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Kind of neat to have 3 former drivers of the 27 in the top 5 (Lance, Pittman, R. Smith).

Whoosh....

there goes the sarcasm over your head.

Yep....Saw it all. Almost like a replay of Friday night, except the names changed. As for Stewart, he did pretty much what Schatz did on Friday night. Seeing as how you made no mention of that on the Scelzi thread, I'm guessing you must have missed that "charge" by Donny (too busy watching Lance not go forward I guess) on Friday night. Anytime only one driver makes a "charge" from 22nd to squeak in to the top ten.....especially in 40 laps.....there's not much racing taking place. In forty laps, given the talent that was starting mid-field and further back several drivers should have had some decent runs forward. And I'm not speaking Outlaw drivers only, here. Wolfe struggled, as did Freddie Rahmer.  Freddie (kind of like Sheldon did on Friday night) came the same number of spots forward that Stewart did, but started in 28th. Both were the benifactors of drivers that had problems, gifting both of them at least three positions. 

Oh, and what I saw was Zeerfoss have trouble grtting around a lapped car, which caused him to slide up and allow Dewease to split the two and go on by Zearfoss for the lead through the middle of the track..

Scratch your head to come up with that one or scratch your ass? You certainly haven't been watching tha Nationals in recent years.

Am I missing something?

When's the last time the 69K didn't spend most of the race running the bottom?

Dewease drifted high and put the squeeze on Zearfoss, and most definately let his right rear hang out just a little on the restart which caught the left front tire of Zearfoss. Anybody can see that one. Just a racing deal in my in mind.

Pittman was using racer talk. LOL The cars with a lot of track time at the Grove did the best overall. That includes some of the invaders who were once regulars, Pittman included. I heard Giovanni Schelzi had PA help, but didn't hear who it was or if it's even true. Seems logical though. Tough night for Rahmer and Dietrich, getting tangled up in incidents of no fault of their own. Trey Starks seems to be accident prone.

No games at all, you just have no clue what my point actually was.

My point had nothing to do with Pittman being as fast as the 69K at the end. I couldn't care less about that. My point was, I found it funny that not even a month ago you were on here telling people about how great of a race they watched by simply looking at lap times and the start/finish order.

Now last night you actually go to the track and watch the race, and when Blazer disagrees with your assessment on the racing, you essentially tell him, "From my perspective the racing was great." Blazer essentially did the same thing you always do. Although he was more informed than you usually are about Port Royal because he actually watched it on PPV. You can't find the humor in that? Is that irony lost on you? That's why I made my initial sarcastic remark to you.

Don’t know if Gio had PA help, but PPM was there and he does have some limited Grove experience. Team surely shot down the “need track experience at the Grove” argument. Only second time at the track for Gio (1st in a 410) as well as the Indy team and they get a win. 

From what I saw, Brock tried to keep Lance pinned down to screw up his launch on the restart. It's a trick I've seen countless times there from virtually all the regulars and even a lot of the travelers who have some laps there. 99% of the time, starting on the inside front row is a huge advantage vs. the outside at The Grove. 

I'm not so sure they shot down the argument of "need track experience at the Grove", really. Starting front row played a major part in his success (which by WoO rules he earned), couple that with a track that stayed fast and narrow for everybody and position changes can be rather limited during the course of a race. He was fast on Saturday night also, and went backwards. The kid has all kinds of talent, but he is far from being a regular threat or even a not so regular threat at Williams Grove.

I thought Lance & Zearfoss were pretty much going for the same line & Lance was more aggressive. There was contact, but it was a racing deal, IMHO

You're talking about Lance's winning pass, which was perfection. I think most of us are talking about side by side bumping on restart, about lap 25 (?)

Scelzi seemed like the fastest car all weekend,  definitely got out driven on Saturday

But not a threat? Friday winner, fast qualifier Saturday, won his heat both nites....what do you consider a threat? Front row starters Saturday were both Posse, but I was DEFINITELY worried about Scelzi on Row 2....

I guess there is a basic difference here of what appeals to us as fans. You seem obsessed with lap times & speed. That makes sense for the Bonneville Salt Flats. Most of us like passing & intense competition

I posted thoughts on that separately from the one you refer to. No big deal you must have missed it. As for your real threat question....at Williams Grove, being fast and being a threat to win are as different as night and day. Probably not a track anywhere in the country that can cause the fastest guy of the night to struggle during an actual race feature like WG can. It's a set up nightmare! Do a video over video of Dewease running Williams Grove and there won't be much of a blurr with the overlap. It's the same line and speed race after race after race. It's like he's on cruise control. Very little moving around and and I don't recall ever seeing him do a slide job there, either. Just drives on by. They have the place wired, but the place always seems wired for him, also.

Not arguing about Dewease on cruise control, but as to the slide job comment, I think you need to go back and see his pass on Donny to win the WoO race in July.

You're the kind of guy who smells his own socks at the end of a day's work, aren't you?

Lance was in front! Zearfoss just spun out like he did the last five races!! go back and look at it... crashed at selingrove

always wreaking  ..Lance knew he would step on it!

If you have Race Monitor you can plainly see that after Pittman got to second he was turning lap times nearly identical to Dewease the rest of the race.   Just for those who don't I added up the lap times.  Dewease ran the last 10 laps .288 seconds faster than Pittman.  Lance averaged .029 seconds faster per lap.  I'd call that fairly close.