!!
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Yep you shouldn't be allowed to work on the car under a fuel stop. Simple as that. No mulligans for hitting the setup wrong. I don't think you should be allowed to change tires either. Anything other than fuel you go to the rear. Doesn't Hoosier make a tire hard enough to run 50 laps? If not that's ridiculous. As far as laps, I like 50. I always thought 30 laps for the biggest race in sprint car racing was a joke.
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August 12, 2013 at
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Posted By: linbob on August 12 2013 at 02:24:34 PM
I do not think this was a HP race. I think the transponders will show about 18 sec laps or slower. It mwas all car control. I do not think Donny slipped up on a single lap. Other cars would at times have the rear kick out a little or alot. Donny knows what works at Knoxville and does not screw around trying other stuff.
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So you're saying it was about traction and keeping the car under control.
The anecdotal evidence supports your theory.
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Posted By: Nick14 on August 12 2013 at 11:56:01 AM
I actually think 40laps would be plenty. Still leaves you with enough fuel to go green to checkered depending on how many caution laps there are. Only reason why I say 40 is that, just from my point of view, 30laps just seems like just another sprint car race when it shouldn't be. It's the Knoxville Nationals, the biggest race for the sport. I know that the whole qualifying format adds to the specticle of the event but the A-Main should be big as well. Agreed though that 50laps is way too much. If Knoxville was 1/4-3/8mile then maybe.
I know that the Kings Royal is 40 laps on a 1/2mile, and I think the National Open is 40 laps on their half mile. Can one of the Posse boys confirm or unconfirm that? Don't want to say something that isn't true. I think those two events have great racing for the length that they are, so the Nationals should be 40 but no more.
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The WG national Open is 40 laps. The tuscarora 50 at Port Royal is 50 laps. The selinsgrove national Open/Nace memorial is 44 laps. All 1/2 mile tracks and I've never heard a driver or fan complain about too many laps. Most of the top drivers prefer longer races. That must be a Knoxville mentality where they're used to 20 lap features and quite possibly the most ridiculous complaint I've ever heard. Too much sprint car racing? Do these people complain that Baskin Robbins has too many flavors, satelite TV has too many channels or that they are getting too much sex? LOL
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Posted By: egras on August 12 2013 at 09:47:15 AM
I'm with you. What I saw from the moment I sat down in the stands was fantastic racing the entire Nationals. I am just not interested in everything that everyone hated about the whole setup. Thought they made Friday night a very dramatic night for the racers and should have been for the fans. Friday night never used to matter and now it does. The World Challenge always sucked and you had drivers battling for the win because it actually meant something. Quit bitching and enjoy the racing for Gods sake!
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Couldn't agree more with your's and Bekemyer's posts.
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August 12, 2013 at
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Oh by the way--during a Q&A with fans at the Chevrolet Performance booth Saturday afternoon, both Donny Schatz and Steve Kinser said they prefered the 30 lap A to the current 50 lap format.
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35-40 laps at most! I know the Tuscarora 50 is 50 laps, but it has been 50 laps since it's been ran and that's obviously why it's called the Tuscaroara FIFTY!!! That's tradition, which just happens to include a break after 25 laps to refuel. Knoxville going to 50 laps is not restoring tradition as far as I know?
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Posted By: Johnny Gibson on August 11 2013 at 08:33:37 PM
Completely my personal opinion, but no sprint car race on a half mile track should ever be more than 30 laps.
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Awwwww , come on mannnn. Nothing beats the Tuscarora 50 at Port Royal Speedway!
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August 12, 2013 at
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I might as well throw my .02 cents in. No fuel stops. Take it back to 30 laps.
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Posted By: Johnny Gibson on August 12 2013 at 05:55:18 PM
Oh by the way--during a Q&A with fans at the Chevrolet Performance booth Saturday afternoon, both Donny Schatz and Steve Kinser said they prefered the 30 lap A to the current 50 lap format.
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I'm pretty sure it is Schatz that has stated that he is in favor of inverting the ENTIRE heat race also.
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I'm a relative newcomer to this (3rd Nationals). At first I thought pit stop took away from the "sprint car" nature of the event, but after watching Schatz' performance I'm glad it was 50. Gives the guys in the back a better chance, more entertaining. Watching Brown run away & hide the whole race would have been boring.
I was on the"anybody but Schatz" bandwagon, but his comeback was astounding & made the whole week worthwhile
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Donny did it methodically, very easily and not a single slidejob that I saw. He was simply biding time running lap after lap until he decided it was time to really go and lap 40 he took the lead and drove away. I am a fan but I saw little excitement in this, it was way too easy but he has earned it by simply having a better set-up than the rest. Make it 30 laps and make him have to hustle the whole time, he's done it before and he can do it again but enough with the pit stops, they ruin what once was a very exciting race.....
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Posted By: kooks on August 12 2013 at 11:41:45 AM
Knoxville is a REAL half mile.
Eldora is not.
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eldora is high banked and kicks AZZ.....
Ascot was the greatest of all time..
West Capital wasn't half bad either..
Life is good...
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Making it 50 laps legitmizes what would be needed for anything more than 25 laps these days, and that is a fuel stop. 30 laps is too long around Knoxville unless its a green to checker event, which this year's certainly was not.
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Posted By: NWFAN on August 13 2013 at 12:40:58 PM
eldora is high banked and kicks AZZ.....
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Maybe so but Eldora is not even close to being as big of a track as Knoville is.
Eldora on the outside wall is about the same distance as Knoxville around the inside berm.
If you don't believe me do the measurements yourself on Google Earth.
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Posted By: PA Posse Fan on August 12 2013 at 06:05:00 PM
35-40 laps at most! I know the Tuscarora 50 is 50 laps, but it has been 50 laps since it's been ran and that's obviously why it's called the Tuscaroara FIFTY!!! That's tradition, which just happens to include a break after 25 laps to refuel. Knoxville going to 50 laps is not restoring tradition as far as I know?
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Well, hell, you want to talk tradition, the WG National Open used to be 150 laps! Sat through many of them and never complained! Traditions can be modified If need be.
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