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November 22, 2025 at
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Posted By: RunWYB on November 20 2025 at 09:55:21 AM
Not disputing your numbers however the average number can get skewed by loss of tracks...
as late as 2000 Lincoln, Port Royal and Selinsgrove each had full fields on a saturday night and most places had a consolation race. So minimum of 72 sprintcars and closer to 84-90 each night. now they both for regular especially handicap show struggle for 24.
Additonally the holy grail Williamsgrove who no other track is allowed to run a 410 race against them well except for Port or face the death penaly of losing your speedweek date can't draw a full field on most friday nights.
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Hearing from a really good source Selinsgrove is out of the penalty box as far as a speed week show.
And the pa multi track series is really close to coming to fruition and this is exciting - especially the way the tracks are cooperating fully with one another.
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November 22, 2025 at
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Posted By: tenter on November 21 2025 at 02:04:20 PM
Yes, But they (Knoxville) also had big car counts back in the day. An average is just that , an avergae. I'm not arguing here man .
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I just wanted to point out that averages can skew how things appear. Keep in mind that High Limit added 60 some races in 2025 that had higher than average car counts. As we have more special races with higher counts, it masks the lower count weekly shows needed to ill ot the fields in those special shows.
A math example. Suppose I live on a street with 9 houses where the average cost is $400,000. If someone builds a $1,000,000 house at the end of the block, the new average is $460,000.
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November 22, 2025 at
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Posted By: egras on November 21 2025 at 03:52:56 PM
Actually, my point was that everything has inflated at a different rate with the average being 2.5-3%. Appliances have actually gone down in cost year over year for the past 30 years while groceries have gone up---significantly in the past 5 years for example. The average cost of a new car has increased at a rate of about 3.5% per year over the past 20 years. Sprint car engines, if the numbers are correct, have increased in the high 2%'s to low 3%'s. Nothing really out of bounds.
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The long and short of it is that 410 racing is pricing itself out of the market to be sustainable. If that isn't addressed, sprint car racing as we know it is going to change a lot- and not for the better.
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November 23, 2025 at
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Practical questions for those that know-
If the top wings on sprint cars were changed from 5'x5' to 4'x5', what would the effect be on the wear and tear on motors and other running gear?
If the right rear tire were say, 2" narrower, or one notch harder, same question.
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November 23, 2025 at
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Posted By: Murphy on November 23 2025 at 11:22:33 AM
Practical questions for those that know-
If the top wings on sprint cars were changed from 5'x5' to 4'x5', what would the effect be on the wear and tear on motors and other running gear?
If the right rear tire were say, 2" narrower, or one notch harder, same question.
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You seem like you've been around the block a time or three, I think you are one that knows.
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November 23, 2025 at
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Posted By: Murphy on November 22 2025 at 09:21:08 PM
I just wanted to point out that averages can skew how things appear. Keep in mind that High Limit added 60 some races in 2025 that had higher than average car counts. As we have more special races with higher counts, it masks the lower count weekly shows needed to ill ot the fields in those special shows.
A math example. Suppose I live on a street with 9 houses where the average cost is $400,000. If someone builds a $1,000,000 house at the end of the block, the new average is $460,000.
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They averaged 35 cars this year. So it didn't skew it too much compared to the national average .
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November 24, 2025 at
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Posted By: dmantx on November 21 2025 at 06:41:48 PM
TMS...6-7 laps to go:
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Looks like Sammy ran out of traction. Hard to hear/tell but seems like he was on the gas too hard on the restarts, maybe that doomed the tires.
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November 24, 2025 at
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Posted By: Murphy on November 23 2025 at 11:22:33 AM
Practical questions for those that know-
If the top wings on sprint cars were changed from 5'x5' to 4'x5', what would the effect be on the wear and tear on motors and other running gear?
If the right rear tire were say, 2" narrower, or one notch harder, same question.
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I'm just a fan but I know a couple people in the business. Anything that reduces stress on the drivetrain will save money in the end. Maybe a set of tires can go one more night. Maybe rebuild time is extended by 25 percent. Maybe the drive shaft and rear end make it another year. Would be interesting to hear from car owners. Mark Burch used to post on here years ago. He would have a lot of info.
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November 24, 2025 at
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I posted some things earlier on this, but what really is the reason to save the top level of sprint cars if they are slowed to the same speed as a 360 or less? Every body likes the 410's because thet are bad ass. If they run the same speed as the lower divisions why have them? Everyone can not compete at the top level of any sport.
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November 24, 2025 at
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Posted By: longtimefan on November 24 2025 at 01:45:31 PM
I posted some things earlier on this, but what really is the reason to save the top level of sprint cars if they are slowed to the same speed as a 360 or less? Every body likes the 410's because thet are bad ass. If they run the same speed as the lower divisions why have them? Everyone can not compete at the top level of any sport.
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You make a good point. The topic did take a swerve into that discussion area at one point, but I don't think that's what's being advocated for in this thread.
My thought is that the top level of 410 sprint car racing will be in trouble in a few years if the local 410 cars needed to fill out their fields dries up. The driving force causing local racing to diminish is escalating costs. In the past, the WoO has offered nothing more than lip service to the issues of cost containment. If High Limit simply mirrors the WoO, eventually they will be in the same place.
Now some have said the average car counts are holding steady. Not where I live in the upper plains. Some others have mentioned not where they live in PA, and in CA where 410's are fading away. Some say don't do anything, let them spend their money and those that "can't run with the big dogs can stay on the porch". Catchy phrase, but so was "run what ya brung". Whatever happens going forward, there needs to be change to keep our sport sustainable.
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