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Topic: Toyota Racing Development is designing a 410 and 360 engine for 2021
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December 14, 2019 at
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I saw online this week from PRI, the Toyota midget engines have eclipsed the $60,000 price point. Not good as a whole. Like I say, take the likes of Stewart and Bell away from sprint car racing, and I dont see either Ford or Toyota developing these motors. Its to protect their brands and affiliation with their respective contracted drivers and owners. I am most interested in watching Toyota navigate this, as out of everyone, I think they have the most potential to possibly go after a larger market in all dirt racing as a whole. They have a notoriously succesful supply chain, and progressive/lean way of competing in open markets. If Toyota used this as a segway into developing a crate motor for the mod markets and the likes, at a price point close to Chevrolets.... I could see them taking over and making it a profitable program. Say what you will, but they are a smart company with high margins and good products, they dont do anything half-a$$ed if they commit.
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December 14, 2019 at
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Is this a good place to ask whatever happened to the Mopar engine?
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December 14, 2019 at
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Anyone consider that Ford and Toyota might be doing this to show a loss for tax purposes?
Throwing cash into a program that will never pay for itself
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December 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: SprintFan19 on December 14 2019 at 11:40:42 AM
Anyone consider that Ford and Toyota might be doing this to show a loss for tax purposes?
Throwing cash into a program that will never pay for itself
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Exactly, that is why Ford Motor Company introduced the Edsel brand. 
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December 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: SprintFan19 on December 14 2019 at 11:40:42 AM
Anyone consider that Ford and Toyota might be doing this to show a loss for tax purposes?
Throwing cash into a program that will never pay for itself
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Raise your hand if you don't understand how tax write-offs work.
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December 15, 2019 at
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Posted By: bgtexpress on December 13 2019 at 08:39:03 AM
The price of a Toyota midget engine just about killed the long running ARDC club on the east coast....Amazing how much money is spent to run the Chilli Bowl.....hundreds of midgets run one race a year, then.... poof, they all disappear back into garages, never to be seen again until the following January.....Wonder what long term effect this will have on sprint car racing in terms of costs?
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The problem is, you can say "the price of _____________________(insert engine, component or chassis here) just about killed the _________________________(insert every series in motorsports here) and you would have a valid statement.
Racing is expensive. It's never going to get cheaper or stay the same------ever! You want it to keep getting more costly. It's a paradox, but when racing gets cheaper, that means it on the way out. More expensive, means there is still strong demand.
It's like the gas price----usually a super low gas price means a weak economy.
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December 16, 2019 at
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Posted By: Murphy on December 14 2019 at 12:37:59 PM
Raise your hand if you don't understand how tax write-offs work.
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December 16, 2019 at
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on December 16 2019 at 07:22:38 AM
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Classic!!!
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December 16, 2019 at
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Posted By: Murphy on December 14 2019 at 11:34:51 AM
Is this a good place to ask whatever happened to the Mopar engine?
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it was getting to easy for Mopar to win, they had to go seek out other challenges
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December 16, 2019 at
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Posted By: heinen81 on December 13 2019 at 12:43:46 PM
I was one. Not because they were too big to have interest in entering this niche market, but because the cost to R&D and develope a new engine package would be a hard investment to create a sizable return on. Too late to the game if trying to compete in the local or regional open market unless you find a way to somehow maintain or increase performance at a lower cost. Not likely. Fords RY45 program along with their 360 ASCS engines were aimed at the open market and admittidely didnt prove profitable. I stand by my theory that Ford and Toyota needed to develope these engines for their Nascar contracted owners and drivers that still participate in dirt. I am sure it killed Ford to have TSR still running a Chevy, and Toyota the same. Would have been like Nike watching Jordan wear, and win in, Reeboks in summer leagues. A few might trickle out there to local or regional drivers with a strong allegiance to either company, or in the second hand market down the road... but I dont think either Ford or Toyotas goal here, is to make a cost effective engine option to compete for sales against whats already out there. We'll see, competiton drives the cost down in almost anyting except for racing lol.
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I'm not sure they have to R&D a whole new engine package. They're already running a 410 in Short Course Off-Road racing so they may just have to adapt that to Sprints.
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December 16, 2019 at
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Posted By: heinen81 on December 14 2019 at 10:40:03 AM
I saw online this week from PRI, the Toyota midget engines have eclipsed the $60,000 price point. Not good as a whole. Like I say, take the likes of Stewart and Bell away from sprint car racing, and I dont see either Ford or Toyota developing these motors. Its to protect their brands and affiliation with their respective contracted drivers and owners. I am most interested in watching Toyota navigate this, as out of everyone, I think they have the most potential to possibly go after a larger market in all dirt racing as a whole. They have a notoriously succesful supply chain, and progressive/lean way of competing in open markets. If Toyota used this as a segway into developing a crate motor for the mod markets and the likes, at a price point close to Chevrolets.... I could see them taking over and making it a profitable program. Say what you will, but they are a smart company with high margins and good products, they dont do anything half-a$$ed if they commit.
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Is there any photos from PRI listing the price of Toyota midget engines? Its hard to find the price of a Speedway TRD engine. The Stanton SR11x is now priced at $41,500, not long ago the website stated $39, 500. Why would people spend 60K instead of 40K?
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