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drw40
October 05, 2015 at 07:34:34 AM
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Question........why weren't Lucas Wolfe & Brock Zearfoss penalized for not reporting to the scales after they both were in the top 3 in their heats?  I was listening at the driver's meeting and all drivers were told that they would be penalized if they did not do that.

 



BigRightRear
October 05, 2015 at 07:41:55 AM
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Posted By: raybeard on October 05 2015 at 07:21:39 AM

Did anyone else following the twitter feeds from home notice the CJB team accusing someone (the winning team) of cheating after time trials?

#paulsinthetrailer



I don't tweet...but that sounds like just another worshed up conspiracy theory from Area 51 and would not shock anyone from our area knowing how they parted ways with FF....that car has stigmatized itself from finishing ahead of the Rahmer 51...


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Truth teller
October 05, 2015 at 07:45:58 AM
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Some Outlaw regular results from Sunday:

David Gravel ninth in the B

Paul McMahan 10th in the B

Joey Saldana fourth in the C

Kerry Madesn inth in the C

Jason Johnson 13th in the C

 




Truth teller
October 05, 2015 at 07:46:14 AM
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Some Outlaw regular results from Sunday:

David Gravel ninth in the B

Paul McMahan 10th in the B

Joey Saldana fourth in the C

Kerry Madesn inth in the C

Jason Johnson 13th in the C

 



Truth teller
October 05, 2015 at 07:52:04 AM
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Ooops, sorry, I missed Jason Sides finishing fifth in the C. Don't want to omit a solid run. Four Outlaws couldn't get out of the C-main? Yikes.



WEATHERMAN
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October 05, 2015 at 07:52:30 AM
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Just another poke in the back of Clemans, remember they threw Fred to the curb and then fired Stevie after the defunct money scandal. McMahan didn't even make the race, look where he is in points. Last three years, drivers were said to not be worthy of their ride because they were in the same position. Just saying. Gravel didnt make the show either and look where he is at the time in points. Where these two maybe next year are sure to be a conversation for this drama board. Another is Kerry , if not for the Australian owner where would he be at next year?    Hats off to the 51 team and also a great run for Logan.  




raybeard
October 05, 2015 at 08:05:47 AM
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Where is Nelligan?  I'm sure he'll have a spin on the "stats".

 



raybeard
October 05, 2015 at 08:08:38 AM
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Posted By: BigRightRear on October 05 2015 at 07:41:55 AM

I don't tweet...but that sounds like just another worshed up conspiracy theory from Area 51 and would not shock anyone from our area knowing how they parted ways with FF....that car has stigmatized itself from finishing ahead of the Rahmer 51...



I don't do twitter either, I do not attend the races at Williams Grove, and I certainly do not pay for the dirt vision buffering.  Therefore I follow the twitter feed on PA Posse Racing during races at the Grove.



kart91
October 05, 2015 at 08:53:34 AM
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Racing was good in the feature.  Track turned out to be pretty good and the facilities were in much better shape than I expected.  The 51 car that follows the Outlaw tour is bound to be headed in a different direction next year.  Sammy beats Paul every time they are at the same track in a team that's been together less than 4 months.  

Hard to knock Gravel too hard for not getting into the A.  That 7 car is junk.  

Madsen, and to a lesser extent Saldana, were all over the place in that feature.  Extremely frustrating as a fan to watch that total lack of respect for the other guys out there running for the lead.  Can't imagine what it would be like as a driver dealing with that.

Great job by Henderson in the 69k last night.  First time in the car in the biggest race of the year at the Grove and he was in contention all night.  He's a good racer and was a great choice by Kreitz.




MSPN
October 05, 2015 at 09:02:02 AM
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It was a reverse Knoxville Nationals where the Posse guys usually finish way up in the alphabet.  Start up front, finish up front for the most part all night long.  At least it looked like that the very small bit I could see when it wasn't BUFFERING.  Looking at that crowd, errrr, lack thereof, was this the straw that broke the camels back at the Grove?  I hope sponsors picked up a bunch of the purse, attendance sure didn't.  Ho hum night at best, whcih is a shame having seen about 10 very good National Opens there in the past, the sport is fading almost as fast as NASCAR but can bounce back much faster....



MSPN
October 05, 2015 at 09:14:27 AM
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I see Tim Kaeding WON from 14th at the NSL final over the weekend.  In a field with 8 W of O Feature Winners in it, guess I watched the wrong race with my PPV deal over the weekend, oops.....Congrats TK, I still think that car looked slow most of the year and I know you're not, not sure why....



Truth teller
October 05, 2015 at 09:59:15 AM
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Posted By: MSPN on October 05 2015 at 09:14:27 AM

I see Tim Kaeding WON from 14th at the NSL final over the weekend.  In a field with 8 W of O Feature Winners in it, guess I watched the wrong race with my PPV deal over the weekend, oops.....Congrats TK, I still think that car looked slow most of the year and I know you're not, not sure why....



Four Outlaws that could not out of the C-main. Another two that peaked at ninth in the B.

Quick, change the subject to a race a thousand miles away that paid $43,000 less to win.




Langhorne
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October 05, 2015 at 11:32:50 AM
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Posted By: MSPN on October 05 2015 at 09:14:27 AM

I see Tim Kaeding WON from 14th at the NSL final over the weekend.  In a field with 8 W of O Feature Winners in it, guess I watched the wrong race with my PPV deal over the weekend, oops.....Congrats TK, I still think that car looked slow most of the year and I know you're not, not sure why....



Actually more starters at WG in the top ten at the finish came from outside the top ten at the start, than at that 2nd tier event, but you've never been one to let facts get in the way of some Posse bashing.  And you don't really want to start a debate about the comparative talent level of the two fields do you Mikey?

How ya been?



puckfly
October 05, 2015 at 11:58:42 AM
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Who the heck paid the $130,000 purse?

 

Doesn't WG usually use the gate from Friday to help pay for the Saturday purse?



MSPN
October 05, 2015 at 02:17:24 PM
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Come on, all 6 Heat Races along with the Dash, A B and C mains won from the front row and in looking at the results (watched but struggled with the picture) there was very little passing in any of the races.  The hard charger passed 9 but half of them dropped out and this was a 28 car field, sheesh.....

There is no comparisson between the 8 at I-80 and the 8 locals that have won Outlaw shows.  I think I'll take Steve Kinser, Danny Lasoski, Terry McCarl, Tim Kaeding, Craig Dolansky, Brian Brown, Mark Dobmeier and Brooke Tatnell who have won all over the country vs. any local 8 at the Grove.  So your right it would be foolish to compare the talent, wouldn't you agree...

Cat's doing fine....how's yours......

 

PS  7 of the top ten finishers started in the top 10, please get YOUR facts right, lol and you are oh so right when you talk about facts and Posse fantasy, lots of shovelling there.....




BigRightRear
October 05, 2015 at 02:24:28 PM
Joined: 11/27/2004
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i just visited the Kville website to find that every one of the races on the night of the finals was won from the front row...better hold off on ordering your PPV next year as you might be offended at the irony.


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

MSPN
October 05, 2015 at 03:14:02 PM
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I have said repeatedly in the past that Saturdays Knoxville Final is one of the most disappointing nights of the year when it comes to racing.  Five Features and that's it, especially after what generally happens the first two nights.  People want to stone me when I talk like that, lol.....and they're not Posse Cheerleaders......

On occasion there is a helluva race, they were just uncommon in the many years I was there.  Even you would have to admit that the racing last night was subpar at best and there have been a lot of very good Natty Opens in the past, I saw plenty of them.....



BigRightRear
October 05, 2015 at 03:31:29 PM
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There was in buffered racing / slide jobs all thru the pack last night for those who payed $35 for the experience. 

Heck...how many times each season do you get to see Madsen / Saldaa / Sweet / Sammy smacking it out for he last positions on the track?

Outlaw shows are often won from the front row by virtue of their format...but I do recall Rahmer winning a WoO race at the Grove after starting 24th...and Lance coming from 14th to win a National Open in the good ole days Of the RED 77.

Speaking of the good ole days...when are you coming back for some subpar racing? No need to bring a buffer unless you are going to act a fool like your last visit to the VIP section.

 

 


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May


Truth teller
October 05, 2015 at 03:37:42 PM
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I find it bizarre that any fan of the Outlaws would suddenly complain that there is no passing at a Outlaw show. That is like Jack the Ripper complaining that it isn't safe to walk the streets of 1888 London.

The best racers in the world stay in the back if they don't start up front?



fiXXXer
October 05, 2015 at 04:47:51 PM
Joined: 10/26/2014
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I have a lot on the tip of my tongue concerning the whole Posse vs. Outlaws and the mentality of some of my fellow Posse fans but I'm just gonna swallow it because there's nothing me or anyone else can say that will fix it because as the old saying goes, you can't fix stupid. So that said, I'm just going to say CONGRATS to Stevie, Fred, Moon and the entire Rahmer Motorsports team. Just like when Fred was driving, he and his people are doing some remarkable things. No doubt about it, when I think if greatness, Fred is one of the first to come to mind as well as Stevie. What a season its been for that team. Stevie has been flat out dominant, Freddie and Brandon recently scored their first career wins (MANY more to come), and his promotional efforts have been amazing. Last night was icing on the cake, Stevie held off the best sprint car driver in the world on multiple double file restarts and flat out beat him. As usual, Donny was as classy as he always is. He gave Stevie all the credit and flat said “he was better”. Now, y'all can go back to your childish pissing contest.......





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