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Where are all the mini stocks??? The last few weeks at Brill Motor Speedway, if you had brought your mini to the track you were guaranteed a spot in the A feature, and a top ten finish!!!! Car counts in this division are dismal. If you own/ drive a mini stock you REALLY should be making the pull to Meeker.

If it'll help we might get Perry Colby to run on only 3 cylinders one week. (JK Perry!)

lets have a new ministock class there called run what you brung along as it has four sparkplugs maybe you would see more minis there its a dying class so let them run

I will be making a trip tp meeker this year just a long haul so not sure when

We need every ones opinion on the subject

Mark is willing to lissen to any ideas or complants.

We could be in trouble if something does not change, Enid and Ardmore dropped us last year

The pay is better at Meeker than any track in the state

Mark has not dropped the pay one time do to low car count he has stuck it out for us

The rules have not changed in 3 years, Mark had a Rules meeting when he started the track and every one voted on the rules and they have not changed one bit. and they check the cars and inforce the rules

Do they need to make a change to the rules

Would a Free pass the first time you come to meeker get more cars to come try it out

JD,

I thank the rules at meeker are pretty basic If Run WHAT YOU BRUNG is what will bring the cars back I am ok with that. But I dont thank it will make any diffrence. The fast cars will still be fast.

I do think if they whent back to no porting on the heads and check them it would close the field up more It just would suck for the guys who have spent the money on ported heads.

I dont thank the tire thing will work like in the mods. The minis are makeing 180 to 250hp Its not like the 500+ in a mod and blowing the tires off.

I am not throwing big $$$$ at our car Yes we do have a nice car but that is threw a lot of work we do everything our selfs. We have been around a long time I have driven many diffrent tipes of cars from Minis to Mods.

Would it help the Minis if I was not there?

We have purchased a used modified we are planning on running some this year as a E-Mod just short on the funds to finish it at this time. I would park the Mini and just run the mod But, The problem I haveis I have sponcers who sined on for the year and are looking forword to a chance of a chanpionship I can not just quit on them.

Perry Colby

Ministock 5c

BMS

Ive got a friend pulling to meeker this weekend but I think if we can get at least one pit pass free I will bring at least 3 other cars with me to try it

JD The no rules works better on a small track like I-44 becouse the cars dont get strung out as bad. Did Colby run the car at I-44 Saturday? We look forward to seeing you at meeker soon.

Ministock05 All you can do is Give Mark a call the # is on the web site he might do somthing like some tow money I do not know. We would like to see some of you come and try it out.

It pays 200 to win and 50 for last in the feature

I hate to put a damper on this idea, since I started this thread, but Mark has been pretty steadfast about not paying tow money, and he has good reason (s). First , it wouldn't be fair to do it for one class and not another; second, you'd have to set a limit and no matter where you set it someone would feel left out, etc., etc. BUT look at it like this, with the car count as they are EVERYONE makes the "A". And we pay EVERYONE who takes the green flag in the "A", whether you finish on the track or on the trailer. There's a very good chance you'll at least get your entry money back, if not more.

But, by all means call Mark. Can't hurt to try.

Creek County has several mini-stocks and they always have. They use to have the "factory" mini and the outlaw mini. I do not know what their rules are, but they appear to have a good car count in that class each night.

Maybe the track promotor or "owners" need to get together and form what we had in the early 90's w/ Pro Stocks. We had the MAPS, MidAmerican Promoter Series. We could run in the city, Clinton, Clinton, Creek, Meeker, and Tulsa. Maybe that could be some answer.

I remember in the 90's when Meeker would put on a good show in the mini class. But all those guys are not racing now, other than Colby Jr.

I have raced mini stocks and now i race modifieds and i also do beleive tires can limit a big motor in a mini stock but pery you say 180 to 250 hp i think not we have had one making close to 400hp but if we were running the street tires we would never be able to put that to the ground but either way the only way we can come out is if its a run what you brung kind of motor rule maybe do it once a month or somthing like that and if it hapens we would be happy to come out with the modified and the mini or both minis

400 HP for a 2.3

I'm sorry I am not trying to be an instigator here but I can tell you right now that Gaerte Midget 4 cylinders barely make 400 HP and that is w/ major work and 4 seperate fuel injectors and gobs of money in parts.

The Esslinger bad boy 2.3 crate motor w/ alluminum cnc ported head and a big Roller Cam and all the light weight parts offered produces 215 HP. So to give you an idea of what you got to do to get over 200 HP at the flywheel on one of these is not cheap.

I will be at Meeker at least twice before the year is over. The biggest problem with Brill's track compared to CCS or I-44 speedway is it is a bigger track and requires a different gear. When I do go up there I have to either throw a completely different rear end(by the way I am looking for a 3.27 rear end if anyone has one) or back off big time because I am geared for CCS 1/4 mile as is I-44 racers.

I would like to just get a quickchange but your talking $1500 I'd rather spend on other stuff let alone I know Jim won't let me run that and Mark probably wouldn't let us run that.

I wouldn't mind a traveling series like the Oklahoma Outlaw Pony Association. OOPA that would be cool, and just travel to all the tracks but that would be expensive w/ gas prices the way they are.

The biggest thing I think Mark could do is setup events w/ Jim at CCS and blend the rules together since CCS is pretty close to Brill in rules(except port polish, weight jacks, and floater rear-ends and tires)

It takes time to build a class up and Brill will have a big Mini class eventually, there just probably isn't enough cars in the area just yet and the track is just starting to get going.

I would like to reiterate that Brill's rules are probably the biggest thing holding him back but I will still race there just cause Mark is running an A class track.

no it wasnt cheep and the hp range that was told to us was what eslinger told us when we built it and it has the best of evrything but how bout this you want grudge racin you bring whatever you want we can have a lil race then

Here is a dyno sheet for the best Esslinger has to offer in a 2.3 motor or a 2.5 motor.

http://www.esslingeracing.com/crate-engine.htm

trust me but, even if you got the 2.3 block stroked out to 2700cc's + 5.9 Superlight Honda rods, superlight RaceEngineering forged Crank and Pistons, Tricked out .600 lift solid Roller Cam, Dry Sump oil pan, oversized valves, arca aluminum Essy head, with tri-y tuned header, efi intake ported to max, w/ a JBV Heads EFI spacer, Holley 350 worked by Earl Parker Jr.(legend ARCA carb guy) and Super Max Distributor. All the light pulleys. You might come close to 275 HP w/ a dang good dyno and tuner. For all that I just listed you would have an ARCA-4 cylinder motor that would cost somewhere around $10k to build. Not calling BS, just offering my opinion.

I like this thread, thought provoking positive posts about saving an affordable class from instinction - whatever "affordable" means now days.

Good job guys, hope you all are from different tracks around the state.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Ive got a 327 rearend

We need to make the class more "affordable" To do this you need to cut the motors back with out hurting durabilaty.

I believe we need to get common rules

Meeker and Creek are getting closer. The big one is the Ported Heads.

Maybe going to no porting or polishing at meeker would help. I believe this is where we could make the racing better and close the field up. The problem is it will cost the guys running at meeker now more money to build new heads. And you will have to tech it.

weight jacks cost $150 all 4 corners you can do the same thing with spring spacers. Not a big deal to me eather way I use them on the rear and solid spring spacers on the front I can take them out I do not care.

Tires use a Duramater and width rule (hoop) Dot rule stuped DOT Dirt Boss $110.00 Goodyear not DOT $85.00 Radials you can spend $200.00, Pulloffs 30.00 (if we can get enough)

Floater Rear for SAFETY no advantage 50lbs hevier than stock Mustang Rear

Brandon(mod024) and 48mini,

I do not have dyno # for my motors but I believe we are getting 185 to 195 out of our ported, flat tapit 2.3 and 200 to 210 out of our 2.5 Roller

How many people would be interested in a RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG RACE

If there are enough cars interested I will talk to Mark about maybe having a non points race in a month or so Bring What You Got and Lets Race.

you just about got our motor if you include all of that stuff but my grandpa just got home and instead of being stupid and stickin to my guns of what i have been told about the 400hp i asked him what it was and he said he calls it 400 cuz its as close as he can get but it is more like 320 and i would definelty bring it out if the aluminum heads and roller cams and 2.02 valves were legal or if it is a run what you brung type of racing or even if he goes to street tires with open motor we would be out evryweekend i love the track out at meeker but we dont have any reason to run out there anymore we just run the mod at ada so talk to mark and im sure if it goes run what you brung Danny Drake would be back and their cars would be back also

Where are you located? How much? Is it a 7.5? locked up? or do you just have a gear?

I agree w/ you Perry on pretty much everything you said. Every time my cousin(Chad Davis) runs his modified at Brill's I will be there. Because of CCS port n polish rule I won't have as much power. Now if you ask me about Mark's rules on the mini stocks I would say slowly phase it out. First off how many cars that consistently run at Meeker w/ ported and polished heads? There is a track in Alabama that has an Outlaw Pony class(Green Valley Speedway) that has very relaxed(open) rules, but the track has come up with an agreement on weight penalties.

Now they don't list the penalties but here's a run down from what my buddy was telling me that they have agreed upon.

2300 lbs for 2.3(any bore) 2400 lbs for 2.5(any bore) 2450 for anything else

Then they have penalties and deductions as followseveryone can come up w/ an agreed upon #)

Port n Polish +100

Roller + 50

Alluminum Head + 25 in front of firewall and  + 100

non-dirt radials and asphalt take/offs -50

long rods(anything longer than 5.2) + 25

I believe I have listed everything but the weights are for debate, but this track has no problems having huge showings of 40+ cars for special events and averages 15-20 cars in Late Model country.

100 bucks Im in Geronimo just outside of Lawton its 7.5 not locked yet and its the whole rearend