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Point taken,personally I'm sorry if I stepped on your nirvana.....your happy with the 20 car count vrs. the 50 /60 of SCRA in the late '90's or the 40/45 of '01/02 ...ok but it's a hard sell to bring people to the stands when half the night is a 'dog & Pony show 'filler instead of hard core racing......as far as SCRA and Shuman goes ,they helped fund the trips back east to help enhance the rep. of the west coast organisation....show me a copy of the check USAC cut for travel expenses for the long trip to Calastoga..whoops I'm criticising again ,or am I just pointing out facts to ponder...wait I get it now,me and a couple of others,exchanging thoughts and ideas are causing the thinning out of the fans in the grandstand and the lower car counts.....I would enjoy hearing comments from those currently racing USAC/CRA....except for that Tony Jones[Usac says he dozen't know how to count money ]or that Casey Shuman[Usac thinks he's to stupid to know the difference between 18th and 11th place] and before you get a chance to point it out again 'Bigfish' I am being a smartass again....I don't hate USAC , I just think they lack the enthusiasm to lead sprint car racing in So. Ca....but they could change my mind with some positive actions on their part....

KOP be careful ,remember back in the '50's when Soupy Sales told all the kids watching his program to go in their parents purses and wallets and send him all the money.FCC could come after you to....by the way I never got no sticker.......

I've said it many many times, I loved what USAC brought out here to the west and I loved seeing them leave as well. I loved seeing the big cars at the Phoenix fairgrounds as a kid when USAC was just getting started and Foyt was already thoroughly disliked.LOL and Jimmy Bryan from AZ was the good guy. What I've always said is that our competition against the "big boys" was good for the sport and special for the fans, drivers and owners. Don't get pissed off guys but do you think the SCRA group we had in past years or CRA would have been handed their hats like last night at Calistoga? Do you think a few more trips to Manzy would have been a help for some of the guys? I think last nights showing said plenty about the state of affairs.

Good lord, em I crazy to have posted that last thought!!! DUCK KENNY!

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

I'll send you my sticker.

thanks for the welcome on board and oh by the way I gave my last hundred bucks when they passed the hat at the P.A.S. thought the drivers could use it more then USAC...I have enough stickers anyway....

Ok, you all want something to be done about this situation. I was @ Victorville for the Cary Faas/Jack Gardner Jr races. If the racers want to race and want Cary & Jack to put on those races, then why is it that there were owners as well as drivers griping at them when the show went over curfew the second show that was run? From what I understand, Cary & Jack paid for the past curfew fine out of their own pockets and didn't take it from the money that was for the race.

I think we all agree that the Victorville races were fun, entertaining and some great racing. Cary and Jack got the fans involved which made it even more fun. Maybe we should all take a minute and drop Cary and Jack an email or letter and let them know how much we (car owners, crew members, drivers and fans) enjoyed and appreciated what they did for our sport. Maybe then they will try and schedule another race.

I have to remain anonymous for many reasons. Just know that I'm a sprint car fan from way back and I love sprint car racing. I will do anything I can to make the sport I love better.

Greg Staab? LOL

Bigfish, I couldn't agree with you more except for one thing. I criticized the coming of USAC from the beginning. I expressed my horror of them invading the west coast and their obvious intention to not raise the bar on the west coast but to put SCRA and Ron Shuman (long standing feud) out of business. There were a few who didn't have it on a silver platter from Ron (you can never please everyone) and thought bringing in USAC would make them the next Jose Wise (I call this one the night of the Oval Nationals in the Argo car) or JJ Yeley, or were going to be the next great car owner of the USAC National Division.

The state of affairs can only be resurrected by the people who got themselves into this mess. If they could swallow some pride, tell USAC to hit the &%*#@ highway and give Ron a call expressing their regret and a commitment to him for more then a hotlap session, sprint car racing has the potential in 2008 and onward to develope into the best local/part time traveling sprint car organization ever. CRA did not get to where it had in the early days without commitment and loyalty, something these modern generations do not understand. It's always what have you done for me lately! Sprint car racing in the Ca & AZ regions are struggling at best with low car counts, lack of enthusiasem (understandable) and lack of fan support. This is a perfect opportunity with things in disarray to put everyones differences and egos aside, sit down like men and get this great sport back on track.

Only the owners, supporting crews, drivers and Ron Shumans ability to negotiate with promoters can get sprint car racing back to where it should be. This is an easy fix; just waiting for some leaders out there to surface? I will leave this with one last opinion; for all of you great participants who have made this sport what it is and given the great fans of this sport the intertainement value, tell the ones who are in bed with USAC to hit the road with USAC no matter who they are. I know many of you participants know who they are. It's time for some Kahoney's and the true love of this sport to rise!

What have you done for me lately! It's pretty sad that their are few leaders and a lot of whinners in this sport. I think the most important thing that has been lost is that all the participants are addicted to this great sport and would not know whether to shit or go blind if there was no more racing available to them. Wake up guys!

did you just say that, out of respect for the efforts of Faas /Gardner no one even mentioned the red-checkered situation at Victorville that night.They corrected it almost immediately.Racers and fans alike all got what they wanted ,30 laps of great racing.The purse was posted and paid....any future Faas /Gardner races will see great participation by fans and cars...if no more races, we have two great memories....Thank you to all involved....

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Impact, I could be wrong but I would guess that when you say "I criticised the coming of USAC from the beginning".. was long after I'd been seeing USAC come to towns like the travelling show it was for the "big Boys" in the National series. They had a few regional groups that never amounted to much. I think it was 2001or so when Mike Boat won the Southwest USAC deal and they had the final race of the year at Hollywood hills speedway in N.M. Some kid by himself, Literally, with a old beat up sprinter on a open trailer stoled the show and the hearts of anyone who had been around the game for any length of time. No he didn't win the race, but he proved you didn't have a big rig like Boats to race and have a good time. My point was that it was special and exciting when they came to town to run against the best we had..unless they were running with them.LOL

OK, I had to find it..Mike Boat of Phoenix, Ariz. put the finishing touches on his 2002 USAC New Mexico/Arizona Regional Sprint Car Championship Sunday afternoon, winning the series finale at Hollywood Hills Speedway in San Felipe Pueblo, N.M------They were creeping around, but this series went nowhere. The N.M. 360 series never did go with USAC and Earlier this year they, the NMMRA, got together with the ASCA for a combined show up in Show Low at Thunder Raceway. Oh, Johnny Herrera in his dads 45X is leading the points with that group (what a suprise) and then putting on a wing and running with the ASCS at times as well.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Bigfish, My only grip with USAC was them tearing down SCRA and Ron and the participants not having the foresight to understand their intensions. USAC today as a national organization has never been better regarding the level of talent and high level teams, but unless you are running national you don't stand a chance. Their history with Ron was tumultuous and they were not going to stand by while he took SCRA to prominence nationally. SCRA was the perfect storm with USAC, unfortunately the west coast participants didn't acknowledge it.

Carefull , Impact talk like that and the Burgiemans gone'a gitt'ya,sorry guy's I couldn't help myself

"but unless you are running national you don't stand a chance". If you look at the history of the Pacific Coast Nationals and the Western you'll see that we have had plenty for the "big boys" in the past. Not only did we stand a chance but to be fair the home track advantage, and we put it to em many times. To be honest, I've only recently started hearing this "we don't stand a chance" crap, and it makes me wonder even more about where all this is going.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Remember this, USAC did not do all of these things by themselves. They were invited by the track operators. The same track operators where most of the SCRA races were held. If one of the track operators had done this, nothing much would have happened. But three of them conspired together to keep SCRA out. So what do you do when you own a racing team, you race it. And those three operators owned the three primary tracks that these people raced at.

That's right and I don't have a personal grudge against USAC, it's just the nature of the beast. It had been sniffing around for a long time for a opening and when they found it, they came right in..

Heck, look who's running with the "big boys" right now. California and AZ are represented pretty darn well, as usual. More power to em!

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Bigfish,

Sorry for not being more specific! What I meant was if you are not running with the national divisions (midget, sprint) you do not have a chance in hell of advancing your career. If you have the funding to leave your local association and succeed at the national level, then you may be fortunite enough to land a opportunity. But at the local USAC level or even for that much the local ASCS divisions, you might as well be called %&@? because it really doesn't matter. The money at the window will not be enough to satify the addiction and you show up every night because of that addiction not your common sense; you have to leave that on the shelf. Ron was the best opportunity west coast had in a long time and understood the dynamics from all aspects of this sport wich in itself is a difficult task to keep everyone somewhat happy. Maybe if he was from SoCal they would have had him on a pedistal and this would never have happened. It's never too late, just need to suck up some pride and commit to the only hope SoCal and AZ have. I know Manzy's new owners would be on board and I know with a comitment from the owners, it is possible to bring Ron back. The only problem I see is there are some respected owners that are loyal USACers and are supporting the enemy. Make no mistake about it, USAC is the enemy. The USAC officals from the west coast are loyal to the west coast, I would never question them.

I understand your position! But how do you have a sprint car race without cars? RC cars? What happened was the promoters played hard ball with the participants because Ron was advancing this it toward the owners and drivers who make up the sport, and who were the ones who folded? In folding they turned on the one working for them! So who really created this mess? Fear from the participants! Fear of not satifying your addiction instead of using better judgement without the emotions.

The car owners had them in the crosshairs and saw it completely different because of fear. It may have cost everyone one season, think of all the money you all could have saved for the next opportunity that Ron, the owners and the drivers could have created. That is why I express my feelings regarding some leaders in this group who can stand up and lead the sheep to where this needs to go. It will not happen without those few. It first must start with some accountability from this group, then come together and make the right decision. Have you ever noticed how most of the great leaders of this world are eventually turned on by the people they are protecting, it's no different with this subject. Time to regroup! Ron is a good man and where this group needs to go back to.

Think of the publicity you would get with the resurrection of this group?

"SCRA's resurrection from the bully USAC "

Ron, the leaders who stand up, along with the supporting sheep. This would be on the front pages of Speed Sport, SPEED, Sprint & Midget, Flat Out, and most of all Cyberspace, what are we waiting for.

Ron is a good man and where this group needs to go back to.

While this won't happen and yet I agree with this comment, I have but one word about everything you posted........WOW

Last time I saw Mr. Shuman he looked healthy,happy and enjoying life.A good man ,yes,but it would take a saint on his part to embroil himself in a battle to resurect SCRA for the so. ca.drivers/owners.....what about that Chilli Bowl run..impresive,yes