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My thought exactly. What "if " it would of cost him the win..... 

Didnt see Gravel acting like that at Husets when the door swung open and caused serious damage to his car

I sure wish the WOO would communicate with the fans on all the recent controversies. How about releasing some statements? 

What about their reasoning with the yellow and the recent woo official fight up in WI and their stance on flagman signals? Is it ok for us to be fine with silence?  I'd rather be kept informed.  And many major sports organizations release details on fines and penalties. Part of their full disclosure philosophy. 

For some reason, WRG/WoO behaves differently than other sanctioning bodies when it comes to fines and penalties.

WoO would rather be the LAST to announce fines and penalties against their own drivers.    An example is last year when Reutzel got caught cheating and ultimately lost his Roth ride.    WoO let him race that night, didn't mention it,  and waited 3 or 4 days to release a statement.    By then everybody else was talking about it so they had no choice but to address it.   

WRG is a private company.    They can do whatever they want.  And they do.  If we expect them to be honest, consistent, fair, and straightforward we will likely be disappointed.         

<<  They can do whatever they want.  >>

Yes they can.  And so can the fans, drivers, car owners, streaming services, and other competing racing organizations.  

I think we can all agree that the next few years are going to be quite interesting indeed.

If it is none of our business then why do you keep calling for suspensions, you have no skin in the game just a lot of hot air.

BTW what do you think about Larson being DQ'ed for cheating on monday night at IRP. I think he should be suspended from everything but nascar for a month. He is a cheater now.

I disagree, to a point. The court of public opinion is basically the ticket buying fans. Consequently, the ticket buying public is one of the parties involved. There is a good arguemnt to be made that the WoO needs to not be perceived in the same realm as professional wrastlin'.

The WoO is quite aware of their repuation, etc. It's all about perceptions and branding at that level in order to keep the product value up. At this point, WoO is no longer a racing organization as much as it is a corporation for the benefit of it's stockholders. This is what "taking sprint car racing to the next level" looks like. 

(( going to have large crowds over the next couple of years. ))

Probably so.  However growing healthy organizations look well beyond just a few years out.  Long term survival depends on thinking this way . 

My thoughts on the two recent incidents.  My first trip out to Cedar Lake was around 1962.  If I had a buck for every time I've seen tempers flare out there I'd be a millionaire.  Typical short track temper flare up in hot weather when money and points are on the line.  I consider it a non-issue and don't feel a need to know anymore about the incident or those involved and any action taken by the sanction.  I seem to recall some damn good racing that night.

I was watching the All Stars the night of the notorious spin.  We have a lot of tracks up my way with open infilelds.  It's not unusual to see a stock car or modified spin out and be deemed clear of the action and no yellow is thrown.  It's also not unusual to see a driver who thought the yellow should have been thrown express their displeasure with the call.  From what I could see on the replay it was similar to what I have seen hundreds of times.  Driver spins in the infield, officials determine he is out of harms way and don't  throw a yellow.  Driver gets upset and expresses their anger in some of way often leading to some kind of confrontation.  
 

Things like this can and do happen.  The difference being this time that instead of a street stock racing for $100 it was a WoO driver racing for $10k and trying to avoid a dnf to retain their spot in the points standings.  My only involvement is whether I want to attend or watch from home on a streaming channel.  I still consider the Outlaws to be great entertainment and will devote some of my time to watching them or attending their races.  I don't expect anything more from the Outlaws than to be entertained for a few hours and don't care to know what goes on behind the scenes.  

Question for all those who are upset.  Are you going to skip the Knoxville Nationals in protest?  I didn't think so.   

Stan Meissner

Sales are good for Coca Cola right now too. They are very healthy right now. That doesn't mean that Coke isn't constantly trying to improve their profits and their image. 

What part of Texas, and how much?

Yep, they can do what they want.

I can do what I want as well, with my money and time.

I will not pay for monthly Dirtvision, or will I travel to races until things are explained,

There are plenty of other options now, plus with the new series coming this and next year.

Are you stuck in a world where there is no social media and transparency in sports?  Like good ol boys clubs still rule your world along with back door shady deals and closed door politics?  WTF man? I'm not hating on you, but you sure seem to think it is 1982 and not 2002.  ANd I say that from a place as a guy who is near 50 and totally thinks things were better (for most part) back in the 70s 80s 90s.  

well said

He knows this because he was there and saw it happen..... or wait he watched it on dirtvision.  

He couldn't complain.  The owner of the track owns his car.  LOL

I'm not a Haud backer at all but you've been just saying a lot!  Do you have an axe to gind with their team or him?  

Mountain / Mole Hill

Just Saying

I asked you some questions this morning, you you didn't answer them. Are you being a hypocrite again?

Thats ridiculous.

Where do you think their $$$ comes from? THE FANS!

Not that i really care about this particular incident, but fans have a right to know if the races are run fairly...

BStraw. I'm willing to bet you are the same person that would yell and scream for things like TB12 to give up his cell phone and prove he didnt conspire during deflategate, yet come on here and prech none of our business to things realted to WoO.  Are you a retired employee of WoO and part of some small dark circle of silent ownership we dont know about?