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Topic: 19 410s at grove last nite
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August 10, 2015 at
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Everyone here is making some good points , the car count problem is not limited to Grove or any other Pa tracks , its a growing concern nationwide as pointed out by others. Costs, fuel costs , greed of some promoters, not finding ways to lower costs by sanctioning groups, and the overall economy are the problems. I'd really like to see promoters alternate race nights ,more special shows only which is coming , because promoters can't afford to lose money on weekly shows. It should be about improving the shows for the fans as well as making money for the tracks to survive . Have to cultivate new fans for this great sport that we love and are passionate about .
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August 10, 2015 at
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look at the grandstand and infield at the Grove as well...there are OTHER THINGS to DO this time of year...high school football draws from the same fan base - but don't look at me, I can't be bothered with that sport.
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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August 10, 2015 at
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Posted By: turn4guy on August 10 2015 at 01:48:12 AM
I agree with two of the three....but u cant put cheaper and unlimited in the same sentence when it comes to motors
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There are a lot cheaper ways to make 900 hp than with a 410. With smaller harder tires and a wing angle rule you wouldn't even need 900. But the fans still want to watch unlimited like the late models. 410, 360 and 305 limits all detract from the sport.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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August 10, 2015 at
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Posted By: 3Five on August 09 2015 at 10:34:19 PM
I'm not even sure it makes financial sense in the last scenario.
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Ask Fred Rahmer and Stevie Smith if it makes financial sense, obviously you need a Stevie caliber driver and a Rahmer quality owner and crew chief, but it can be done, these guys race less and win more than any combo I can think of.
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August 10, 2015 at
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Shorten the straights a little at the grove and you will have a lot more cars show up for the purse they offer($4000+ bonuses for winning). The racing would also be better, more passing and less strung out.
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August 10, 2015 at
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Posted By: StaggerLee on August 10 2015 at 11:19:06 AM
Ask Fred Rahmer and Stevie Smith if it makes financial sense, obviously you need a Stevie caliber driver and a Rahmer quality owner and crew chief, but it can be done, these guys race less and win more than any combo I can think of.
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Let's talk to the Rahmer Racing $$ supporters before we jump to conclusions on how much $$ that ride makes! I love what they are doing!!
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August 10, 2015 at
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on August 10 2015 at 07:46:26 AM
Motor claims are never good for anything. They worked for IMCA at one time, but that just drove some guys out of IMCA. Down here the mods are in one of two camps. You have some IMCA loyalists who will drive two hours to an IMCA track because the track in their back yard isn't sanctioned. You have "outlaw" mod drivers who don't want anything to do with IMCA tracks or claims. All it does is create division and knock the car counts down at many tracks. It definetly won't work in sprint car racing.
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Once again--I don't like seeing the sport go backwards. However, I was giving a solution (and the only solution) to cutting motor costs. The problem presented was motor costs and how they had to come down. A motor claim is the only way to actually bring the motor costs down throughout a racing class. There are no other ways. There are ways for an individual team to bring down their own motor costs-likely at a competitive cost in the class. But, as long as big dollars exist anywhere in the sport, you will never keep motor costs down with any rules that do not include dollar$. The only way to incorporate dollars into the rules-motor claim. Not saying I want a motor claim rule. Not saying it wouldn't wreck the 410's and drive guys out. But that wasn't what I was responding to. I was responding to getting motor costs under control. That is the ONLY way to police all motors within a class.
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August 11, 2015 at
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Posted By: egras on August 10 2015 at 09:17:20 PM
Once again--I don't like seeing the sport go backwards. However, I was giving a solution (and the only solution) to cutting motor costs. The problem presented was motor costs and how they had to come down. A motor claim is the only way to actually bring the motor costs down throughout a racing class. There are no other ways. There are ways for an individual team to bring down their own motor costs-likely at a competitive cost in the class. But, as long as big dollars exist anywhere in the sport, you will never keep motor costs down with any rules that do not include dollar$. The only way to incorporate dollars into the rules-motor claim. Not saying I want a motor claim rule. Not saying it wouldn't wreck the 410's and drive guys out. But that wasn't what I was responding to. I was responding to getting motor costs under control. That is the ONLY way to police all motors within a class.
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...or like I said, shorten those ridiculously long straights and you don't need a $50,000 bullet to have a chance. Better racing and money saved - you kill 2 birds with 1 stone. I love the Grove but lets face it; it's the definition of a "motor track".
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