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tbird7733
August 15, 2019 at 04:49:26 PM
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I have a question that I'm hoping someone here may be able to answer. As noted in another thread, Willamette Speedway in Lebenon OR has been shut down due to code violations. Amongst all the chatter, people are asking if Cottage Grove Speedway will be able to pick up the WoO race scheduled for WIlamette on Sep. 4th. One recurring thing I keep seeing is that the catch fence at CG speedway is not up to WoO standards, but nobody has actually been able to say where that information comes from. CG Speedway hosted the WoO from 1995 to 2013 or so with no problems, so I'm wondering if anybody knows if the WoO fencing requirements have changed in the last few years, or if they are even listed anywhere?




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August 15, 2019 at 06:32:25 PM
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Posted By: tbird7733 on August 15 2019 at 04:49:26 PM

I have a question that I'm hoping someone here may be able to answer. As noted in another thread, Willamette Speedway in Lebenon OR has been shut down due to code violations. Amongst all the chatter, people are asking if Cottage Grove Speedway will be able to pick up the WoO race scheduled for WIlamette on Sep. 4th. One recurring thing I keep seeing is that the catch fence at CG speedway is not up to WoO standards, but nobody has actually been able to say where that information comes from. CG Speedway hosted the WoO from 1995 to 2013 or so with no problems, so I'm wondering if anybody knows if the WoO fencing requirements have changed in the last few years, or if they are even listed anywhere?



I can't picture which one is Willamette and which is Cottage Grove but I watch the video blog by Tanner Holmes from those tracks and a couple of them looked pretty rough compared to what I'm used to.  I used to travel around for a racing paper and saw some places that were pretty rough where I wondered how they were able to stay one step ahead of their insurance and not have code violations.  I have since wrote those kinds of places off and have a handful of tracks I like.  Knoxville, Jackson, Cedar Lake and Ogilvie near me and Deer Creek about 120 miles south are all good well kept places.  Mostly I'll go to Cedar as it's the closest at 32 miles.  I'm not sure why people even attend these run down places where the catch fences and all are questionable.  I'd rather stay home and watch PPV of a big special event than go to some of these weekly shows at hole in the wall places.  There aren't many left like that in my area thankfully.  These tracks are competing against concerts, amusement parks, festivals, pro sports and a host of other big events this time of the summer.  I don't see where some of them come off thinking they're going to let things like plumbing, electrical and safety go to hell and expect people to want to sit there in those conditions.  I won't go across the street to watch a race any track that can't pass muster.

The one crazy thing I see about short track racing is all the apologists sticking up for things that fans of any other sport wouldn't put up with.  If anyone tells me that I should stand in an inch of piss in the mens room or sit in front of an inadequate catch fence to "support my local track" it ain't happening. 


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Dollanskyfan1.1
August 16, 2019 at 08:21:54 AM
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I remember when Hales Corners near Milwaukee was still running(and not a shopping mall), while the racing was awesome there, the catch fence was just this side of "chicken wire"! Always wondered why they were able to get away with it, and what would happen if a car actually got in it. Thank God I never saw it happen! But, there is another awesome track torn down for noise, when it was there LONG before the houses and businesses were...


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Moparcar250
August 16, 2019 at 10:14:21 AM
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I remember when Hales Corners near Milwaukee was still running(and not a shopping mall), while the racing was awesome there, the catch fence was just this side of "chicken wire"! Always wondered why they were able to get away with it, and what would happen if a car actually got in it. Thank God I never saw it happen! But, there is another awesome track torn down for noise, when it was there LONG before the houses and businesses were...



i remember going to hales corners when i was little. Wish it was still open, i live 10 miles from there now 



tmminc
August 16, 2019 at 02:37:32 PM
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Posted By: tbird7733 on August 15 2019 at 04:49:26 PM

I have a question that I'm hoping someone here may be able to answer. As noted in another thread, Willamette Speedway in Lebenon OR has been shut down due to code violations. Amongst all the chatter, people are asking if Cottage Grove Speedway will be able to pick up the WoO race scheduled for WIlamette on Sep. 4th. One recurring thing I keep seeing is that the catch fence at CG speedway is not up to WoO standards, but nobody has actually been able to say where that information comes from. CG Speedway hosted the WoO from 1995 to 2013 or so with no problems, so I'm wondering if anybody knows if the WoO fencing requirements have changed in the last few years, or if they are even listed anywhere?



Not sure now but it used to be governed by the insurance underwriter. You need a pretty Heft policy to get a woo sanction, for obvious reasons and I believe that is addressed by state to state regulations. There aren't many companies that insure racing and they pretty much make the rules.



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August 17, 2019 at 09:07:25 AM
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Any tracks with concerns should contact River Cities Speedway for technical and engineering advice.


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I've seen way worse... Let me find some pics. At least that fence wire gauge seems to be like 8 or 6 gauge. I've seen 16 or 18 gauge wire at some race tracks...


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August 17, 2019 at 11:26:31 AM
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That fence is a bad joke!



RodinCanada
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August 17, 2019 at 02:47:34 PM
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It caught the car. You can see thru it well. It didnt stab anyone, seems like it doesnt need any repair and no one got hurt. Seems like the perfect fence to me.

Now on any other night with any other car, could be a totally different story that no one would joust about.

Lucky this time.


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fiXXXer
August 17, 2019 at 07:26:39 PM
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After last year, you'd think we'd know better. This fence belongs nowhere near a sprint car. 



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It's called sarcasm

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highspeeddirt
August 17, 2019 at 11:07:36 PM
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Is there a video of how that happened? Odd that all the wings look to be undamaged. In fact the car appears to be in good shape. I would expect it to be tore all to heck to get that high in a crash.




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August 17, 2019 at 11:19:04 PM
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The dirt vision highlights on the woo website have a poor view of it. There is damage in front of the left rear where it was wedge between the posts.


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JonR
August 18, 2019 at 08:57:24 PM
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Behind Jersey barricades, telephone poles are the worst things at local race tracks.   A couple of years ago, a local driver hit one head on and lost his life.   In this case, if the car is a couple of feet in any direction the pole is going to come up into the drivers compartment.   It is sad that we are not learning from history and making improvements.   



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Behind Jersey barricades, telephone poles are the worst things at local race tracks.   A couple of years ago, a local driver hit one head on and lost his life.   In this case, if the car is a couple of feet in any direction the pole is going to come up into the drivers compartment.   It is sad that we are not learning from history and making improvements.   



So true. My home track is Port Royal. They've upgraded virtually everything from safety features to fan amenities and have done a hell of a job in virtually every phase but one of the "improvements" really blew my mind and that improvement was ripping out the guardrail and lining the inside of the track with those god forsaken Jersey barriers. And before anyone says about how centrifugal force sends most crashes to the outside, look at what happened at Williams Grove a couple of Fridays ago. Sprint cars constantly challenge the laws of physics. That was a violent wreck even of he didn't hit the push truck. In this case the push truck driver got hit and unfortunately lost his life but a similar crash at Port Royal could result in an outcome similar to Jason Johnson's if the car's cage hits on the open concrete or a car could ramp those barriers and end up in the infield. Could those same things happen with guardrail? Hell yeah but it's less likely that a car can ramp guardrail and guardrail gives a hell of a lot more than concrete does in a heavy impact. You can't remove all risk but there are blatant things that can definitely be made better. 




Dryslick Willie
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Behind Jersey barricades, telephone poles are the worst things at local race tracks.   A couple of years ago, a local driver hit one head on and lost his life.   In this case, if the car is a couple of feet in any direction the pole is going to come up into the drivers compartment.   It is sad that we are not learning from history and making improvements.   



Very well stated JonR.   What's even sadder to me is that so little common sense is used in the design of these fences.  Anyone should be able to see the danger they pose to drivers, but of course we have to wait until it kills someone before we do anything.  



Dryslick Willie
August 19, 2019 at 06:27:51 AM
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And I would also say that the WoO should not be racing at a facility like this.   



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August 19, 2019 at 08:31:46 AM
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Is there a video of how that happened? Odd that all the wings look to be undamaged. In fact the car appears to be in good shape. I would expect it to be tore all to heck to get that high in a crash.



There is a video.  Check Mark Dobmeier's facebook page for a video of the entire race.




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August 19, 2019 at 09:53:28 AM
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Sprint cars, race tracks, and racing in general are never going to be 100% safe, I get it. Since people are asking the question. The responsibility falls on the shoulders of the following participating members of the "SPRINT CAR COUNCIL" to start answering said questions. 

 

“Since 1978, the World of Outlaws has been a leader in sprint car racing, and we are pleased to expand on that role with the sprint car council,” said World of Outlaws CEO Brian Carter.

“Going back 10 years with our stakeholders group, the World of Outlaws has strived to bring the industry closer and to strengthen the foundation of sprint car racing while keeping an eye toward the future. We hope through the sprint car council all the parties can learn from each other to continue enhancing the sport we all love.”

Participating members of the council include: All Star Circuit of Champions, American Sprint Car Series, Attica Raceway Park, BAPS Motor Speedway, Empire Super Sprints, IRA Sprints, Jackson Motorplex, Knoxville Raceway, Lincoln (PA) Speedway, Midwest Open Wheel Association, National Sprint League, Port Royal Speedway, POWRi, POWRi WAR Sprint Car League, Skagit Speedway, Upper Midwest Sprint Series, United States Auto Club, WI MSA 360 sprints, World of Outlaws and Williams Grove Speedway.

Chassis builder Barry Jackson, former WoO champion Daryn Pittman, consultant John Darby and team owner/engineer Mark Chevalier are among the council’s members.



sling shot
August 19, 2019 at 10:04:43 AM
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This message was edited on August 19, 2019 at 10:05:36 AM by sling shot

i have a photo on my phone that shows the car on the pole better, i just cant figure out ow to upload it to this forum...technology confusese me..LOL!  but from my pic you can see alomost zero damage to the car, other than the left rear wheel.  looks like it was just set up there.  you can also see that if this had been just 6 inches more forward, there was a good chance we are talking aboout a serious injury, at best.  i love this track, been going for over 30 years, but the times have changed, the cars are faster, and River cities needs to either put up new fencing, or consider removing lates, and sprints from the weekly show.  the risk to the drivers and spectators is just too great to not address this, and soon





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