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It should be those against illegal drugs . Big difference. 

I don't aim to please.
I aim to hit the target.

Maybe many should look past personal use, not driving under the influence or a owner firing a driver for petty issues but a driver is a pivital position on a team and has responsibilities with it that may affect more than oneself,  ie; crew employment, the owners reputation and risk, and self.  If many in this sport approached it alittle more professional and less local yocal saturday night dirt tracking it might be taken alittle more serious and start to find corporate monies. Until then, think small be small and keep listening to streaming broadcasts instead of live TV.

CAJ

What was tk charged with a few year back at Knoxville?

You are a fool.  Driver tests I saw  with mj smokers showed they drove worse.  Pot heads make up all this that they can sing better, paint better, drive better when on mj.  You just think so in your pot smoked brain.

It should be those against illegal drugs . Big difference.

Since this thread was NOT about prescription drugs I didn't feel it necessary to differentiate!

 
I LEARNED ESP FROM MY MOM

"PUT YOUR SWEATER ON: DON'T YOU THINK I KNOW WHEN 
YOU'RE COLD?"

Something happened for sure. Some of the information leaked out. Some of the information ended up on HH. It was asked to be removed.

By hiding information you open up a world of people thinking they know or guessing what happened.

Its natural for a Parent to try and down play anything that happens to their child. 

Saying its just headaches turns it into a real headache.

Yeah, you have a great point there.  Dirt track drivers should pattern themselves after the starts of other bigger sports with TV contracts like the NFL and NBA.  I'm sure we could learn some valuable lessons and get those big TV deals if the drivers behaved like those guys. 

Stan Meissner

Well this pot smoked brain thinks you're misinformed and highly misguided. If you anti-weed nancys would open your damn minds to this stuff you'd see its not nearly the demon that the government has been lying to you about for your entire lives. Guaranteed there are old farts here that could throw away a good majority of their prescription meds that are harmful and get better results from cannabis. It's safe and effective medicine whether you aim to cure what ails ya or put your mind in a better more peaceful place.  

Cheers!

Henry, have you ever sat at a stop sign and waited for it to turn green...?     :/ 

Opinions may vary...

I'm pretty sure that anyone who insinuates that driving under the effect of MJ is even remotely close to driving stone cold sober is misinformed and highly misguided.

I'm not even sure how you can compare the two. And I'm not an "anti-weed nancy." 

I guess the folks that got busted can answer..."is prison a more peaceful place?"

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Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
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weather." Van May

Because someone sold you a T-shirt one time with their name on it their private life should now be an open book to you. Your whole theory here is based off of what the current media wants you to think, because if the public believes this theory that means that the public figures will think they need to admit everytime they do something wrong and what does that mean, it means Fox News and every other shitty news organization gets to put up those bold letters at the bottom of the screen "BREAKING NEWS". Ask Martha Stewart how this theory works, because according to it, you fess up to wrong doing and ask for forgiveness and then the public forgives you and everyone's happy and moves on, didn't seem to work that way for her for a word she said 30 some years ago. We live in a day in age where it seems we all like to judge everyone elses wrong doings because it takes the focus off of ourselves for awhile and we can think in our head, "I'm so much better than that." Even if TK put out a statement and said what happened, this board would still be lit up with speculation and people saying their lying about what happened and that isn't what really happened or claiming he's a drug addict, so why should they feed the fire, let people speculate for awhile and within a month or so it will be all but forgotten about. What heals wounds like this is time. I'm sure that TK has talked to and dealt with the issue with the people in his life that are important enough for him to do so, as for me, he owes me nothing, I simply wish him the best and hope things work out for him and I have a feeling they will.

Its sure good this board wasn't around in Opperman's day, or for the most part most of the guys from the 70's, it would have been able to have its own Pot smoking section where you could just talk about and judge the guys who smoke pot. 

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First of all, I support 0 tolerance for any non prescription drug that is illegal.  You do the crime, you do the time.  Throughout my career I had to deal with workers that used, all the way from weed to heroin to meth.  I was one that received the call from a lab with results from drug test and required to terminate those that failed.  I have heard every excuse imaginable, was once offered sex, have been offered drugs, money and other items for a second chance.  This from workers knowing they were to be tested and still failed.  I once had a drug dealer tell me that he offered weed at a low price and sometimes for no charge (especially to young girls) at all.  And later when he found them high, offered other drugs, knowing that they were vulnerable. He told me that if he could catch me in a high or weak moment,  get me to do some crack,  HE COULD OWN MY HOUSE!  Just one time with crack.  I'm sure that those on this forum that support  legalizing weed will argue this point.  However I have know very few people that went from alcohol to crack but many that have gone from weed to crack.  And to those that do crack, smock another joint, it will make you feel better, may even cure you.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/22/yale-study-alcohols-gateway-effect-much-larger-than-marijuanas/

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Weed straight to crack?? Wow! Amazingly stupid. Alcohol and tobacco are the gateway drugs, thats been proven over and over again. I have known hundreds of hard working accomplished people who enjoy cannabis but never has ANY of them made the jump to crack because they were vulnerable and high on "pot". Such a ridiculous assertion. This is the type of patent lie that must be eliminated if we are to ever have an intelligent conversation about the legality of cannabis in America. The people who always "know so much about pot and its damage" are always the ones with little to no factual information about it and its real effects. There is no direct path from "weed use to crack use" ever. The effects of the two couldn't be two more dissimilar. It's like saying someone who is addicted to sleeping pills is going to get addicted to caffiene. 

Cheers!

Oh man don't go confusing them with actual facts! These people know weed will lead you straight to crack. Next thing you'll be whoring your ass out on the corner to get that next joint of dope. You'll be robbing your grandma to score that next bag of mexi dirt weed since you're all hopped up on that evil reefer. Thats the fantasy world according to them.

Cheers!

Are you looking for the "rational substantive discourse" that involves making "ridiculous assertions" like people under the influence are better drivers?

Like I previously stated, I have no major issue with weed and think people should be allowed to use it in a safe and responsible manner.

However, it has absolutely no part in or around a sport where you have 900-horsepower racecars in speeds excess of 120 miles.

This is the type of thing that could absolutely ruin dirt racing as we know it. What insurance company is going to want to go near a dirt organization that has no drug policy?

If I were WRG, I'd be getting one together fast, or have fun finding tracks that will book an event knowing they won't be able to get insured. 

Nowhere did I say I support using any drugs and then racing. I took exception to the idea that people who are under the effects of cannabis drive worse than everyone else. From my first hand experience that just doesn't hold any water. Obviously racers shouldn't be impaired while racing and that goes for caffeine, nicotine, prescription mind alterants, etc etc. Hell I'd argue a hungover driver might be the greatest risk to lives on a racetrack. Talk about impaired and slowed motor skills.

Cheers!

I know someone made comment earlier about driving a car under the influence, but that isn't related to the subject of what happened, no 1 was caught driving a race car under the influence and there isn't a claim that anyone was racing while under the influence. 

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Wow.. I guess you missed my point.. Once you make a living from an image that relies on the public to consume that image,  like it or not.. You lose your right to privacy. At that time you are no different to Coca Cola,  McDonald's etc etc... And for that matter.. General Motors.  Their actions become news worthy.  Hot coffee,  ignition locks... All impact the public that  consumes their products. 

If you want to sell your name /image,  then suck it up.. It is then  a "product"  and the good and bad come with the $$ that you received for selling your "product" 

Responsibility of the image of the product in this case is an individual's choice. Today's society of allowing people to make bad decisions without consequences is what creates the downward spiral of an excuse driven generation. 

In short... No matter my personal view point (which by the way is very libertarian... And I believe in you can't have victimless crimes,  so therefore all drugs should be legal... But people Must be held accountable for their actions while impaired the same as they would be if they were not under the influence) the current legal system has laws and if you do the crime then man the fuck up and do the time.