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Since the much anticipated start of the new rules packages I have been keeping an eye on SoD throughout the year. So far, we have had one 360 win and Brian Smith dominate the other 3 races.

i have also noticed that 305s have been very competitive to say the least when the 2 have shown up. i would say the tires have done exactly what SoD wanted them to do. They have negatied horsepower and made the field more even.

My question then becomes what makes SoD anymore entertaining than a 305 race? I am not taking away anything from 305 sprint cars but at most tracks they are not headlining the show. There is a reason fans pay to see 410 race. They love the speed and horse power. 

Also  sofar we haven't really had any stout 410s show up to race with SoD. Would that make a difference? Would that give more of an advantage to the 410 or do the tires really make that much difference?

Glad to hear it is going well. My question is SOD better or worse than ASCS? I say better. No engine rules are a bigger draw for the fans and offer more possibilities. And ASCS has the World of Outlaws and 410 racing beat from the perspective ASCS has 1500 teams on their heads nationwide, 3x as many as 410s, and they have a much better television package. SOD is better alternative than ASCS and ASCS is much more predominant than the World of Outlaws across much of the country.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

How is no engine rule a bigger draw for the fans when the tires make all the cars the same speed regardless of motor size? 

And actually the question was if 305's can be competitive with 360 or 410 powered cars then how is a SOD race any different than just a 305 race. If you slow Schatz down so much that McKenna Haase can run with him in her 305 at Knoxville won't everyone in the stands  feel like they just watched a 305 race?

That's a sod story. 

Only on small slick tracks is a 305 competitive. On a bigger track like Knoxville it would still join the 360s and 410s though. Especially if you throw in Brad Doty's wing angle rule. Today's ASCS cars are faster and more expensive than WoO cars of yesteryear, plus race fans would rather watch unlimited engine driving prowess that SOD allows. Traction limited, not HP and financial limitations is what puts butts in the seats.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

360 shows seldom draw as big a crowd as 410's do. So slowing down 410's so 360's can run with them will just look like a 360 race. Don't see how 410's skating around like they're on ice at the speeds of a 360 is going to draw crowds. Why would fans give a crap if a car had a 454 big block in it if it runs no faster than a 360? I don't get your logic. 

So some believe that speed is better than racing... here is a tip for you... Top fuel might really get you off. Fire the others that wants actual racing including passing... I'm not sure that a slightly slower speed where the driver has to work is such a bad thing

There is no logic in spending $50,000+ on a motor and another $7,000 to rebuild it every 10 races to continually have locked down bitch fests because they didn't make the track slick enough for passing. How about they just save everyone all the wasted money and grief and unhook the cars so we can see cowboy up every once in a while instead.

Kings Royal 1991

My what a large wing angle you have....

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

I think it's funny that instead of sprint cars just being sprint cars, people are so hung up on knowing what engine size is in a car.  So far the SOD series has done a great job of creating some awesome racing.

For those that have mentioned or are concerned about slowing a 410 car down to a "360 or 305 speed", let me ask you this.  Do you pick the tracks that you go to based off of moisture in the surface?  A 360 on a moist track will go way faster than a 410 on a dry track.  I race a 360 every week at Ohsweken Speedway.  Last year the World of Outlaws put on an awesome show, look up the highlights on youtube.  While it was an awesome show, the fact is the lap times were slower than any weekly race the 360's had there all year long.  We're any fans pissed because they paid for a 410 show and got a "less than 360" show?  Here are some facts.  Every raved about how awesome the WoO race at Ohsweken was, but the fastest lap in the A main was 1.5 seconds slower than the 360 A main lap times from the night before, and over 1 second slower than the Crate sprints from the night before.  So to you guys talking about speed, I'm sure you'd much rather watch crate sprints on a moist track than the WoO on the same track without as much moisture, right?  After all, it's the blazing speeds you're after.  

Stop being so concerned about what labels are on the cars, sprint car racing is awesome, and so far, the SOD series has had some great races.

The last 305 A-main I saw at Attica, the cars were in the low to mid 14 second range. Last night for the Doty A-main only a couple dipped into the 14 second bracket, all others were in the 15's..... So what kind of race did the fans see?  I guess I don't get your logic.  If the 410s were "skating" around slower than the last 305 race I was at, did I just witness a 53 car Outlaw show that was somehow inferior to a 305 show?

SOD wants to equal the cars out with tires. That means even a 360 or possibly a 305 could time trial as fast as a 410 and even run with them in the heats. Is that what you want to see?

I believe the best racing occurs when the cars lose traction and overpower the tires.  The SOD philosophy is to take away tire surface to make that happen, instead of just hoping the track dries or widens out.  Also, by eliminating the engine rules, guys can, if they want to, build more power for less. 

To directly answer your question, I don't really care.  I've seen, and raced in a SOD race and thought it was awesome.  Let's face it, SOD is a regional series.  Donny Schatz isn't going to show up.  I don't think SOD is out to replace the Outlaws, they know their place.  I  absolutely think this is a way better concept than creating a series with lower cubic inch rules and other engine restrictions.  

Who cares if a 305 can time well with 410's.  That just shows that driver can actually drive his car fast.  Most people in the stands don't know the cubic inches of the guys on the track anyway.  At a WoO race at Fremont years ago Jason Sides took is 410 out and put in his 360.  Nobody around me could even tell.

SOD is trying to make a series where big money motors aren't needed.  It's supposed to be about the best driver, not engine

The best sprint car feature I've witnessed in 2016 was a SOD race.

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