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This is one you don't want to miss. We got some info on Tim Kaeding's exit and unlike everyone else, we talked about it. I get pretty fired up in this one and I think it's an important show. Hope you like it.

http://wfopenwheel.com/2014/04/30/episode-8-wsc-the-roth-83-and-phantom-headaches/

couple of things

 nothing against them but i don't recal the roth car having any woo titles. it does have an NST title.

also the tiner car that gravel won in this year is not an outlaw car. rod will tell you himslf it is a local rent-a-ride. great job by those guys!

now about the TK deal. you guys did a lot of tap dancing around a bunch of stuff you admit you have no solid knolege of.

you made innuendo and mention of stuff but you even said you don't know what is going on. you mentioned drugs in racing and tyler walker. why even bring it up if you aren't going to confirm or deny it? why add to the mystery?

so you spent a lot of time dancing around but in the end just added to the speculation.

not good.

you would have been better off just leaving it alone.

to indy and beyond!!

I don't feel like we tap danced around anything. We got a bit of knowledge about the situation and let out all that we had. We were able to confirm that something did go down and that TK did not leave the ride willingly or because of some illness like a good portion of sprint car fans currently believe. I was not, nor will I ever be prepared to speculate and spread rumors that could be harmful to someone or their family. I have too much respect for those guys out there to do that. If that's not enough for you I truly am sorry, but that's more than you have gotten from any other source, which is why we included it. I really appreciate you listening and providing feedback. 

bullshit!

if at this time you felt you had to update people and say you now cannot confirm your report that TK left due to headaches, then so be it.

why continue to talk about something you admit you can not confirm or don't even know what the actual story is? why even asscociate the story with something you can't confirm?

why not just say you can't confirm the driver left for the prior stated reason and at this time you have no confirmation of anything else?

you spent a lot of time talking about things that other people have done that by your own admission you can't connect to this story.

not good.

to indy and beyond!!

I have to agree,,,for the big headlines nothing but talk with no facts. Alot of whishy whashy about what maybe happened to leave everyone up in the air only to drag on the saga!

I think you are confused friend. We didn't talk about anything we couldn't confirm. We confirmed that it was not headaches and that TK got in some sort of trouble that led to him being removed from the seat. I understand you want more information, I do too. That's why I was so upset that nobody is talking about this. The most anybody has talked about this issue before now was when Kyle Larson said TK got into trouble. We never attempted to connect anything. Bringing up the drugs topic was just that, a separate topic. I said in the show that in no way we were saying that was connected to the TK issue. The topic just came up in discussion. I think if you listened to the show again it might become a little more clear for you. I sympathize that you want information, but giving me a hard time for relaying the information we have is a touch misguided in my opinion. 

The only people dragging out the saga are the ones who actually have information and refuse to release it or inform everyone. That was the point of the entire discussion. We gave you the facts we had from the sources we got them from. We are as upset as you are that the true story hasn't come out

don't try to back track on ME!

you spent plenty of time deving into dubious things surrounding sprint car racing and what otheres involved in the sport have done while all the while insisting you can't make the same connection in this case.

no reson to even go there.

you say you want to inform people and they need to know the story then you shadow box with unconnected things other people have done.

like i said if you felt you had to update your earlier reporting, then so be it. but you yourself said you have nothing else to confirm...correct?

then leave it at that.

to indy and beyond!!

Maybe the best thing to do is nothing untill facts do surface. Otherwise its adding fuel to the fire.If the true facts never come out so be it ,,move on!

To me it reeks of blatant trolling for listeners hinting that you would unveil facts surrounding controversy. Instead,  you danced.  Real shame because you try to sell interest in  the show based on telling it like it is warts and all.. 

How about you stop pretending to be investigative reporters in the various subjects until you actually investigate. 

The way you try to cover your ass on not saying what you know (based on hear say)  comes across as amatuer hour 

Nicely said Cobra!

bullshit!

you square danced with a bunch of dubious stuff that you had no reason to even relate to. then said you have no ide what is going on.

once you said you can't confirm TK left because of the reasons in your proir reporting, why go on with stuff you don't have any knowledge of?

until you have a confirmed story, why even suggest stuff then turn around and try to walk away from it?

to indy and beyond!!

you said exactly what i clouldn't get into words because i'm so pissed and was trying to control myself.

ha...me control myself....hahahah!

to indy and beyond!!

No trolling for listeners or pretending to it. We relay the information we have. We habe nothing to confirm at this point, but we were able to confirm that TK did not vacate the seat of his own accord. I understand that you gentlemen might have already had that info, but many people who listen to the show did not. Just because we tell it like it is does not mean that we will make things up or speculate about rumors. We told it like it is, there's just not much to tell. 

Wow.. Now if that was your original post.. How many people do you think would have listened... 

Try that example of honesty next time and credibility will become the by product and people may embrace as opposed to how I think we feel that we are deliberately misled 

then say what you know and leave it at that.

no reason to go into details of what other people might have done or have done in the same breath.

you said you were upset that people were not getting the real story, then you proceeded to talk about a bunch of unconnected stuff like it had any bering on anything and then end up saying you know nothing.

if you think people are not getting the story and you have info that you believe is true, then you either have to go with it and face the consequences that might come your way, or just STFU.

i don't know what you may or may not know, and it seems you don't either.

you just talked a bunch of shit.

to indy and beyond!!

I'm sorry you boys feel that way, I really do. The entire point of the show is to engage and inform. We never made any promises in the original post. I said we got some info and we talked about it. Theres plenty of people with more info than us who are not talking. The name of the show is The Roth 83 and Phantom Headaches. We addressed the current situation with the Roth 83 and the headaches. We also said it is a developing story that we will be following. Admittedly, we didn't have a ton of info or anything groundbreaking, but we never promised that either. We are left with more questions than answers, but as frustrating as that may be if we get more people asking the questions then the ones with the answers will hopefully enlighten us. Beyond that I think we will have to agree to disagree. I do thank you for your enthusiasm though. 

i've said my piece.

there only thing you said that makes any sense in that whole pile of crap you just posted is.....sorry.

to indy and beyond!!

The problem with something like this is that it hasn't been reported and you have no factual information to report upon. I don't think it's a "cover-up" as much as there's nothing concrete to report upon. I know Gators0849 was working on something but hasn't had any updates. I've actually searched for any kind of record to confirm anything and have came up dry. 

Something is odd - but I don't think this is some kind of conspiracy or cover-up. You can't report what you don't have factually backed unless you want to spend quite a long time in court defending. 

I do think this is link-bait - listened to the segment on Kaeding but the only thing you have is weak speculation by Kyle Larson. It's almost planned out - you bring them in with the "sexy" lead and then basically throw a ton of crap against the wall about possible reasons Kaeding is out of the car. 

Everyone acts like this is the first time someone has parted ways with Roth Motorsports.

Since we are on the subject then, I want to know why all their drivers parted ways!

Tim Kaeding,Brent Kaeding,Bud Kaeding,Randy Hannigan,Paul McMahan,Ronnie Day, Joey Saldana, Jac Haudenschild, Tim Shaffer, Sammy Swindell, Danny Lasoski, Mark Kinser, Kasey Kahne, Brandon Wimmer & Shane Stewart.

it seems the conspiracy  goes way deeper than just TK lmao