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SprintCarRace
September 18, 2025 at 09:51:05 AM
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I will give all the credit in the world to Stewart as a driver. A winner and champion in all types of cars. But he threw Schatz the second greatest sprint car driver under the bus. Something went amiss with the 15 team. Stewart blamed Schatz 100% for the problems, Stewart didn't/want to take any responsibility. 
 

If he had any respect for Schatz ,finish the year with him. Don’t throw him out right after the Nationals when he had races in his " home turf". Rico wasn't going anywhere.

I hope Schatz can come back in 2026 and get back to winning. He has some good years left.




saphead
September 18, 2025 at 12:33:26 PM
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Quote from TS: "We always let Donny run our program and that led us down a road we didn't want to be on." 

That's odd, did Donny choose to drop a Ford between the rails? 



bgtexpress
September 18, 2025 at 01:54:00 PM
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Posted By: SprintCarRace on September 18 2025 at 09:51:05 AM

I will give all the credit in the world to Stewart as a driver. A winner and champion in all types of cars. But he threw Schatz the second greatest sprint car driver under the bus. Something went amiss with the 15 team. Stewart blamed Schatz 100% for the problems, Stewart didn't/want to take any responsibility. 
 

If he had any respect for Schatz ,finish the year with him. Don’t throw him out right after the Nationals when he had races in his " home turf". Rico wasn't going anywhere.

I hope Schatz can come back in 2026 and get back to winning. He has some good years left.



I agree with you 100%. I like both men, but Smoke really dissed Donny yesterday. Sad to see after all the sucess they had together.




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Posted By: bgtexpress on September 18 2025 at 01:54:00 PM

I agree with you 100%. I like both men, but Smoke really dissed Donny yesterday. Sad to see after all the sucess they had together.



I'd say he hit Donny with the bus and then backed up to get him another time or two.  I don't doubt it was time to shake things up and maybe Donny wasn't leading the team the way he needed to, but no need to start airing the dirty laundry in public.  That's not Tony's nature and he tends to light things on fire on his way out the door.  Watch out Leah, Matt and Rico......



Gooch
September 18, 2025 at 04:06:09 PM
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This message was edited on September 18, 2025 at 04:06:49 PM by Gooch

TSR ultimately got what it wanted. It was no secret Tony and WOO haven't seen eye to eye for sometime. This goes back to the T-Shirt trailers at Volusia when he owned the All Stars. The only reason that car has been on the WOO trail after High Limit started is because that is where Donny wanted it to be. When Donny was let go, it was no shock that car went to High Limit. It will also not be a shock when all Eldora events go to High Limit. 

Will Donny fine another ride, who knows. I hope he does becuase he at least deserves to have one final goodbye tour. If not, I am sure he will enjoy being around home and watching his neices race some more. Hell the fans up here would be more than happy to see him running his late model locally weekly. 



EasyE
September 18, 2025 at 04:10:04 PM
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Posted By: Gooch on September 18 2025 at 04:06:09 PM

TSR ultimately got what it wanted. It was no secret Tony and WOO haven't seen eye to eye for sometime. This goes back to the T-Shirt trailers at Volusia when he owned the All Stars. The only reason that car has been on the WOO trail after High Limit started is because that is where Donny wanted it to be. When Donny was let go, it was no shock that car went to High Limit. It will also not be a shock when all Eldora events go to High Limit. 

Will Donny fine another ride, who knows. I hope he does becuase he at least deserves to have one final goodbye tour. If not, I am sure he will enjoy being around home and watching his neices race some more. Hell the fans up here would be more than happy to see him running his late model locally weekly. 



WOO will be at Eldora. Too much money to be made there.




RunWYB
September 18, 2025 at 06:21:23 PM
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I think back to mr. bob weikert 0 wins would have moved on sooner, Dennis Roth, guy forbrook, Al Hamilton etc...

im not debating the manner - but man this is sprint car racing and performance matters....not debating who is culpable here for lack of performance.

Not debating whether Tony may have been influenced here - but Donnie has not been super pleasant for months in interviews and very uncharacteristically really negative.



dsc1600
September 18, 2025 at 09:26:34 PM
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Stewart bashed Schatz even more in an interview with Jeremy Elliot on his website this week. Ridiculous amount of bad blood for all the success they've had. 



highspeeddirt
September 18, 2025 at 09:31:45 PM
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The tsr 15 didn't all the sudden start winning races after they dumped schatz. A lot of folks want to bust on donny but the results are the same with Madsen. 




Rodneyincanad
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Who is running the team today with Madsen as the driver.

 



hardon
September 18, 2025 at 10:45:37 PM
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Posted By: SprintCarRace on September 18 2025 at 09:51:05 AM

I will give all the credit in the world to Stewart as a driver. A winner and champion in all types of cars. But he threw Schatz the second greatest sprint car driver under the bus. Something went amiss with the 15 team. Stewart blamed Schatz 100% for the problems, Stewart didn't/want to take any responsibility. 
 

If he had any respect for Schatz ,finish the year with him. Don’t throw him out right after the Nationals when he had races in his " home turf". Rico wasn't going anywhere.

I hope Schatz can come back in 2026 and get back to winning. He has some good years left.



To be fair.  Tony Stewarts initial public response to the split was something along the lines of both being competitors and things not going the way either one of them liked and making the change now gives both of them a head start on 2026, making it sound like a mutual split.  It was then Donny Schatz who said it was like a gut punch getting that news, which confirmed it wasn't Donny Schatz decision for the split.  Since then there hasn't been a lot of positive things said about Stewart.  In my opinion this was a thing Schatz opened this can of worms and Stewart just amped it up.

I obviously have no idea what happened but if what Stewart said is true, he's an idiot.  According to him he "let Schatz run the whole program, which brought them down a road that they didn't to be on" but then says "we tried, we gave him everything he wanted".  Who gave him what he wanted?  I thought Schatz was running the program?  Then he goes on to say how Rico can continue to run his program under Tony Stewart's name.  Didn't he learn from Schatz that wasn't a smart idea?  If I'm a sponsor why would I want to hand you millions of dollars if you're not going to have anything to do with it?  And especially since his track record shows that he has no idea how to fix things once they start going wrong.

Some things I find interesting about Tony Stewart are.  First, I remember reading about twenty years ago somewhere that he wanted Danny Lasoski to retire with him and if Tony Stewart quit sprint car racing he would sell the entire operation to him for $1.  Second he wanted Steve Kinser to retire with him, which happened but I've never heard Steve Kinser say really anything about him, which makes me wonder if Steve Kinser really like him or just was happy to have him pay the bills?  Then he said the same thing about Donny Schatz wanting him to retire with him, we all know how that worked out.  Another thing I think is interesting is that many people in the NASCAR world have good things to say about him but outside of that, if they're not working with him, they don't say much about him.

Personally I think Tony Stewart is one of the greatest drivers to have ever lived.  I think Tony Stewart also believes this.  But beyond that, I think he's an arrogant asshole who's done nothing but spend money.  How has he improved sprint car racing?  Is he a great owner?  He's always hired great drivers and great crew chiefs and then firing them when the performance wasn't there.  He's never turned a driver nobody else saw into something.  I'll admit he turned Eldora into something next level however when he's done with that, I'm guessing that track will get bulldozed because he won't sell it to anyone at a decent price.  But every time things have been going well in all of his ventures, he's front and center.  When things aren't going well, he's no where to be found.  When money can't fix it he doesn't seem to have the answers.



Shortie1
September 19, 2025 at 07:26:25 AM
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Posted By: hardon on September 18 2025 at 10:45:37 PM

To be fair.  Tony Stewarts initial public response to the split was something along the lines of both being competitors and things not going the way either one of them liked and making the change now gives both of them a head start on 2026, making it sound like a mutual split.  It was then Donny Schatz who said it was like a gut punch getting that news, which confirmed it wasn't Donny Schatz decision for the split.  Since then there hasn't been a lot of positive things said about Stewart.  In my opinion this was a thing Schatz opened this can of worms and Stewart just amped it up.

I obviously have no idea what happened but if what Stewart said is true, he's an idiot.  According to him he "let Schatz run the whole program, which brought them down a road that they didn't to be on" but then says "we tried, we gave him everything he wanted".  Who gave him what he wanted?  I thought Schatz was running the program?  Then he goes on to say how Rico can continue to run his program under Tony Stewart's name.  Didn't he learn from Schatz that wasn't a smart idea?  If I'm a sponsor why would I want to hand you millions of dollars if you're not going to have anything to do with it?  And especially since his track record shows that he has no idea how to fix things once they start going wrong.

Some things I find interesting about Tony Stewart are.  First, I remember reading about twenty years ago somewhere that he wanted Danny Lasoski to retire with him and if Tony Stewart quit sprint car racing he would sell the entire operation to him for $1.  Second he wanted Steve Kinser to retire with him, which happened but I've never heard Steve Kinser say really anything about him, which makes me wonder if Steve Kinser really like him or just was happy to have him pay the bills?  Then he said the same thing about Donny Schatz wanting him to retire with him, we all know how that worked out.  Another thing I think is interesting is that many people in the NASCAR world have good things to say about him but outside of that, if they're not working with him, they don't say much about him.

Personally I think Tony Stewart is one of the greatest drivers to have ever lived.  I think Tony Stewart also believes this.  But beyond that, I think he's an arrogant asshole who's done nothing but spend money.  How has he improved sprint car racing?  Is he a great owner?  He's always hired great drivers and great crew chiefs and then firing them when the performance wasn't there.  He's never turned a driver nobody else saw into something.  I'll admit he turned Eldora into something next level however when he's done with that, I'm guessing that track will get bulldozed because he won't sell it to anyone at a decent price.  But every time things have been going well in all of his ventures, he's front and center.  When things aren't going well, he's no where to be found.  When money can't fix it he doesn't seem to have the answers.



The cost are the same to run 1st or 10th on Woo or HL. If in the field Larson Day Timms and Rico are favorites. Only one really available was Rico and He is the most popular and his marketing and interview skills are probably the best of any. The HL and WOO have brought some of the best racing this year but the attendance at the races favor WOO . THe announcers seem to hype the real numbers when broadcasting . Time to move on Donnie was the best as was Steve Sammy and Doug.I read in one of Dougs interviews that He deserved to be fired as He was hired to win WOO championship and Knoxville Nationals and was 2nd.Tony has done a lot for and in racing . Donny will get a ride for remander of season as He has respect from his years of clean driving and results and can still win . He is a good business man and could field his own team as He has before. 




onporch
September 19, 2025 at 08:05:01 AM
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Posted By: SprintCarRace on September 18 2025 at 09:51:05 AM

I will give all the credit in the world to Stewart as a driver. A winner and champion in all types of cars. But he threw Schatz the second greatest sprint car driver under the bus. Something went amiss with the 15 team. Stewart blamed Schatz 100% for the problems, Stewart didn't/want to take any responsibility. 
 

If he had any respect for Schatz ,finish the year with him. Don’t throw him out right after the Nationals when he had races in his " home turf". Rico wasn't going anywhere.

I hope Schatz can come back in 2026 and get back to winning. He has some good years left.



Something that I haven't seen brought up here is the recent Ricky Warner appearance at Knoxville.      Ricky worked on Donny's car one night at the nationals last month.    They did really well that night and Donny passed a lot of cars.     Within a week, Donny was let go.       Ricky will be back with TSR full time next year.   I also recently learned that it was Donny's choice to get rid of Ricky a few years ago.      

I think this could simply be a Donny versus Ricky thing.   Tony sided with Donny for a few years (maybe one year too long) and now he wants to go back to Ricky.

I like hearing both Tony and Donny speak because it is usually quite interesting and they mostly speak their minds so yeah.. some feeling could get hurt.

I am hoping for a new 15 / 24 rivalry and I wish them all luck !



Nick14
September 19, 2025 at 09:05:58 AM
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Posted By: hardon on September 18 2025 at 10:45:37 PM

To be fair.  Tony Stewarts initial public response to the split was something along the lines of both being competitors and things not going the way either one of them liked and making the change now gives both of them a head start on 2026, making it sound like a mutual split.  It was then Donny Schatz who said it was like a gut punch getting that news, which confirmed it wasn't Donny Schatz decision for the split.  Since then there hasn't been a lot of positive things said about Stewart.  In my opinion this was a thing Schatz opened this can of worms and Stewart just amped it up.

I obviously have no idea what happened but if what Stewart said is true, he's an idiot.  According to him he "let Schatz run the whole program, which brought them down a road that they didn't to be on" but then says "we tried, we gave him everything he wanted".  Who gave him what he wanted?  I thought Schatz was running the program?  Then he goes on to say how Rico can continue to run his program under Tony Stewart's name.  Didn't he learn from Schatz that wasn't a smart idea?  If I'm a sponsor why would I want to hand you millions of dollars if you're not going to have anything to do with it?  And especially since his track record shows that he has no idea how to fix things once they start going wrong.

Some things I find interesting about Tony Stewart are.  First, I remember reading about twenty years ago somewhere that he wanted Danny Lasoski to retire with him and if Tony Stewart quit sprint car racing he would sell the entire operation to him for $1.  Second he wanted Steve Kinser to retire with him, which happened but I've never heard Steve Kinser say really anything about him, which makes me wonder if Steve Kinser really like him or just was happy to have him pay the bills?  Then he said the same thing about Donny Schatz wanting him to retire with him, we all know how that worked out.  Another thing I think is interesting is that many people in the NASCAR world have good things to say about him but outside of that, if they're not working with him, they don't say much about him.

Personally I think Tony Stewart is one of the greatest drivers to have ever lived.  I think Tony Stewart also believes this.  But beyond that, I think he's an arrogant asshole who's done nothing but spend money.  How has he improved sprint car racing?  Is he a great owner?  He's always hired great drivers and great crew chiefs and then firing them when the performance wasn't there.  He's never turned a driver nobody else saw into something.  I'll admit he turned Eldora into something next level however when he's done with that, I'm guessing that track will get bulldozed because he won't sell it to anyone at a decent price.  But every time things have been going well in all of his ventures, he's front and center.  When things aren't going well, he's no where to be found.  When money can't fix it he doesn't seem to have the answers.



I don't think the original announcement made it sound like it was a mutual split. It made it sound like the move had the best of intentions with giving everyone an opportunity to find something in 2024 BUT, Tony was the one who went on podcasts first (forget if it was winged nation or one of the others) and said things along the lines of "Donny hasn't been happy for awhile" and "We've made all of these changes for Donny" and "Donny wasn't happy with the engines after 2018 so I was like, we are part of the Ford program and Roush had a 360 program, blah blah blah, and now have 3+million dollars invested in a motor program with nothing to show for it." It wasn't until AFTER that when Donny started talking and the most telling thing he said to me was. "I haven't talked to Tony in months." Follow that up with last year when Kevin Harvick was talking about Tony closing SHR up and he said even being Tony's friend that, "Tony is a hands off owner. He is not someone that is going to be in the shop." 

To me I do not blame Donny at all and agree with you that Tony is one of the greatest drivers, I have been a fan of his but yes like you said he is an arrogant a-hole. To me this whole thing is on him and I am not buying that it was Donny's idea to put Ford between the rails considering Tony had made the move to Ford years before that and I do not think Donny's complaint after winning 4-5 championships in a row, however many 20+ win seasons was that they needed to do a 180 and change the engine program from scratch. To me this whole thing is on Tony being a terrible manager/boss. 



RunWYB
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Posted By: hardon on September 18 2025 at 10:45:37 PM

To be fair.  Tony Stewarts initial public response to the split was something along the lines of both being competitors and things not going the way either one of them liked and making the change now gives both of them a head start on 2026, making it sound like a mutual split.  It was then Donny Schatz who said it was like a gut punch getting that news, which confirmed it wasn't Donny Schatz decision for the split.  Since then there hasn't been a lot of positive things said about Stewart.  In my opinion this was a thing Schatz opened this can of worms and Stewart just amped it up.

I obviously have no idea what happened but if what Stewart said is true, he's an idiot.  According to him he "let Schatz run the whole program, which brought them down a road that they didn't to be on" but then says "we tried, we gave him everything he wanted".  Who gave him what he wanted?  I thought Schatz was running the program?  Then he goes on to say how Rico can continue to run his program under Tony Stewart's name.  Didn't he learn from Schatz that wasn't a smart idea?  If I'm a sponsor why would I want to hand you millions of dollars if you're not going to have anything to do with it?  And especially since his track record shows that he has no idea how to fix things once they start going wrong.

Some things I find interesting about Tony Stewart are.  First, I remember reading about twenty years ago somewhere that he wanted Danny Lasoski to retire with him and if Tony Stewart quit sprint car racing he would sell the entire operation to him for $1.  Second he wanted Steve Kinser to retire with him, which happened but I've never heard Steve Kinser say really anything about him, which makes me wonder if Steve Kinser really like him or just was happy to have him pay the bills?  Then he said the same thing about Donny Schatz wanting him to retire with him, we all know how that worked out.  Another thing I think is interesting is that many people in the NASCAR world have good things to say about him but outside of that, if they're not working with him, they don't say much about him.

Personally I think Tony Stewart is one of the greatest drivers to have ever lived.  I think Tony Stewart also believes this.  But beyond that, I think he's an arrogant asshole who's done nothing but spend money.  How has he improved sprint car racing?  Is he a great owner?  He's always hired great drivers and great crew chiefs and then firing them when the performance wasn't there.  He's never turned a driver nobody else saw into something.  I'll admit he turned Eldora into something next level however when he's done with that, I'm guessing that track will get bulldozed because he won't sell it to anyone at a decent price.  But every time things have been going well in all of his ventures, he's front and center.  When things aren't going well, he's no where to be found.  When money can't fix it he doesn't seem to have the answers.



just for perspective on this:

"But every time things have been going well in all of his ventures, he's front and center.  When things aren't going well, he's no where to be found.  When money can't fix it he doesn't seem to have the answers"

i could be wrong but during the 15's most dominant years -----Tony was no where to be found because he was either racing his own 14 or running the All-Stars.....heck his tshirt beef with WoO kept him away from WoO shows and therefore the 15.

He is admittedly and confirmed by others who worked for him whether right or wrong, a hands off boss........ 




RunWYB
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Posted By: Shortie1 on September 19 2025 at 07:26:25 AM

The cost are the same to run 1st or 10th on Woo or HL. If in the field Larson Day Timms and Rico are favorites. Only one really available was Rico and He is the most popular and his marketing and interview skills are probably the best of any. The HL and WOO have brought some of the best racing this year but the attendance at the races favor WOO . THe announcers seem to hype the real numbers when broadcasting . Time to move on Donnie was the best as was Steve Sammy and Doug.I read in one of Dougs interviews that He deserved to be fired as He was hired to win WOO championship and Knoxville Nationals and was 2nd.Tony has done a lot for and in racing . Donny will get a ride for remander of season as He has respect from his years of clean driving and results and can still win . He is a good business man and could field his own team as He has before. 



short precise and to the point.....this is sprint car racing it is tough and often very emotional......

i think somewhere above someone mentioned the breakup with the Dude.  I have always loved the Dude; however, i'm not naive enough to forget the Dude even as one of the best personalities and great guys went postal with his father and nephew.  The Dude, and Tony are outwardly intense individuals........I believe Donnie has controlled the outward emotions and really made that corporate approach popular and a page Rico is following.  However, to think Donnie is any less an intense competitor would be fool hearted.  Listening to his knoxville interviews certainly did not give off any impressions of warm and fuzzy feelings.

the 15 had an incredible dynasty like run - unfortunately like most dynasties when success begins to falter some - social media and streaming exponentially have made the fall from dominance in this case harder and louder and internet fodder..

 



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This message was edited on September 19, 2025 at 03:23:45 PM by sw1911

To me the tell was when he said Rico would be there day in day out leading the team. That seemed to be saying Donny's flying home and showing up on race day, combined with the winless record, was not acceptable. It was a fish or cut bait moment. The sooner you cut the cord, the sooner it stops bleeding. I understand why he did what he did when he did it. If the hands off owner angle is true, Donny was not trying to be the team leader that that required,and Rico demonstrated that he would. Makes perfect sense. 


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RunWYB
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Something that I haven't seen brought up here is the recent Ricky Warner appearance at Knoxville.      Ricky worked on Donny's car one night at the nationals last month.    They did really well that night and Donny passed a lot of cars.     Within a week, Donny was let go.       Ricky will be back with TSR full time next year.   I also recently learned that it was Donny's choice to get rid of Ricky a few years ago.      

I think this could simply be a Donny versus Ricky thing.   Tony sided with Donny for a few years (maybe one year too long) and now he wants to go back to Ricky.

I like hearing both Tony and Donny speak because it is usually quite interesting and they mostly speak their minds so yeah.. some feeling could get hurt.

I am hoping for a new 15 / 24 rivalry and I wish them all luck !



Interesting and just more layers to this onion.   For me the age old adage of all good and in this case great things must come to end sooner or later comes to mind.....18 years is remarkable in the emotional world of Sprint Car racing.




luxxy58
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on less I missed it ,I don't recall Donny throwing Tony under the bus has bad has Tony did him.Lost respect for Tony after all his comments,



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Posted By: luxxy58 on September 19 2025 at 05:50:57 PM

on less I missed it ,I don't recall Donny throwing Tony under the bus has bad has Tony did him.Lost respect for Tony after all his comments,



I'd say the gut punch remark said it all. Its just sad they were not communicating, although Tony has been busy with family and that stupid straight line racing. If they were talking Donny could have engineered a smooth exit. 


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