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Methanol
June 28, 2020 at 02:25:51 PM
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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 02:05:50 PM

The conflict of interest come into play is what if macedo is winning Larson is in 2nd and slows to let Macedo win so he gets the OWNER POINTS and also at the same time Blocks someone else from winning.  There can be so many ways Larson could CHEAT and other teams would be having Fits.  Kinser on the other Hand Owned the Cars and the teams there is No Conflict there he owned both of them.  Larson Driving for Stewart and Owning a  SEPERATE WOO Team is a Conflict from the get go and would never be allowed 



Wow, your comments just keeps proving my theory that 80% of people are idiots. You just happen to fit in the top 10% of that 80% that are just flat stupid. 

 

 



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June 28, 2020 at 02:29:32 PM
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Posted By: Methanol on June 28 2020 at 02:25:51 PM

Wow, your comments just keeps proving my theory that 80% of people are idiots. You just happen to fit in the top 10% of that 80% that are just flat stupid. 

 

 



WTF HUH??  Stupid??  Prove me wrong then go Mr I KNOW EVERYTHING Prove me wrong. ahead because the Stupidity of a WOO Team Owner driving for another team and it NOT being a Conflict Of Interest is STUPID.  That is a Disaster waiting to happen and the complications and problems it would cause are more than anyone can imagine.  Especially if the other Owners call foul and I guarantee it would happen



kooks
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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 02:05:50 PM

The conflict of interest come into play is what if macedo is winning Larson is in 2nd and slows to let Macedo win so he gets the OWNER POINTS and also at the same time Blocks someone else from winning.  There can be so many ways Larson could CHEAT and other teams would be having Fits.  Kinser on the other Hand Owned the Cars and the teams there is No Conflict there he owned both of them.  Larson Driving for Stewart and Owning a  SEPERATE WOO Team is a Conflict from the get go and would never be allowed 



You must have missed the time when Steve Kinser was driving a car owned by Tony Stewart on the WoO tour and he (Steve) owned his son's (Kraig) team that was also racing the WoO tour.

I don't remember there being any trouble with "conflict of interest" then and I doubt there would be if Larson drove a car for Stewart.     That said, if Larson drives for Stewart its likely going to be in Nascar.   

 




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June 28, 2020 at 04:21:35 PM
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Posted By: kooks on June 28 2020 at 03:59:00 PM

You must have missed the time when Steve Kinser was driving a car owned by Tony Stewart on the WoO tour and he (Steve) owned his son's (Kraig) team that was also racing the WoO tour.

I don't remember there being any trouble with "conflict of interest" then and I doubt there would be if Larson drove a car for Stewart.     That said, if Larson drives for Stewart its likely going to be in Nascar.   

 



Thats was a part time gig for Volusia it wasnt a full Outlaw Tour with points and Big Money involved and a possible Championship.  Like I said any who can prove me wrong that it isnt a conflict of interests than do it.  I know this is a conflict of interests if Larson Signs to do a COMPLETE OUTLAW TOUR with Stewart while he OWNS an Outlaw Team  also Im sure Both Kinser and Stewart had to go to WOO and ask permision and sign all sorts of waivers and papers to do it.  Hell the lawsuits alon could kill WOO from the other owners that is haw ludicris this could become



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Larsen driving the 57 against the 2 has always caused me to wonder about a conflict clause.

But the bigger dig is Tony racing his car in his tour at his track. 

Im not saying any IS a conflict, just amazing and sometimes hard to figure out, at least for a northerner.


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egras
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Posted By: Nick14 on June 28 2020 at 12:08:49 PM

I don't cheer for Donny to win, actually the opposite but I do respect his accomplishments. I didn't think what he said was really all that negative but more of a leadership message. This season & last season with everything going on Donny has been fairly positive about everything happening and trying to do his part but this past season, that team has not performed up to par. You can only encourage and pat people on the back and compliment them so much until eventually they just need a kick in the ass. If anyone on his team is offended or had any hurt feelings about it they can either fix the performance or go out the door. Although they have 2wins and are 2nd in the points, the results are not up to the standards that they are accustomed to. Even if Sweet & Schuchart have closed the gap. You don't win 10 championships & 10 Nationals by accepting the results that they have had. Donny has taken a lot in stride the past year & half but I think he might be getting to the point of if we're not going to get any better then some changes are going to be needed.

OR. It was just a joke to get a chuckle & ease some of the stress & tension that everyone might be under.



I feel the same way about Donny.  The only time I ever clapped for him was when he won the Knoxville Nationals from the B.  I dont cheer for him.  I cheer for the other guy.  But why?  He's so clean.  He does it the right way.  He's very professional even in defeat.  I've actually run into him by chance in public in Knoxville 2 times and he's a very polite human.  (At least in those 2 encounters).  Why don't more of us like Donny?  




Murphy
June 28, 2020 at 05:34:34 PM
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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 02:05:50 PM

The conflict of interest come into play is what if macedo is winning Larson is in 2nd and slows to let Macedo win so he gets the OWNER POINTS and also at the same time Blocks someone else from winning.  There can be so many ways Larson could CHEAT and other teams would be having Fits.  Kinser on the other Hand Owned the Cars and the teams there is No Conflict there he owned both of them.  Larson Driving for Stewart and Owning a  SEPERATE WOO Team is a Conflict from the get go and would never be allowed 



    Is that a whole different than NASCAR having competing stables of drivers?



Dryslick Willie
June 28, 2020 at 05:47:17 PM
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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 04:21:35 PM

Thats was a part time gig for Volusia it wasnt a full Outlaw Tour with points and Big Money involved and a possible Championship.  Like I said any who can prove me wrong that it isnt a conflict of interests than do it.  I know this is a conflict of interests if Larson Signs to do a COMPLETE OUTLAW TOUR with Stewart while he OWNS an Outlaw Team  also Im sure Both Kinser and Stewart had to go to WOO and ask permision and sign all sorts of waivers and papers to do it.  Hell the lawsuits alon could kill WOO from the other owners that is haw ludicris this could become



And I'm sure the WoO won't allow this unless you approve...



sprintfanatic
June 28, 2020 at 06:01:11 PM
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Posted By: Murphy on June 28 2020 at 05:34:34 PM

    Is that a whole different than NASCAR having competing stables of drivers?



Yes, I have yet to see team blocking, etc. in a sprint car race.

NASCAR is more like Roller Derby.  Once the jammers are out of the pack, the blockers go to work.

 




TheLatestDirt
June 28, 2020 at 06:18:22 PM
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I thought the ford would just drive itself right into victory lane. No need for a chassis even per some folks


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Nick14
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Posted By: egras on June 28 2020 at 04:44:39 PM

I feel the same way about Donny.  The only time I ever clapped for him was when he won the Knoxville Nationals from the B.  I dont cheer for him.  I cheer for the other guy.  But why?  He's so clean.  He does it the right way.  He's very professional even in defeat.  I've actually run into him by chance in public in Knoxville 2 times and he's a very polite human.  (At least in those 2 encounters).  Why don't more of us like Donny?  



Part of our society in some respects I guess. Look at great teams throughout history in sports: Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Canadiens, Red Wings, Yankees, Patriots, Earnhardt, Gordon, Johnson. All had their fanbases that pay a lot of money but a majority of league fanbase hates/hated them even though for a period of time they were the best but instead of being celebrated they were booed. Americans seem to have this whole facination of the underdog story because it relates to a mass majority of us. I remember when I started going to races Schatz was already the dominate driver so I didnt want to be considered a bandwagon fan so I picked someone else to follow. There are times when the underdog becomes the favorite because he starts winning, suddenly everyone forgets that connection they once had with said individual/team and they suddenly become the villan.

I remember at last years driver intros at the Nationals when Brad Sweet was announced I was taken a little aback when I heard some boos around me. I remember thinking WTH, this place erupting the year prior when he beat Schatz but the next year your booing him? Is this a policy of he already won one so I don't want him to win another for a while, the whole wait your turn philosophy? Or is it because he has won too much already that season so its someone elses turn to win a big event? I kind of chuckled and said to my buddy, I'm glad I jumped on the Sweet bandwagon a year prior to him winning the Nationals.



Dryslick Willie
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Posted By: TheLatestDirt on June 28 2020 at 06:18:22 PM

I thought the ford would just drive itself right into victory lane. No need for a chassis even per some folks



Yeah that's what we all heard.   I had also heard that the main concern was durability, but that it would be a powerhouse for sure.   I guess it is durable, or at least I haven't seen them blow one up while they're running 10th.   




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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 02:29:32 PM

WTF HUH??  Stupid??  Prove me wrong then go Mr I KNOW EVERYTHING Prove me wrong. ahead because the Stupidity of a WOO Team Owner driving for another team and it NOT being a Conflict Of Interest is STUPID.  That is a Disaster waiting to happen and the complications and problems it would cause are more than anyone can imagine.  Especially if the other Owners call foul and I guarantee it would happen



ok.... proof??  I do not offer proof... I offer fact....ask the #17 team of Sheldon who was driving their car for their first WOO win and they would say Kyle Larson who, at the time, owned the #2 driven by another driver in the same race.. pretty much exactly what you said they would never do.......



kooks
June 28, 2020 at 08:34:10 PM
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Posted By: NoDoors on June 28 2020 at 04:21:35 PM

Thats was a part time gig for Volusia it wasnt a full Outlaw Tour with points and Big Money involved and a possible Championship.  Like I said any who can prove me wrong that it isnt a conflict of interests than do it.  I know this is a conflict of interests if Larson Signs to do a COMPLETE OUTLAW TOUR with Stewart while he OWNS an Outlaw Team  also Im sure Both Kinser and Stewart had to go to WOO and ask permision and sign all sorts of waivers and papers to do it.  Hell the lawsuits alon could kill WOO from the other owners that is haw ludicris this could become



I could be wrong but I think Steve was in the TSR car all year and Kraig was in the SKR car all year, both of them on the WoO tour.   Steve finished 8th and Kraig 9th in points in 2014.



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Posted By: kooks on June 28 2020 at 08:34:10 PM

I could be wrong but I think Steve was in the TSR car all year and Kraig was in the SKR car all year, both of them on the WoO tour.   Steve finished 8th and Kraig 9th in points in 2014.



Correct. Frankly, i don't think WoO gives a rat's ass about "conflict of interest".

What they care about is cars on the track & butts in the seats, the more the merrier

Tony Stewart OWNING Allstars & competing in the series has got to be the ultimate conflict of interest,  & nobody seems to care about that either..




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Posted By: egras on June 28 2020 at 04:44:39 PM

I feel the same way about Donny.  The only time I ever clapped for him was when he won the Knoxville Nationals from the B.  I dont cheer for him.  I cheer for the other guy.  But why?  He's so clean.  He does it the right way.  He's very professional even in defeat.  I've actually run into him by chance in public in Knoxville 2 times and he's a very polite human.  (At least in those 2 encounters).  Why don't more of us like Donny?  



Make that 3 of us. His win from 21st was the greatest feat i ever saw on a dirt track.

Its all about rooting for the underdog. I've been hoping he does better, sad to see a guy who's been so great over the years slide into midpack status (not win, just make it interesting...)

A few people said Ricky Warner was not with him, others said he was.... what is it?

I'm a Ford fan, but it just doesn't seem so fast, at least at the moment

He usually picks up big time after Knoxville, but who knows this year, everything is so screwy...



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Posted By: kooks on June 28 2020 at 08:34:10 PM

I could be wrong but I think Steve was in the TSR car all year and Kraig was in the SKR car all year, both of them on the WoO tour.   Steve finished 8th and Kraig 9th in points in 2014.



2010 and then 2012-2014 Steve drove for TSR while Kraig drove for Steve. In the overall picture if the Outlaws say it's a conflict of interest as some may feel, all they have to say is it wasn't really a problem with Larson driving for Silva the past few years so why would it on a full time basis. Didn't have a problem the night he drove Stenhouse's car while he owned another car. WRG would look at it as, Kyle Larson wants to race full time with us? Cha ching $$$$.

Having said I don't think he will be in a TSR car. Most likely the Silva car, his own car, or similar  schedule to this year, or SHR. The article that spiked this interest made reference to AJ Foyt and an inquiry from Robin Miller about the Indy 500. With that said, I think he is thinking SHR. Something I found out recently was Tony is part owner of Rush Truck Centers. Interesting if you are an owner of the sponsor (or two with Haas) it's easier to allocate funds for your own reasons. I think chances are a little better for Larson to be in the 14 next year with Bowyer going to TV



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Posted By: Nick14 on June 28 2020 at 10:25:12 PM

2010 and then 2012-2014 Steve drove for TSR while Kraig drove for Steve. In the overall picture if the Outlaws say it's a conflict of interest as some may feel, all they have to say is it wasn't really a problem with Larson driving for Silva the past few years so why would it on a full time basis. Didn't have a problem the night he drove Stenhouse's car while he owned another car. WRG would look at it as, Kyle Larson wants to race full time with us? Cha ching $$$$.

Having said I don't think he will be in a TSR car. Most likely the Silva car, his own car, or similar  schedule to this year, or SHR. The article that spiked this interest made reference to AJ Foyt and an inquiry from Robin Miller about the Indy 500. With that said, I think he is thinking SHR. Something I found out recently was Tony is part owner of Rush Truck Centers. Interesting if you are an owner of the sponsor (or two with Haas) it's easier to allocate funds for your own reasons. I think chances are a little better for Larson to be in the 14 next year with Bowyer going to TV



I'm not even sure Larson going to SHR and driving the 14 car would make it worth watching NASCAR again.   Larson was the only reason I'd watch NASCAR the last few years, and if he wasn't in contention at any given race I lost interest and quit watching.   I've quit watching totally now, especially given recent events and the overall stupidity of it.   Between that and the changes they're making in the cars next year even having Larson there again probably won't interest me. 




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^^^^^ totally agree



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Posted By: kooks on June 28 2020 at 08:34:10 PM

I could be wrong but I think Steve was in the TSR car all year and Kraig was in the SKR car all year, both of them on the WoO tour.   Steve finished 8th and Kraig 9th in points in 2014.



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