OKCFan12: You and MSPN illustrate the point of my original post: You call him "very clever", while Mike says he's "the dumbest ever". He can't be both.

Let's see, how many terrorist attacks in this country since 9-11, and after Bush went in and took out Sadaam? And how is the economy, by ALL reports, it's strong.

So I'll tell you what, after your candidates Hillary and Barak become our next leaders...and Nancy Pelozi is still going in countries like Syria and basically committing treason by giving aid to the enemy...and our country is attacked after a strong Pro America president is put out of office, then I'd like to hear what some of you guys say.

So...how many terrorist attacks inside the borders of this country since 9-11?

How many terrorist attacks since our President went in and took out Sadaam and showed our enemy that this country will not be attacked without reaction?

And how is our economy? By ALL reports, it's strong.

So I'll tell you what, to all you who are drinking the kool-aid of mainstream media and hate our President and looking to get Hillary and Barak in as our new leaders....and this taking place while Nancy Pelosi, a Hillary and Barak compatriot continues to go into enemy countries like Syria basically commiitting treason by giving aid to the enemy... and then after we are attacked because we show ourselves to be weak, then I want you to come back on here and tell us how pro Hillary and pro democrat you are.

fact: USA sustained more terrorist attacks under Clinton that ANY other president...and all other presidents combined for that matter. the most amazing thing is retliation was the last thing on his mind thru the entire ordeal...

or maybe it is most amazing that this goes unstated in every post that wanders to this subject and is totally swept under the rug by main stream liberal media screwballs...

proof that you should smok'em if you got'em because you Clinton lovers sure do act stoned...so you might as well enjoy the BUZZ if you are going to present yourself as a burnout.

http://www.dojgov.net/Clinton_&_Terrorism-01.htm

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considering the amount of damning info the media has not reported about the President - that one works both ways. I am not in favor of democrats either. The question still has not been answered on why we only have 2 parties..........that leaves no room for real change. but I think we show ourselves to be weak the way we whore our country out, especially to countries who take our own money and give it to terrorist groups (saudi's). and we don't do anything because our corporate government isn't willin to pull the oil tit out of its mouth. pardon the way I put that. But I think the US learned a good lesson - not to ever elect high corporate officials or oil barons. it's a start.

I doubt any of former employees or investors of any of the dem. pres. hopefulls will fly planes into big towers with the help of Saudi Arabia. dumb luck we haven't been attacked again - considering the on-going flood of illegal immigrants especially the south. If its that easy for hspanics to get in how easy do you think it is for a terrorist to as well? Now - if stopping terrorism was such a high priority don't you think it would be harder to get in the country since 9/11? But it's not - because if there is another terrorist attack - those in power will profit off it just like they have since 2001. Another security department will be created, more rights of american citizens stripped, another page of the constitution burnt, another country who had nothing to do with it destroyed, occupied, and another couple war contracts handed to Halliburton. And while all this is going on - an earthquake will probably hit the west coast and a full week taken to address it......the head of yet another organization will be sacrificed (or pardoned and paid off)......and lets not forget if a government employee doesn't bow down to the regime in the future their whole families lives might get ruined (even worse if you're in the CIA). ALL OF THIS VERY WELL COULD HAPPEN AGAIN - BECAUSE 1 PIECE OF PAPER BEARING A WAR - RELATED CONTRACT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR BILL OF RIGHTS.

I miss the days when conspiracy theories were only chance - instead of probability.

for a bunch of folks who don't want political talk in a racin forum - ironic.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

2 parties?

http://dir.yahoo.com/Government/U_S__Government/Politics/Parties/?skw=usa+political+parties

you might want to cut down on the amount of parties you attend...because you are either politically inept, or dumber than your posts suggest.

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"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Speed, I helped the man get elected, so I'm as guilty as the rest. His desire to conduct a war that is not really winable and spend hundreds of billions of taxpayers money was my point and if you don't think that spending has some significant bearing in the US dollar you're sadly mistaken. What's worse is what it has done to the great name and greatest country in the world, around the world. Shame on George's policies for angering the vast majority of the rest of the planet. Take It Easy.....

Wow, this guy acts like there was a major terrorist attack every year before Bush. Fact, Bush didn't do anything about terrorism until after 9-11, even after the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole. Do you think Clinton would have ignored an attack of the magnitude of 9-11. No. But he would have focused any military operations on al quaeda, and not gone to Iraq and got us stuck with war indefinitely. You talk about how Clinton didn't do anything. First off he did. Just not to the point of full out war. Second of all, only one attack occurred on U.S. soil, and that was almost ten years before 9-11. That killed two people, not 3,000. Bush didn't do a thing after U.S.S. Cole, and he wouldn't jave done a thing after the first world trade center bombing either. No, before 9-11 Bush was too busy arguing with China over apologizing over a spyplane that crashed into one of their planes killing a pilot.

dude, you gotta come up for air sometime and stop spouting crap you hear from the anti-bush people. please do not think i am dumping on your opinions. i don't believe any of this crap that you have been posting is comming from you and what your opinion is. you are just puking what you have been fed full of. you are a talking points bulliton board for the bush detractors. you keep posting their dribble on here without trying to find out any other part of the issue or story. and that is my only problem with you.

considering the amount of damning info the media has not reported about the President

give me some examples. the press has been doing all they can to not only damn bush with stories, they have invented stuff to damn him. if you have more stuff that they can use i bet media matters would love to talk to you. and if you know about damning stuff that the press has not reported where the hell did YOU find out? you got contacts in "high" places? back up your bs and i will give you some credit.

dumb luck we haven't been attacked again

dumb luck? the terrorist groups we have been trying to defeat have attacked JUST ABOUT EVERYONE who has tried to help us. just about every country that lent support to us has suffered some kind of terrorism because of it. the united states has not been the recipient of any terrorist attacks outside of the war fronts. no bases, no embassies, no military or naval equipment. nothing. and you think that is dumb luck. let me ask you something. if you stepped on my foot and i knocked you in the head with a base ball bat for it would you call it dumb luck that you tried to not step on my foot again?

another couple war contracts handed to Halliburton

ok, if you had an emergency and you needed something done and could not take a lot of time to get a lot of bids and try to sort them out and investigate who was competent and who was not and you already had someone who you did business with that you could hire would'nt you go with them. i am not going to go into the recipie for disaster that could result by sending in a company that was incompetent and and then having to find another ect. i am not expertly informed on this so that is my opinion only. but i have heard about problem with reported overcharging and such. sadly in stuations like that it is to be expected at times. but that does not make it right and excusible.

an earthquake will probably hit the west coast and a full week taken to address it......

your reference to katrina shows how little you actually know vs. what you repete what you hear. bush declared new orleans and other areas in LA. a disaster area BEFORE katrina even hit in an effort to try to expidite relief efforts. the place was so infested with violence that red cross and other relief workers refused to go in for some time. even when they did a great lack of co-operation from local city, county and state government hampered things as well. i am not saying the united states departments that were responsible for helping operated without problems, but with an all but total elimination of city functions in the area it was difficult to get anything done.

their whole families lives might get ruined (even worse if you're in the CIA).

don't even get me started if you are refering to that ass joe wilson (who's report has been discredited by the comity investigating it.) and his lieing bitch wife. in the now famous speach about "yellow cake " that saddam was supposed to have been trying to find in niger(it was niger was'nt it?) bush stated that british intel believed that saddam was looking for yellow cake there. that was TRUE. british intel did in fact report and stand behind their belief that was true. but bush was called a lier for that statement. and there have been reports from several sorces from several news orginzations that in fact saddam may have actually doing what they said. looking for yellow cake in niger.

there are plenty of current legitimate concerns you could be commenting about instead of old news that has been denounced and/or debunked. but the folks that you seem to choose to listen to and to believe would rather you make a fool out of your self with folks who are a bit more informed than tell you the truth or the whole story. the stories are out there. the news channels, cnn, fox and msnbc all report on a lot of the same stuff. if you only listen to one side you miss some info. if you listen to some of it all you can get a better overall concept. and if you have already formed your opinion before you hear the full story you will never get the full story.

again i do not wish to slam you. but you would be wise to be a little more open minded and consider the source when you get some of your info. if a story says that "bush, that lieing misleading idiot of a president who could care less about this country just vetoed a bill that would have given health insurance to millions of children..." you might want to look further into it and get the story from another source as well.  just the same if the story says "bush, the president who may go down in history for his fearless resolve against terrorism, rightly vetoed a bill today that would have attemped to give insurane to millions of children but meant raising taxes..."    for the most part the media gets the story out there. but no one media source get the WHOLE story out there.  for examlpe kieth olberman reported tonight that he beat bill o'riely on fri night oct 19. that was true. but kieth did not say anything to let you know that his show was a new one and bills was a repeat from 10 days before that had kicked his butt head to head live. in fact bill's re-airs all four nights before beat kieth's first runs on the same night. meaning that not only did bill's 8 o'clock show beat kith's 8 o'clock show live head to head, bill's RE-AIR of his 8 o'clock show at 11 o'clock beat kieth's 8 o'clock show too.

bush was not the president when the cole was attacked. plenty of terrorist attacks occured when clinton was in office. you are saying an attack that kills less people is not an attack? all of the inaction or realitive inaction by clinton lead to the greatist attack on our soil. bin ladin declared war on us and was responsible for attacks on us and clinton did basically nothing besides some token military actions.

My point is, I didn't see any action being taken by Bush before 9-11, and I don't believe he would have done much more than Clinton if he had been President in the 90's. 9-11 sprung him to action, and I believe any President would have acted after that tragedy, including Clinton. I agreed with the war in Afghanistan, but to cut that short and move to Iraq does not make sense. And aside from removing Saddam from power, I don't believe we have really accomplished anything there. The fact is, the atrocities that Saddam committed against the Kurds and his people happened before the gulf war, if we were going to remove him, we should have done it then. Since the gulf war Saddam hadn't committed the atrocities that he had in the past, so we can't use that "he's a bad person" rationale for the war. As far as the war on terror, Saddam's regime was an oppressive dictatorship yes, but not a terrorist organization, however by removing Saddam we have opened the door for terrorist organizations to take over. Now we are stuck guarding against that frightful concept indefinitely. It's either we stay in Iraq for decades, watching our troop casualties rise and rise, spending all sorts of American's money, or we withdraw, leaving Iraq either to control by terrorist organizations, or to be taken over by Iran. Personally, I'd take Saddam.

Maybe it was coincidental timing...our response to an Iraqi attack on the USS Stark!

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Paris was next!!!

"As long as I can have a fast boat, a margarita 
machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
fine."

Jason Giambi

one major ommission from this list is the downing of Flight 800 which Clinton white washed into a "exploding center fuel tank which was filled with fumes" fairy tale. hundreds of eye witness reports from Long Island residents agreed that they saw a "flare" rising from the water surface and explode on impact with the jetliner.

how many miles can you fly a jetliner on an empty center fuel tank when your next stop is France?

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September 11, 2001 - Terrorists hijack four U.S. commercial airliners taking off from various locations in the United States in a coordinated suicide attack. In separate attacks, two of the airliners crash into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, which catch fire and eventually collapse. A third airliner crashes into the Pentagon in Washington, DC, causing extensive damage. The fourth airliner, also believed to be heading towards Washington, DC, crashes outside Shanksville, PA., killing all 45 people on board. Casualty estimates from New York put the possible death toll close to 5,000, while as many as 200 people may have been lost at the Pentagon crash site.

Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.

In response, on August 20 the United States attacked targets in Afghanistan and Sudan with over 75 cruise missiles fired from Navy ships in the Arabian and Red seas. About 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from warships in the Arabian Sea. Most struck six separate targets in a camp near Khost, Afghanistan. Simultaneously, about 20 cruise missiles were fired from U.S. ships in the Red Sea striking a factory in Khartoum, Sudan, which was suspected of producing components for making chemical weapons.

June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut.

July 27, 1996 - A pipe bomb explodes during the Olympic games in Atlanta, killing one person and wounding 111.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.

Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting Advocates of God" claim responsibility.

April 19, 1995 - A car bomb destroys the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and wounding over 600.

February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.

Dec. 21, 1988 - A bomb destroys Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. All 259 people aboard the Boeing 747 are killed including 189 Americans, as are 11 people on the ground.

April 1986 - An explosion damages a TWA flight as it prepares to land in Athens, Greece. Four people are killed when they are sucked out of the aircraft.

April 5, 1986 - A bomb destroys the LaBelle discotheque in West Berlin. The disco was known to be frequented by U.S. servicemen. The attack kills one American and one German woman and wounds 150, including 44 Americans

In response, on April 15 the United States retaliated in an operation dubbed ‘El Dorado Canyon.’ Approximately 100 aircraft were launched in direct support of the raid. It was an attack against military targets involving land-based bombers from Great Britain together with carrier-based air strikes from ships in the Gulf of Sidra.

December 1985 - Simultaneous suicide attacks are carried out against U.S. and Israeli check-in desks at Rome and Vienna international airports. 20 people are killed in the two attacks, including four terrorists.

November 1985 - Hijackers aboard an Egyptair flight kill one American. Egyptian commandos later storm the aircraft on the isle of Malta, and 60 people are killed.

October 1985 - Palestinian terrorists hijack the cruise liner Achille Lauro (in response to the Israeli attack on PLO headquarters in Tunisia) Leon Klinghoffer, an elderly, wheelchair-bound American, is killed and thrown overboard.

August 1985 - A car bomb at a U.S. military base in Frankfurt, Germany kills two and injures 20. A U.S. soldier murdered for his identity papers is found a day after the explosion.

June 1985 - A TWA airliner is hijacked over the Mediterranean, the start of a two-week hostage ordeal. The last 39 passengers are eventually released in Damascus after being held in various locations in Beirut.

June 1985 - In San Salvador, El Salvador, 13 people are killed in a machine gun attack at an outdoor café, including four U.S. Marines and two American businessmen.

April 1985 - A bomb explodes in a restaurant near a U.S. air base in Madrid, Spain, killing 18, all Spaniards, and wounding 82, including 15 Americans.

November 1984 - A bomb attack on the U.S. embassy in Bogota, Colombia kills a passer-by. The attack was preceded by death threats against U.S. officials by drug traffickers.

October 1983 - A suicide car bomb attack against the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut kills 241 servicemen. A simultaneous attack on a French base kills 58 paratroopers.

April 1983 - A suicide car bombing against the U.S. embassy in Beirut kills 63, including 17 Americans.

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"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

and once again...a French connection.

A couple hundred megaton enema should do the trick Frenchy!

"As long as I can have a fast boat, a margarita 
machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
fine."

Jason Giambi

It just kills me to see people blindly take one side or the other based on what they think is the best political stance.

Ron Paul in 08

when it comes to blindness...other than the 9/11 conspiracy lunatics, which one of those attacks listed above DID NOT HAPPEN?

ole Ron Paul sure got his @ss handed to him at the debate on Sunday night - the only person to get more BOOs was Hilree Rodman Klintin...so much for that political stance!

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"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Just keep yappin....

Without Aaron Russo...where's Ron Paul? How about a running mate?? Ed Brown???

PS - Danny Riley is not a political prisoner! Hey how much of your net worth is in Liberty Dollars?

"As long as I can have a fast boat, a margarita 
machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
fine."

Jason Giambi

Ron Paul had his yap shouted down by the audience...your boy is only slightly more popular than Dennis Zucchini and these numbers were taken before he laid the egg on Sunday night. Sliding into second is one thing, but this idiot will never make it to first base with performances like that.

Democrat Polls

American Research Group
10/11/2007
w/o Al Gore

Republican Polls

American Research Group
10/11/2007
w/o Newt Gingrich

Democrat Polls

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll
10/13/2007

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll
10/13/2007
w/o Al Gore

Republican Polls

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll
10/13/2007
w/o Newt Gingrich

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"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

So now you're saying everything you read in the media?

Ease up.....I'm just giving you crap.

I know Ron Paul stands about as much of a chance as a snowball in hell but I do like most of the issues he stands for.

In all reality it will turn out to be another ugly election and we'll have to put up with whoever spends the most money.