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Heres my 2 cents...  Stop locking in the top 35  or whatever the stupid number is !  How about everybody show up each week with a clean slate and get ready for it ....  Race your way in !!!!!   What kinda bullshit sends a guy that is faster home because somebody else had more points !!!!!!  And for those cars that didnt qualify in on there own , have a 50 or 75 lap B main.  As far as points go , run it like any weekly track does ! The guy with the most points at the end of the season wins the championship !   Make Jimmy Spencer the director of competition .  

Couldn't agree more

The Good - Every Race Matters

The Great - Every Driver will race their ass off to win a race.

The Better - Every single chase race will be as exciting as the Richmond race has been the last 2 years.

the Best - Homestead will be a can't miss race

no driver will be the last man standing in Homestead without earning it.  that is for sure.

you forgot the embarrassing:

a driver could win 10 races and dominate the series all year and get beat in the last race by someone who has 2 wins and not be the champion.

so how would that whole idea of wins meaning something work out?

got to be the dumbest thing little france has done.

to indy and beyond!!

i'm pretty sure they did away with the top 35 in points locked in already. i think they did it last year.

to indy and beyond!!

Sounds similar to the WoO in 2013....

when the green flag drops, the bullshit stops!

no. not even close.

the woo never came out and said they were implementing a system that was going to determine the championship based on wins or that wins were going to be the main focus.

the guy who got the most points won the woo championship just like things should be done.

matt kenseth got the most wins and didn't win the cup points last year.

it is not too hard to imagine someone getting the most wind this coming year in cup and not be the top finishing car out of the four eligible in the final event.

so how does that equate to the focus on winning?

to indy and beyond!!

I don't know if the initial concept of the chase was because NASCAR didn't think the old points system worked. Really, what is the best way to crown a "true champ" other than the guy with the most points after a grueling 36 race schedule?  All the changes made through the years didn't affect summer racing too much and I can only think of one reason for the chase format.......football. NASCAR didn't want someone running away with the points in September & making the races that compete with the NFL irrelevant....hence the chase. 

Good post.  I agree with most of what you said.  When the chase started, it did EVERYTHING to push me towards football.  I hate the chase, and every change since.  Do away with it, please...

The ones who grew up watching Allison, Petty, and Pearson won't be around forever. NASCAR is similiar in popularity to  NBA, MLB, and even NFL. All of which have playoffs. NASCAR boomed after Dale Earnhardt's death and yes, several of those fans have since left. If it wasn't for the Chase, all of them may have left as Johnson would've wrapped the title up by August. They have to relate more to those sports to be considered relavant. Already, I think it will be interesting to fill out a bracket at the beginning of the chase to see who I think will make it to the next round. I'm ok with everything the new chase offers with the exception of a one race "winner take all." 

That being said, If the 2011 Chase between Stewart and Edwards didnt bring in millions of new fans, what will?

-Austin Rankin

Like the Patriots beating the Rams.  Or the Giants beating the Patriots.  Was that embarrassing?  Or exciting.

Based on your argument it sounds like you prefer that a driver get a 300 point lead 20 races in and the rest of the season doesn't matter.  The races become no passing frieght trains of boredom no one cares about.  Wait.  That is what happend.  Which is exactly why NASCAR changed it.

Perhaps based on  your argument every sport should just play a regular season and the team with the best record at the end is the champion.

Now that would be the dumbest things a major sport could do.

i never sais anything remotely referring to wanting someone to get a big points lead early in the season.

it is nascar that is saying more focus and more importance on winning is what they want.

all i am pointing out is this new format makes it possible for someone to win a bunch of races and not win the championship. how does that put the emphasis on winning?

as far as your comment about every sport crowning a champion who has the best record, auto racing isn't like every other sport. it never has been and it shouldn't try to be.

the other sports don't have all their teams on the playing field all at once. in cup there are 43 teams on the field every event all competing against each other. in other sports you don't run a play off with all the other teams that are not in competition for the championship on the field at the same time as the contenders, getting in the way.

the chase sucks. this new chase sucks even more and it has the potential to do exactly the opposite of what nascar says it wants.

to indy and beyond!!

Buzz, I'm referring to the line about having the most wins and not winning the championship. It's obvious both NASCAR and the WoO have the same mindset of you can win the most races in a season and be dominant, but at the end of the day its rewarding consistency over wins

when the green flag drops, the bullshit stops!

maybe i misunderstood.

anyway, i am not saying the driver with the most wins should be the champ and i'm not saying winning shouldn't matter.

all i am trying to point out is that NASCAR says they want the emphasis to be more on winning and for winning to mean more.  then they implement this goofy system that can potentially eliminate the driver with the most wins after the first cut in the playoffs. let's say there is a driver that dominated the season and had 8-10 wins going into the first set of play off events. there are 16 drivers in the first set of play off events. there are three events in the first elimination round. they eliminate 4 cars after the first three events. 

so just how much of a reward is it if the guy who dominated and had the most wins ends up having bad luck over those three events and is eliminated?

what if that driver does make it to the final round and has dominated and at the final event where only 4 drivers are in contention that driver gets beat by one of the other cars in contention? how did that reward them for all their wins? what if someone who has won a bunch of races during the year gets knocked out of contention after the first 3 chase events and then wins the next 5 events? they still can't be champion because they were eliminated in the first round. how did that reward winning.

again it is not me who is saying i think the guy who wins the most should be the champ. it is nascar who is saying the emphasis will be on winning. i just don't like the idea of someone who has had a great season with wins and consistant finishes getting knocked out of contention if they have some bad luck in the first round of the chase.

you do know this format will still leave the opportunity for the champ to be someone who hasn't won a race?

you can get into the chase on points. you can advance in the playoffs by points, with out winning. if you do win a playoff event you advance to the next round automatically, no matter what points you get in that round. then if you make it to the final 4 you can win the championship just by finishing ahead of the other three drivers.

to indy and beyond!!

If they had used this system last year Dale Earnhardt Jr. would have won the championship. Dale Jr. was unable to win a single race last year. So I'm not sure how this puts any emphasis on winning races.

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I wanted to repost this and have someone tell me what would be wrong with this system and tell me if you would like it.it seems pretty simple but i could be wrong 

It wouldn't work because Nascar can't even figure out a good way to crown a champion. I like the idea in theory but Nascar always figures out a way to screw things up hints the chase. Nascar was actually gaining popularity in the mid 90's when tracks could not add enough seats to fit demand for tickets. I remember my parents being put on a wait list back in 1996 for tix at Michigan, and now you can walk up the day of the race and buy tickets.

The chase actually happened the year after Kenseth won with only 1 win and Newman won 7 or 9 races the same year. Penske threw a fit about it and said that it wasn't right neglecting the fact that Newman also had several DNFs that year. So Nascar basically decided to revamp the point system to try to compete with the NFL which is the most idiotic thing to do in America.

Have a season champion based on points; have a "tournament" champion for the "Chase".  Split the pot.

What will qualifying be like with 43+ cars on the track at the same time at Martinsville? They can not pass on the outside during the race!  Will the faster cars have to push the others up out of the bottom groove to be able to get a faster time? You know how many tracks are hard to pass on, where the tv commentater says track possition is very important. I see crashes and flareing tempers coming in qualifying at these tracks. Which means racing gets more expensive for the teams that can least afford it. 10 min of qualifying may be more exciting for the Nascar fans than the 4 hr race that follows!