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DuchessJane
October 24, 2007 at 07:01:10 AM
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I don't really have anything to say this morning but I feel like this thread could use some more random highlighting. Also, it's been awhile since BRR called me a tree-hugging godless liberal hippie heathen skunk.

Good morning! Croissant, anyone?


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BigRightRear
October 24, 2007 at 07:26:55 AM
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the pink has been provided to help liberals FEEL better...especially in the morning!

Ron Paul is all over the map and has become a magnet for liberals who are not comfortable with hilree's cozy crowd of communists.

have a nice day and sorry about the brazen capitalism that will offend you today.


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I had a Communist party one time. Karl Marx dropped a whole tray of Jello shots into my hot tub and it was all downhill from there.

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BigRightRear
October 24, 2007 at 07:47:08 AM
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YIKES! the rainbow caolition weighs in!


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Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
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weather." Van May

DonnM38
October 24, 2007 at 08:46:19 AM
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Posted By: BigRightRear on October 24 2007 at 07:47:08 AM

YIKES! the rainbow caolition weighs in!



that's strange...I could have swore Ron Paul was a Republican



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Posted By: DonnM38 on October 24 2007 at 08:46:19 AM

that's strange...I could have swore Ron Paul was a Republican



Aaron Russo, Ed Brown, Joe Banister, Danny Riley...are they all good Republicans as well. 

"They tell us, sir, that we are weak -- unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us.

The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable -- and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!"

-- Patrick Henry  March 23, 1775


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The church where Patrick Henry said that still stands near Richmond Virginia!!!

 

 



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Posted By: DonnM38 on October 24 2007 at 08:46:19 AM

that's strange...I could have swore Ron Paul was a Republican



and he appeals to 2% of the republican base...better make the change to 3rd party candidate, the liberatarians need one.

swear all you want, he is a magnet for the politically lost.


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

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Polls aren't looking to good for the reich wing BRR, figure out what country you're going to move to once Hillary and Obama take over...roflmao


 

 

 

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BigRightRear
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according to Polident Pelosi they are already in charge...except the 100 hour plan backfired...and so did the 100 day plan.

so far the democrat senate managed to approve the troop escalation in Iraq and whine continuously about it ever since...all other agenda items have backfired miserably.


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

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It's amazing that rudy the lead dog can't even count on his kids to vote for him, now there's a real leader for ya', lmao. I won't even mention his so-called 9-11 buddies the firefighters, yikes! The lesser of two evils has to be the tree huggers, double yikes. Take It Easy.....

PS I just might come back down and vote again (I've maintained everything I need to do so, sorta) if Mike Huckabee gets the nomination




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It's amazing that rudy the lead dog can't even count on his kids to vote for him, now there's a real leader for ya', lmao. I won't even mention his so-called 9-11 buddies the firefighters, yikes! The lesser of two evils has to be the tree huggers, double yikes. Take It Easy.....

PS I just might come back down and vote again (I've maintained everything I need to do so, sorta) if Mike Huckabee gets the nomination



Mike Huckabee....interesting...Baptist pastor, Arkansas and Big Oil!  Something for everyone.

Hmmmm...wasn't there a "fundamentalist" from the northern hinterland, also a Baptist minister...Tommy Douglas???


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machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 24 2007 at 12:13:25 PM

Polls aren't looking to good for the reich wing BRR, figure out what country you're going to move to once Hillary and Obama take over...roflmao



won't have to move to another country as this one will seem foreign enough to most of us if that happens. hillary can't even keep her own husband in line or stand up to him. how is she going to run a country. and poor obama just doesn't have a clue although i think the man may mean well.



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Posted By: OKCFan12 on October 20 2007 at 08:21:27 PM

opinion presented in decent form. cool.

by definition (literally look it up) we live in a fascist country. nevermind that - explain how Clintons are communists? not that I'm the biggest fan - but don't know how anyone could do any worse than our present peeps. which opens up a whole new argument b/c for some reason some people don't think its all that bad. most i think are people who could care less. but i could be wrong.

I still think the best overall plan to keep us safe and free was for the past 50 years to not elect people with corporate interests that consistently rape other countries of their resources. Promoting proposals that keep the rich in power in other countries while the desperate poop there only become more so. this is ok with americans because they are almost completely ignorant to every aspect of how we ourselves support it. But nontheless if people want to remain free and safe - you cannot give up your liberties for that safety - eventually if not already someone will take advantage of that bad. the spying done here in the US was created more to silence domestic opposition than terrorism. i don't know how that fact could be argued. that single fact suggests a lot about the true intentions of many issues - the war on terror being first and foremost. not only could I be wrong - unlike so many ignorant people - I HOPE I am wrong about that. If everyone is so worried about safety then why is it ok by these people that we support saudi's who give american tax dollars to "terrorist" groups. Sounds like job security to me. Wars as they are fought today do not make things any safer.....they are meant to make money. I dont see where those in power (especially who have corp. interests like cheney) would ever want peace or safety - it's not profitable. And as to the "overall plan". The only thing I see is us giving up freedoms and liberties for the sake of security. According to Ben Franklin those who do that no longer deserve it and in fact lose both. Franklin wasn't perfect by any means - but that was one of the best thoughts he ever had because it is so true. How ironic that the same thing wars are fought for also bears his image. If this country disagrees with that so much - isn't that picking and choosing which patriot to bless and curse by the day? It's like praising him for being so instrumental in founding america - and then saying "except for that". I think the war on terror could be fought without citizens giving up certain freedoms (unnecesarily) to do so.

for those who are tired of seeing this. you don;t have to read it. this board is in thread style. No I don't frequent political boards - there aren't very many intelligent people in those. Even the people I strongly disagree with in here I think are intelligent. The news articles I posted I don't think anything to be wrong with that. But no doubt as long as I was having to look at political picks next to certain posters - I assumed fair game to add a couple myself. I don't see those now - hence why I haven't put more on here. but what's good for the goose...................

ya'll shouldn;t get so bent out of shape. I differ in opinion with most of you about stuff - but I appreciate that instead of condemning it. Conversing counters complacency. and damn it I like to talk about this stuff every now and again with people that are fairly intelligent. I don't really care to always post news or images here. unless the image is funny (nodust's area) or the news is really worth posting here. I don't see anyone here that really consistently puts stuff like that on here - I have no intention of doing it consistently either.



explain how Clintons are communists?

by wanting to take from one class of people to give to another class of people. therefore attempting to even out the classes and eliminate the higher power those with money may have. if the government can eliminate or reduce the upper classes they can more easily control things. by wanting to give monetary entitilements to people for no reason. to do that you have to take from others to do so since that is where the government gets it's money. if you made 2000 bucks a week but after all the taxes you made the same as someone who made 500 bucks a week why would you want to make more money? if you had a good business but the government kept penalizing you more and more for making money would it continue to be worth it to you to try to make more money? by trying to make the government the caretaker and caregiver to the entire nation. and to do that it has to take more from the people to do it. being able to get ahead by being entrepreneurial and hard working has made it possible for the people in this country to have and to do and to enjoy what we have. communist, by definition (literally look it up).

if people want to remain free and safe - you cannot give up your liberties for that safety

The only thing I see is us giving up freedoms and liberties for the sake of security.

 

please explain what liberties and/or freedoms you and i or most any citizen has had to give up. and why it is bushes fault.

the spying done here in the US was created more to silence domestic opposition than terrorism

what "spying " are you talking about?

 

 




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My point is, I didn't see any action being taken by Bush before 9-11, and I don't believe he would have done much more than Clinton if he had been President in the 90's. 9-11 sprung him to action, and I believe any President would have acted after that tragedy, including Clinton. I agreed with the war in Afghanistan, but to cut that short and move to Iraq does not make sense. And aside from removing Saddam from power, I don't believe we have really accomplished anything there. The fact is, the atrocities that Saddam committed against the Kurds and his people happened before the gulf war, if we were going to remove him, we should have done it then. Since the gulf war Saddam hadn't committed the atrocities that he had in the past, so we can't use that "he's a bad person" rationale for the war. As far as the war on terror, Saddam's regime was an oppressive dictatorship yes, but not a terrorist organization, however by removing Saddam we have opened the door for terrorist organizations to take over. Now we are stuck guarding against that frightful concept indefinitely. It's either we stay in Iraq for decades, watching our troop casualties rise and rise, spending all sorts of American's money, or we withdraw, leaving Iraq either to control by terrorist organizations, or to be taken over by Iran. Personally, I'd take Saddam.



and just what actions and for what reasons would you suggest he have taken in the roughly 200 days he was president before 911. and how do you know anything was not being discussed or contemplated? and how much time would it have taken to impliment things. the question is not why didn't bush do anything before we had an attack on americans while he was president. it is why clinton didn't do anything AFTER we had an attack on americans while he was president. please undestand my responces here in this thread do not mean i totally agree with everything bush does and that mistakes and miscalculations were made. i just believe there are a lot more valid arguments and complaints than the trumped up politically motivated stuff. don't forget the threat from saddam and iraq was presented for the same reasons by clinton. a regime change in iraq was part of american policy while clinton was in office.most of the information gathered and cited as cause for diposing saddam that was presented by bush was collected while clinton was in office.



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this is for the fanatical folk who still think this war is to preserve freedom - hopefully the day arrives when they discover what most others already know - that oops - it's all about the benjamins (or dead presidents) instead. Maybe the war was started with decent intent - although since Iraq was found to have almost nothing to do with the NYC terrorist attacks and when 75% of your voters (which means 95% in all) don't think its for any reasons the White House continues to state but yet the crazy guy keeps forgetting to take his helmet off and continues to ignorantly run into the wall --- I find that highly unlikely. Too bad it's all just a front - truth is the guy is smarter than most of the american public - he gets the masses to think he;s stupid while he plays the part and funnels our money around to his 2000 and 2004 campaign contributors. Maybe everyone should consider lifting the veil and consider impeachment for injustince - instead of impeachment for oral pleasure. And when thinking what could call for impeachment - don't look for a smoking gun - because in truth the criminals are too smart and we are all too stupid - if we take that approach. Instead just make a timetable of the last 7 years. That should be enough for any person with common sense. BTW I put this here as to not "taint" the racing forum with an entirely new thread about politics. This thread already exists - so 500 replies to this thread "taints" it no more or less. This thread is obviously politics - other threads racing. works out well for all who want to quip about both.

Also - if someone wants to argue the article or even my thoughts - please try to make an intelligent argument and present your counter opinion. You don't HAVE to look dumb like "value" republicans. They've made themselves look stupid enough the last few weeks (or years depending on how you look at it) with their little rigged conventions. They don't need any more help. And finally - I may poke at reps and conservatives but please don;t label me a dem. or liberal - I consider them only to be a lesser of 2 evils. In short and without lenghty explanation - they suck too. If you want to think me in affiliate terms - well - I haven't ever seen a platform I agree with. I prefer to keep my individuality. goat herds don't look like much fun. So sorry to disappoint those who love to label - but it's just me. Anyhoot - here is an article I feel is extremely relevant to the ideals on either side of the argument over the war in Iraq. I like this idea because it's a shot back at fascism and capitalism.

Army to review Iraq contracts for fraud

By RICHARD LARDNER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 13 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A team of specially trained investigators will hunker down in an Army office north of Detroit on Monday to begin poring over hundreds of Iraq war contracts in search for rigged awards.

ADVERTISEMENT

This team of 10 auditors, criminal investigators and acquisition experts are starting with a sampling of the roughly 6,000 contracts worth $2.8 billion issued by an Army office in Kuwait that service officials have identified as a hub of corruption.

The office, located at Camp Arifjan, buys gear and supplies to support U.S. troops as they move in and out of Iraq. The pace of that operation has exploded since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003.

Based on what the team finds, the probe may expand and the number of Army military and civilian employees accused of accepting bribes and kickbacks could grow, U.S. officials told The Associated Press. Nearly two dozen have been charged so far.

Signs of trouble include contracts continually awarded to vendors without the usual competition and awards that were competed but went to the bidder with the highest price rather than the lowest. A mismatch between the original product to be purchased and what was actually delivered is another red flag.

"Is there anything in there that might indicate to us that there might be some potential fraudulent activity?" Jeffrey Parsons, director of contracting at Army Materiel Command, said in an AP interview. "If there are patterns that we start to identify, then we're going to do further review."

Contracts with significant problems will be forwarded to the Army Audit Agency and the Army Criminal Investigation Command. If there's credible evidence of wrongdoing, the FBI and prosecutors from the U.S. Justice Department are called in.

In Warren, Mich., home to a large Army acquisition center, the contracting review team will examine 314 of the Kuwait contracts, each worth more than $25,000 and issued between 2003 and 2006.

In Kuwait, a separate team of 10 at Camp Arifjan is already going through 339 contracts of lesser value and awarded during the same time period, according to Army Materiel Command at Fort Belvoir, Va.

Both reviews are to be finished before the end of the year.

A probe of 2007 contracts out of Kuwait has been completed; investigators found numerous problems with the office, including inadequate staffing and oversight, high staff turnover, and poor record-keeping.

In the midst of those shortcomings came billions of dollars in war funding, creating an environment ripe for misconduct and malfeasance.

The teams in Michigan and Kuwait will go through paper records and also use data-mining tools to electronically search data stored on computers.

"Do we have contractors with different names but the same address?" Parsons said. "That would cause some suspicion."

Tips from individuals familiar with the contracts are another tool for finding flawed awards, he said.

The contract review process isn't foolproof, however.

If a contracting officer and a vendor are determined to break the rules for personal gain, it can be difficult to pinpoint corruption, according to Parsons, who also is serving as senior adviser to a contracting task force recently established by Army Secretary Pete Geren.

"You can have a contract file that is pristine — all the documentation is there," Parsons said. "Just going through the contract files doesn't necessarily give you 100 percent assurance that something else might not have been going on."

The efforts in Michigan and at Camp Arifjan are parts of a broader inquiry being conducted by the task force, which was formed by Geren following a spike in the number of criminal cases related to the acquisition of gear and supplies for U.S. troops.

Many of the cases stemmed from fraudulent or mismanaged contracts issued by the Kuwait office, prompting Geren to call for a detailed probe of the work done there.

The Army Criminal Investigation Command has 83 ongoing criminal investigations related to contract fraud in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan, according to spokesman Chris Grey.

Grey said 23 individuals have been charged with contract fraud and more than $15 million in bribes has changed hands.

One of the largest cases involves Army Maj. John Cockerham, who is accused of bribery, conspiracy, money laundering and obstruction. Prosecutors allege Cockerham, along with his wife and sister, took at least $9.6 million in bribes in 2004 and 2005 while Cockerham was a contract officer stationed in Kuwait

From the 6,000 Kuwait contracts flowed 18,000 transactions - numerous orders could be placed on a single contract - for items such as bottled water, laundry services, barracks, food, transportation, and warehouse services.

In 2005, Lt. Gens. Steven Whitcomb and John Vines, then both top Army commanders in Iraq, became so concerned over allegations of corrupt contracting that the Criminal Investigation Command established field offices in Iraq and Kuwait.

Deceiving the checks and balances in the federal procurement system takes careful planning, Frank Anderson, president of the Defense Acquisition University at Fort Belvoir, said in a separate interview.

"You had some smart bad apples," said Anderson, who leads the organization that trains the military's acquisition officials. "It had to be someone who understood the business well enough to figure out how to get around the system."


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this is for the fanatical folk who still think this war is to preserve freedom - hopefully the day arrives when they discover what most others already know - that oops - it's all about the benjamins (or dead presidents) instead. Maybe the war was started with decent intent - although since Iraq was found to have almost nothing to do with the NYC terrorist attacks and when 75% of your voters (which means 95% in all) don't think its for any reasons the White House continues to state but yet the crazy guy keeps forgetting to take his helmet off and continues to ignorantly run into the wall --- I find that highly unlikely. Too bad it's all just a front - truth is the guy is smarter than most of the american public - he gets the masses to think he;s stupid while he plays the part and funnels our money around to his 2000 and 2004 campaign contributors. Maybe everyone should consider lifting the veil and consider impeachment for injustince - instead of impeachment for oral pleasure. And when thinking what could call for impeachment - don't look for a smoking gun - because in truth the criminals are too smart and we are all too stupid - if we take that approach. Instead just make a timetable of the last 7 years. That should be enough for any person with common sense. BTW I put this here as to not "taint" the racing forum with an entirely new thread about politics. This thread already exists - so 500 replies to this thread "taints" it no more or less. This thread is obviously politics - other threads racing. works out well for all who want to quip about both.

Also - if someone wants to argue the article or even my thoughts - please try to make an intelligent argument and present your counter opinion. You don't HAVE to look dumb like "value" republicans. They've made themselves look stupid enough the last few weeks (or years depending on how you look at it) with their little rigged conventions. They don't need any more help. And finally - I may poke at reps and conservatives but please don;t label me a dem. or liberal - I consider them only to be a lesser of 2 evils. In short and without lenghty explanation - they suck too. If you want to think me in affiliate terms - well - I haven't ever seen a platform I agree with. I prefer to keep my individuality. goat herds don't look like much fun. So sorry to disappoint those who love to label - but it's just me. Anyhoot - here is an article I feel is extremely relevant to the ideals on either side of the argument over the war in Iraq. I like this idea because it's a shot back at fascism and capitalism.

Army to review Iraq contracts for fraud

By RICHARD LARDNER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 13 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A team of specially trained investigators will hunker down in an Army office north of Detroit on Monday to begin poring over hundreds of Iraq war contracts in search for rigged awards.

ADVERTISEMENT

This team of 10 auditors, criminal investigators and acquisition experts are starting with a sampling of the roughly 6,000 contracts worth $2.8 billion issued by an Army office in Kuwait that service officials have identified as a hub of corruption.

The office, located at Camp Arifjan, buys gear and supplies to support U.S. troops as they move in and out of Iraq. The pace of that operation has exploded since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003.

Based on what the team finds, the probe may expand and the number of Army military and civilian employees accused of accepting bribes and kickbacks could grow, U.S. officials told The Associated Press. Nearly two dozen have been charged so far.

Signs of trouble include contracts continually awarded to vendors without the usual competition and awards that were competed but went to the bidder with the highest price rather than the lowest. A mismatch between the original product to be purchased and what was actually delivered is another red flag.

"Is there anything in there that might indicate to us that there might be some potential fraudulent activity?" Jeffrey Parsons, director of contracting at Army Materiel Command, said in an AP interview. "If there are patterns that we start to identify, then we're going to do further review."

Contracts with significant problems will be forwarded to the Army Audit Agency and the Army Criminal Investigation Command. If there's credible evidence of wrongdoing, the FBI and prosecutors from the U.S. Justice Department are called in.

In Warren, Mich., home to a large Army acquisition center, the contracting review team will examine 314 of the Kuwait contracts, each worth more than $25,000 and issued between 2003 and 2006.

In Kuwait, a separate team of 10 at Camp Arifjan is already going through 339 contracts of lesser value and awarded during the same time period, according to Army Materiel Command at Fort Belvoir, Va.

Both reviews are to be finished before the end of the year.

A probe of 2007 contracts out of Kuwait has been completed; investigators found numerous problems with the office, including inadequate staffing and oversight, high staff turnover, and poor record-keeping.

In the midst of those shortcomings came billions of dollars in war funding, creating an environment ripe for misconduct and malfeasance.

The teams in Michigan and Kuwait will go through paper records and also use data-mining tools to electronically search data stored on computers.

"Do we have contractors with different names but the same address?" Parsons said. "That would cause some suspicion."

Tips from individuals familiar with the contracts are another tool for finding flawed awards, he said.

The contract review process isn't foolproof, however.

If a contracting officer and a vendor are determined to break the rules for personal gain, it can be difficult to pinpoint corruption, according to Parsons, who also is serving as senior adviser to a contracting task force recently established by Army Secretary Pete Geren.

"You can have a contract file that is pristine — all the documentation is there," Parsons said. "Just going through the contract files doesn't necessarily give you 100 percent assurance that something else might not have been going on."

The efforts in Michigan and at Camp Arifjan are parts of a broader inquiry being conducted by the task force, which was formed by Geren following a spike in the number of criminal cases related to the acquisition of gear and supplies for U.S. troops.

Many of the cases stemmed from fraudulent or mismanaged contracts issued by the Kuwait office, prompting Geren to call for a detailed probe of the work done there.

The Army Criminal Investigation Command has 83 ongoing criminal investigations related to contract fraud in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan, according to spokesman Chris Grey.

Grey said 23 individuals have been charged with contract fraud and more than $15 million in bribes has changed hands.

One of the largest cases involves Army Maj. John Cockerham, who is accused of bribery, conspiracy, money laundering and obstruction. Prosecutors allege Cockerham, along with his wife and sister, took at least $9.6 million in bribes in 2004 and 2005 while Cockerham was a contract officer stationed in Kuwait

From the 6,000 Kuwait contracts flowed 18,000 transactions - numerous orders could be placed on a single contract - for items such as bottled water, laundry services, barracks, food, transportation, and warehouse services.

In 2005, Lt. Gens. Steven Whitcomb and John Vines, then both top Army commanders in Iraq, became so concerned over allegations of corrupt contracting that the Criminal Investigation Command established field offices in Iraq and Kuwait.

Deceiving the checks and balances in the federal procurement system takes careful planning, Frank Anderson, president of the Defense Acquisition University at Fort Belvoir, said in a separate interview.

"You had some smart bad apples," said Anderson, who leads the organization that trains the military's acquisition officials. "It had to be someone who understood the business well enough to figure out how to get around the system."



although since Iraq was found to have almost nothing to do with the NYC terrorist attacks

why do you keep presenting that as argument? why? because the talking heads you listen to have pounded it into your head so much that you say it without even thinking. no where ever was it stated by anyone in this administration including the president that iraq was attacked for it's involvement in 911. non of them have said iraq had anything to do with 911. that line has been started and repeted by detractors who say why are we there when they did not attack us. you can take the ALMOST out of the statement. we are not in iraq because they had anything to do with 911. you yourself may say it is oil or money or whatever. it is true that we should not be in iraq on the grounds they were part of 911. i agree with you 100%. it is also true that is not the reason given by bush we are there.

instead of impeachment for oral pleasure

clinton was not impeached for oral pleasure. he was impeached for lying to a grand jury or prosecutors. the same thing martha stewart and scooter libby were jailed for. now why did he get off the hook and they didn't for the same thing?

Also - if someone wants to argue the article or even my thoughts - please try to make an intelligent argument and present your counter opinion.

i am not wishing to argue your thoughts on the above stuff i have pointed out. to argue would imply them to have some merrit of which they have none. instead i will state they are a load of crap.

please try to make an intelligent argument

right back at you.

now about the article you presented. any background on the writer and his integrity? is he one of those who goes around just trying to dig up stuff to shame the president? knowing if he has a bone to pick or not would enter into my thoughts of how much to be upset and how much to take with a grain of salt. and for you to try to blame the president for the actions of contractors is not really 100% fair is it? i am guessing that is what you are doing? if i hire you to fix my car and you overcharge me and do stuff i don't need is it all my fault? sadly misconduct is something that can and does happen at times in government contracts and in contracts in general. it has happened in all wars as well. just think back on the black market in wwII, in korea, in viet nam. to say it is not new is not to say it is right and should not be investigated and prosecuted. but to use it pollitically hold the president to blame shows that people don't want to argue the real problems that have occured in this war. i keep saying there are plenty of things that could be legitimally argued but you keep posting talking points and bs. why did the military not take prisinors in the early stages of the war? why did they just let people go to only come back later to fight. how did it come about that turkey blind sided us at the beginning of the war by all of a sudden refusing to allow our troop planes to fly over to deploy? there are others but they don't play as well politically. but questions like that do not make for good sound bites or talking points. instead of spouting a bunch of crap that the president had nothing to do with or has little control over or that is just plain bs, why don't you go find some honest to goodness stuff to complain about instead of the politially charged stuff you overflow like a backed up sewer. and i do not say that to disrespect you. i say that to point out that it seems that you have been fed crap and it is just running out of you because you are now full of it.




cubicdollars
October 27, 2007 at 10:46:34 PM
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Rogue-9
October 28, 2007 at 02:08:41 AM
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Team Wright-One, Bush did indeed use evidence, which turned out to be false that top al quaeda officials met with Saddam Hussein not long before 9-11 in his presentation to Congress to convince them to go to war. I believe the information was said to have come from a British source to one of Bush's officials. That British source later said that that information never came from them at all.





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