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Someone please explain why Vado was concelled and not rescheduled for tonight?  Thats a long haul for teams and fans and the big money on the 2nd night.  Right now it's 85 degrees and the sun is shinning bright.  Why not try better to make the show? 

I don't know any specifics, but I'm sure if it were possible, they would have done it.  I've heard that question asked a million times about other tracks/events as well.  I know the now defunct local track in our area had ALL part-time staff.  So, "simply" rescheduling wasn't an option without being able to line up all employees, etc.  I don't think it's always as simple to make these things happen as everyone thinks----there are a lot of variables.  If it was possible to make it happen, they had the employees to work the track, they thought the field would stick around, and they could pull in a crowd big enough to make it a profitable event, of course they would have done it.  Obviously, one or more of these things was a sticking point.  I don't know why everyone continues to question these decisions like track owners and promoters are a bunch of dumbasses.  

Apparently it isn't "possible" for WoO to schedule a Sunday rain date.      This is an area where High Limit can distinguished themselves and this one is low hanging fruit.      High Limit schedules Sunday rain dates.   They had a rain date scheduled for this past Sunday.    

I appreciate that High Limit is helping legitimize our sport by respecting events enough to plan ahead so that the show can go on.  

Rescheduling races is a tough call especially to Sunday as work and school enter in. The purse stays same and probably food has already factored in. Hussets makes Sunday work and Nascar is mostly Sundays but tough call. Always easy to second guess!

Rescheduling a race for the next night is certainly possible for the WoO---they've done it this year.  It doesn't mean it's possible for every event.  Our local track stopped Sunday make up dates for its weekly shows due to lower attendance, trouble getting employees on the make up date, and cars running other tracks on Sunday.  That was a weekly show.  Now imagine, as a promoter, having that in the back of your mind with a national touring series on your books.  

The stars need to align for a "simple" Sunday make up show to happen.  At all of these events, you can be sure if there was an opportunity for them to put on a show, and all parties not lose their asses, IT WOULD BE DONE!!!!  Do you think they're just doing it to screw you?    

Having raindate for last Sunday is different than scheduleing at the last minute. The Sunday raindate for the Tuscarora Fifty is a long standing tradition and is on the schedule when it is released in Dec. or Jan. Most of the fair vendors also stay for it then. Also when it is announced before ticket sales then the track not obligated to return money if the raindate is used.

Spot on - can't argue when Port Royal put the rain date on the schedule but they did.  Additionally the only show with a raindate is the Saturday event which is Port Royals event their rules etc.  

port royal views the T-50 as their most profitable event as it is the most popular event on their schedule.

Interestingly enough the thread regarding t-50 and Knoxville winners brought up the year weather moved the T-50 to October with WoO support. Atmosphere and attendance were considerably less.

well this was the nail in the coffin so to speak for WoO at port royal. Port wanted an earlier date not the weather fickle month of October WoO did not.

Port by this time had positioned themselves so very well....where they believed they did not need sanctioning support of a sanctioning body to make the T-50/ a success.

high limit needing a shot in the arm hooked their wagons to the T-50 despite it not being their rules.

Yessir.  Add 2 WoO sanctioned events to this list--the King's Royal and Knoxville Nationals.  Both would have been run on Sunday or Monday for that matter.  Both have the exact same situation as the Tusky---sanctioned by a series, but run by their own rules.  Both have vendors who are setup for the entire show.  Both sold essentially all of their tickets prior to the event taking place.  

So, comparing what the HL did by running on Sunday, to the random 1 night show run on a Saturday night by the WoO, is ridiculous.  Most tickets to these events are sold the day of the show.  Additionally, if you purchase a ticket prior, and it's rained out, you can call and get your money back---even if it's rescheduled.  (I did so with the Angell Park WoO show this year)  If I were a promoter, track, or sanctioning body, it would take an act of God for me to schedule a Sunday make-up event for one of these shows.  (unless I won the lottery and enjoyed hemorrhaging money)  

I can't find the same disdain you posted for the 10 rainouts that hl had this year that didn't get rescheduled.... including Vado in April.   

Yes there have been rainouts this season on the HL tour.    There have also been examples of them making an effort to get the show in. 

HL Fremont - postponed until 7/14
HL Lawrenceburg - postponed until 9/17
HL 141 - postponed until 6/5
HL Rain dates for shows like last weekend.

These rain dates and make ups (for regular HL shows) are good things right ?    They are getting the show in for fans and race teams and putting content on Flo.     As a subscriber, I appreciate that and I feel like I am spending my money on the right service. 

The Tuesday night Vado HL show was actually cancelled due to high winds.   They were unable to reschedule for the next night due to high winds in the forecast.       It was a completely difference situation than the recent 2 night WoO show with Sunday ultimately available and sunny.  Unfortunately the Desert Showdown finale,  the biggest sprint car race of the year in New Mexico didn't even happen which is why this thread was started.  

Maybe the Outlaws have been making a big effort to get their regular shows in this season and I have just been missing it.    If so, please discuss and give examples.        

There are creative ways to get the show in if you make an effort.     There was a Williams Grove National Open that had to be held on a Sunday (while everybody was already here).      They reduced the winner's pay to $25,000.   The race went on and the sky didn't fall.     The only one that even noticed the lower $ amount was Danny Dietrich.         So why not schedule a Sunday rain date with the stipulation that there will be a reduced purse ?      That provides some protection while giving everybody what they came to see.

 I think we can all agree that there have been too many rainouts and cancellations this season.     Hopefully both series will do more planning ahead.          If not, I expect the rainout policy will be questioned a "million" more times.     

Let's go racing.

I think there is a huge difference in logistics from a rain date the day after and rescheduling. Both have their pros and cons but rescheduling only works if you are in the vaccinity again this season.

WoO race in Angell Park, WI was called due to wet conditions in June as I was on the way to the event.  Rescheduled for October.  So, obviously Angell Park Speedway thought there is still an opportunity to hold a profitable event and chose to bring the WoO back for an even later in the season.  Since this show was on a Sunday night, are you suggesting it would have been a great financial decision to reschedule for Monday night?  ( because that would have been a terrible idea and I doubt they would get 1/2 of their staff to work the event)

Lots of reasons have been given as to why tracks don't, or simply cannot reschedule these events.  So, since you cannot seem to absorb these ideas into your brain, I guess I would like to ask you:  What do you think is the reason these events aren't rescheduled for the next night?  You obviously think its some sort of conspiracy against you, the fan.  So, why don't they reschedule, and what are they gaining by cancelling and not rescheduling an event?  What?  You obviously have this ridiculous notion that they have something to gain by hauling all of their gear to a track and then cancelling, so I would like to start with what you think this gains them?