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PA is tooo tough to take a team there too race.

My thoughts exactly. By way of example people who file harassment or negligence suits against former employers have no intent of ever returning. Too many bridges are burned to even consider such a thing and I would imagine that in some cases it could even be a condition of a negotiated settlement.

The expressions "bite the hand that feeds you", "shoot yourself in the foot" and "win the battle but lose the war" all come to mind. To draw a line in the sand then express an interest in returning suggests a lack of resolve and a deviation from personal principle. The first order of business prior to initiating legal action should have been to have a plan B, in other words an alternative way to make a living in place. He'd have to know that this action was going to alienate him from the series regardless of the outcome. This is all just my opinion but I think that as an independent self employed contractor which is essentially what a career Sprint Car driver is that he'd want to think all of the possible outcomes through. Though a bitter pill to swallow biting the bullet and accepting the punishment might have been the best course of action and may have resulted in a workable compromise. Now the bridges have been burned and it may be too late to cross back over to the other side. Just my two cents worth.

Stan Meissner

My last post on this... I find myself having to be concerned with a greater battle right now. But....

Please read the part baout FEEDING HIS FAMILY.... Either none of you have ever had the misfortune to lose a job and have to scramble to survive. If not, congratulations - you have indeed led a sheltered life. I, for one, would dig crap with a spoon if that's what it took for my family to survive.

I also leave it at 99.5% of you do not have a clear grasp of the facts and because there are SO many liberal, blood sucking lawyers looking for their "big break", it is impossible to post the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

I've personally been involved in a similar lawsuit 20 years ago when starting a business to support my family. I was lucky... truth prevailed.. I can tell you it has been increasingly hard to get past all of the legal crap, corrupt lawyers and judges to even scratch the truth.. Yes, Stan... I do think line an independant contractor - I was and am!

Stan, if you wouldn't mind, think before you post propoganda like you don't think it's about principles... you simply do not know.. You mention Plan B... again, you don't have a clue....

Thanks to all that have listened with an open mind... I will continue to support my bud and his family and look forward to the day that all of this crap is behind us all....

After sixty years, raising four adult kids through two job losses, one successful lawsuit and countless other life experiences I don't consider my OPINION propaganda. It's a fact that people normally do not return to the same relationship that existed previously after filing lawsuits against their employers or companies they have contracted to. Plan B would be as in "what am I going to do for a living if I decide to proceed with legal action?" I think that's a fair observation and I don't think that my life experiences are propaganda or clueless.

Please explain how someone would proceed with legal action against an employer in any other manner. I won't call you names or accuse you of being clueless or spouting propaganda and I will listen to reason. Give me some examples, show me the error of my ways. There are civilized reasonable ways to do so besides questioning my understanding and character. Do tell please!

Stan Meissner

First let me say I am a Sides fan and hope him great success moving forward racing sprint cars. Saying all that from everything I have read on here about this, it comes down to the fact that Jason made a poor assumption and broke a contract he signed. I hope in the end he does receive the money because I know how much that money is needed to "feed his family" but more likely buy more 50,000 motors. I will not cry for anyone that can tour the country in a HALF MILLION dollars worth of toys and get to race cars for a living. I am a RN and wipe ass for a living so pardon me if I don't shed a tear over this. I think some people have taken this more personal than even Jason. If he loses the suit than he was wrong and has nobody to blame but himself. If he wins than thats even better because we will get to see a great racer and even cooler dude out on the track.

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

I agree with you Stan, and with Hawg Wild's last post.

I doubt if Stan, or anybody on here knows Jason's exact situation. Stan made a comment on what typically happens, and he's right, people normally don't try to go back to work for someone they are suing. Has it ever happened? Sure. Does it typically happen? No.

People can call you clueless all they want. I would think that if something was solely about feeding a family, then all of the consequences would have been considered right from the beginning, and for all we know, maybe they were.

I know Sides has never said he didn't want to run with his fellow racers. I know for a fact that he enjoys running with these guys. I don't believe his complaint is anything other than being wrongfully raped of a huge fine for something that could of easily been prevented by a phone call from the man that said he would get back to him. Theres things that people don't know and won't know intill this is settled by a third party. If I was Sides and Sides motorsports I would attend what races I wanted to, rather it was a sanctioned woo race or a hometown race and at no time ever think that I was wrong in something that I truly beleived in. Why wouldn't he race a woo race? So what, he sued WRG. He sued them because of the huge fine they put on him for the same things other teams did, he was never told not to run the race that Schatz and the Kasey Kahne teams did. Hell, he never even got a call back after asking to run it. Anyone that thinks he shouldn't run a woo show because he sued WRG, has the right to thier opinion, but my opinion and others is, hell run every show you can. Wasn't thier a lawsuit against Woo and NST at one point? Didn't a bunch of the guys jump ship from running woo to run NST? let me name a few,

Steve Kinser, Kraig Kinser, Paul Mcmahn, Lucas Wolfe, even thier two time champ Jason Meyers, also was Lasoski, Keading, Shane Stewart, Shaffer. So if Woo would allow these guys to leave them and help start a new series what would be the big deal Sides running woo shows? Go Jason Sides and Sides Motorsports!

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if you did business with a guy and then he broke his contract and sued you, would you go back and do business with him? I wouldn't. Sides will be lucky if he can run at the tidtch next year.

I SUPPORT JASON SIDES FROM DOWN UNDER

i also am a huge jason sides on one side of the coin. on the other side this is the profession he choose by his own doing. the relationships that he has are of his own choosing also. the half million dollar rig he tools around in to haul the 50k motors are of his own choosing. his actions are a result of his choosing, nothing else. good or bad he has to live with them, whatever the outcome is.

i don't feel sorry for him one way or another, his choice, he will have to live with it...

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

Wait, so the line about the lawsuit being all about the principle of it was just BS to draw symapthy from the fans? I was refuting the fact that a driver has to run with the Outlaws to make a living. So ASCS has terrible payoffs. If the whole thing really was about the principle of it, there are drivers making a living racing 410s in the other places I mentioned.

It just seems weak to play the fans for sympathy and trash the Outlaws over how bad they screwed him, but then go right back the next year. If I ever got screwed that badly by any place I was working as Sides says he was by the Outlaws, I can't see that I would ever go groveling back hat in hand.

There is a good editorial on this subject in the latest issue of SC&M.

I don't believe it was Sides trashing anyone. Facts are facts and Sides always used facts in his interviews and comments. Now many of us other people trashed wrg and woo. Giving our opinions and letting our thoughts be heard. Running race tracks that woo run aren't always just about WRG. Promoters pay to bring the woo cars to thier tracks, woo members are contracted to show up and race. Many other cars show up to run with those cars. Thank God that they do. We would only be watching maybe 9, 10, or 11 cars if only woo members with contracts showed up to race. Tony Stewart and Eldora are promoters of woo, do you think Tony has a problem with Sides showing up to run? I doubt it! I'm just using him and the track as an example. I haven't asked him personally. WRG has made plenty of money off of Sides and Sides Motorsports. He ran 100% of races for eight years. Coast to coast, and even Canada. I can gaurentee you this, if Sides run and I'm off work and can make that show, I will be there. He has many fans and no matter where he runs, he will have people cheering him on. Why wouldn't he run? He didn't do anything wrong! He didn't steal WRG's money from them! I say follow the money Sides and race hard and your fans will back you! I just put in for my vacation and we will see you in Florida!

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remember something but cant remember what i was 
supposed to remember.

I SUPPORT JASON SIDES FROM DOWN UNDER

Actually Hawg, you could shop at Walmart all you wanted to even if you had a lawsuit pending against them. Do you think the greeters carry pictures of people to examine when they walk in? Even if you were fired for stealing from them and being prosecuted, and they had a civil suit against you, they still would not and could not stop you from shopping there.

I found this about Walmart, knowing darn well I would..... A typical ban from Wal-Mart lasts for ever and includes Sam’s Club plus Murphy’s Gas Mart. They obtained your information from the Police by placing you on the trespass list and entered everything into their Asset Protection data bass (APIS) which means if you’re found at ANY Wal-Mart, Sam’s Club or Gas Mart you can be arrested on sight and charged with a criminal trespass.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

I think we are all forgetting something here.Jason isnt suing anyone,if they do follow through with a law suit it will be Sides Motor Sports as a company.That means all involved with the day to day running of it came to the same decision.

lol if you believe this ive got some beachfront property in tennessee to sell you.

Um...what are you talking about? The press release that was posted on here a couple weeks ago was titled "Sides to Sue World of Outlaws. The very first line of that release includes the words "Jason Sides and Sides Motorsports." That contradicts this nonsense claim that "Jason isn't suing anyone."

If he really was making any kind of a principled stand, I could completely respect that. But when that "principled stand" is nothing more than a lot of tough talk in a press release before folding like a three dollar tent in a mild breeze to cower right back to the organization Sides claimed screwed him so badly this season, not so much.

SIDES TO SUE WORLD OF OUTLAWS

After racing full time with the World of Outlaws sprint car series for the last eight years, “Double Down” Jason Sides and Sides Motorsports announced today that they intend to sue the World of Outlaws ownership entity, World Racing Group, to recover Driver Point Fund monies, Car Owner Point Fund monies, tow money and other benefits owed by the series to them. The dispute has been simmering for a couple of months, and Jason, the Series’ 2003 Kevin Gobrecht Rookie of the Year, characterized the issue as follows:
“In August of this year, I called the World Racing Group CEO, Brian Carter, and asked him for permission to run a non-Outlaw race in Fargo, ND a few weeks later. He said he couldn’t talk right then but promised to call me back the next morning at 10 o’clock. He never called me, so I texted him two more times to ask for permission to run the race. Never receiving a response from him telling me otherwise, I figured I was cleared to race. Two other World of Outlaw teams were racing that same non-sanctioned race, the #9 car and the #15, so I showed up and raced…didn’t do very well, though ! The next thing I know, the World of Outlaws come around and tell me they are cutting my tow money in half, cutting my pit passes in half and not going to pay me my Driver and Owner Point Fund money at the end of the year. They told me that regardless of where I finish in the points [currently 6th] they are only gonna pay me last place money. That’s about a $40,000 difference, and I am not going to roll over on a $40,000 ‘fine’ just because Brian Carter was too busy or didn’t want to call me back. We will let a jury decide whether what they are doing to me is right. I’ve supported this Series for a long, long time. In the years I’ve raced with the Outlaws, I’ve ran 100% of their races. If they think they can just keep my money that I’ve worked all year for, and that I’ll just whimper back to Tennessee, they’re wrong. Maybe they’ll change their minds before the Banquet, but right now they don’t even return phone calls. If they pay me my money, great. Otherwise, I’m suing them.”
In addition to his Rookie of the Year honor, Jason was the famed King’s Royal victor in 2004, and has finished 5th in both of the last two years on the Outlaw circuit. Driving his Wetherington Tractor Service “7S”car, Jason is a fan favorites wherever he races. Next year, he’ll race wherever he chooses.For additional information, contact:
John G. Deckard, Esquire
317-803-2456

Hey everyone, it was fun speculating on some of the possible outcomes of this deal based on my own experiences but I'm going to bow out of this one. Regardless of the outcome I'll attend the same one or two WoO shows I always do when they make their stops close to home. This is a hot button issue and nothing that I want to get into a name calling match over with fellow racing fans.

Stan Meissner

I SUPPORT JASON SIDES FROM DOWN UNDER