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Hopefully u get some advice from POSSE people ... I recently read on here that they are " proffessionals ".  Good luck 

I ran the distributor/lightweight battery for 2 years in my UMSS Traditional non wing sprint but had problems 3 nights and missed a couple races so switched to a used magneto and have had no problems. The cost of the battery and 3 distributors was more than my used magneto system so didn't save any money either.  You definitely get more juice out of the magneto than the distributors so maybe that is the reason guys use them plus the few pounds it will save.

We al know what happened to Tony Stewart's leg... now add to that either a battery flying around, are a battery ripped apart spewing acid as you are flipping your ass off.  No thanks. 

We spent all of 2013 testing the exact system we're selling online now.  We pushed the limits of the batteries to see exactly where the stopping point was and also did make more horsepower on the dyno with the distributor than we did the magneto.  As far as weight:

The box is lighter than an MSD box used with a magneto, the distributor is lighter than a magneto, the only added weight is a coil (which weighs hardly anything) and a 2.2lb battery (plus whatever mount you use for the battery - we offer an aluminum mount that weighs less than the battery).

Our kit comes with 2 batteries and we highly recommend that you switch out the batteries after each race.  We have ran as long as 1 full night on the same battery but again, we were pushing the batteries to see their limits.  For optimal performance, swap the batteries after hotlaps, qualifying, heat races, consolation races, features.  Our kit includes a rapid charger to charge the battery in between races and then a balance charger to re-charge all the cells during the week.

Also, the cost.  Our distributor kit costs less than a new MSD Magneto with box, wires, and clamp.  Obviously we cannot compete with used prices as our parts are new but we are cheaper than a new magneto setup.  (ALL parts except the batteries are MSD products.)  Additional distributors and boxes are quite a bit cheaper than magnetos as well even with buying the coil too.

We understand that this isn't for everyone but, if you find yourself in a position of needing a new ignition system, why not go with one that is 1. cheaper and 2. helps promote more horsepower?  Seems logical to us....

Good luck in 2014 guys/gals!

www.racesuppliers.com
[email protected]
888-571-4157

Our batteries are lithium (no acid to worry about), very lightweight and if used with our mount, it is secured under the hood of the car and not in the drivers compartment like you see most batteries on sprint cars.

www.racesuppliers.com
[email protected]
888-571-4157

Sounds like one more bit of nightly maitinance/attention  for the owner/crew, with fueling,tires,offsets,wings,gears,shocks,suspension,ect ect, there is a boatload of wrenching going on in a sprinter almost nonstop,  this might not be the ticket for everybody?, but, some will find its usefullness and advantages, thats cool,  for me  personally,  I have been in a sprint since 2005 i use to race IMCA trashifieds ,  Ive used the most inexpensive magneto on the market, when I began and humbley still use,   with its low form of technology(points) i have only experianced one ignition  failure in about 125 nights of competition ,  Mallory isnt the largest HP mag out there but I can testify  not much bad about them , mine have been routinely checked in the off season and repaired if nessessary,  I simply dont miss the days of charging a battery, make sure the generator is running, is it charging, is it fully charged, is it going weak, ect ?,  I just like the Mag much much better, but,  to each thier own. in the search for HP I am going to the MSD on one mill next season. i will truely find out if the added $$ is worth the money spent, alltho its going to be like compairing apples to oranges beings one is a completly different engine than the other (smaller ) one. i think the Key here is for a racer to get comfortable with his items, sometimes failure guains understanding of a product, my observations it to try understand the product so you can perform a repair if nessessary, (just snowballing a item and throwing it in the dumpster) that doesnt help make you faster unless you have givin it a respectfull time frame to perform to your liking.. we all know when the "garage toss" ,"heave hoe", "cannonball"or just  checking the shop press...  is about to happen when you have had enuff with a piece and your race season is half over and still chasing the same problem!!! .. frustration sets in ,   lol I HAVE admittingly  put a item out of missory so I didnt sell the POS to some unlucky sole to destroy thier life with .. i will not mention any items or product names   either way, with frustration in motorsports , I think most racers on here know exactly what im talking about.

I have an Electromotive Crank Trigger Assembly for sale on IOW (HHClassifieds isn't working?).  It's pretty neat, not sure if it's exactly what you are looking for, but figured I would give it a shot.

http://www.indianaopenwheel.com/showthread.php?t=74313

Electromotive Ignition System for sale:

$1050

Included:
Brain
(1 set) Coils and wires for a std firing V8.  Will also work with a midget!
All wiring for car
Beast ultra lightweight Battery and Charger with remote charging wire for easy access.
Crank Trigger pickup sensor.
Extra (Never used) Odyssey battery.

Unit only has 20 shows on it. Purchased a new engine, and sold engine that this unit was being used on. Fires much smoother than an MSD, or standard vertex type ignition. Has timing adjustment knobs that can knock timing out of engine at certain RPM's, and adjusted throughout the night when the track gets slick. Also has built in Rev limiter that is adjustable to any RPM. Many of the top midget teams use these because they never lose any timing from the camshaft "flex" at high RPM.

Retail on this unit is about $1400, with no battery. This battery and charger were about $350, plus the Odyssey battery.

Comes with all paperwork, and instructions as well.

http://www.electromotive.us/products/xdi.php

Any questions feel free to email, or call.

[email protected]
248-933-1424

Thanks but we race a 305 and crank triggers are not allowed.  Hoping to get a little more ponies out of this thing and really considering a distributor to do so.

I am not an expert but can tell you a few observations.  It was about 1990 that several top WOO teams tried the electronic ignition with battery.  This lasted but 1 season.  I saw this with Sammy, he ran hot laps just fine, went out for race and engine would not fire.  I am sure the ignitions are alot better now.  We have ran a MSD ign. and a Mallroy sprint mag on a machine and the MSD ignition had a much better spark but that does not mean the Mallroy was bad.  We never had a Vertex or Mallroy mag fail,  we did have a MSD fail with an almost new Mag.  I do not know what you call them but 1 of the 8 timing tabs broke off.  All  magnetos should be checked and freshened up every year.  Most 305 sprint groups will not allow MSD mags.

We were the test dummies for this setup from Race Suppliers.  We ran it all season with 3 dnf's and just like they said, it was because we were pushing the batteries to their limits (at their request) and running them all night long without charging or replacing to find the dead point for them.  The ignition system is the same system used on modifieds and late models all across the country and you see very few ignition failures in those cars anymore.  The battery is the only difference in the deal and like they said, as long as you keep the battery charged or replace between races, there will be no issues.  The only times we had failures - again - was when we ran a battery for too long ex: cold nights where you crank the car and do a lot of idling before each race or you have really long races without replacing between races.  A fresh battery will easily make it through a 30 lap A main with cautions - and then some, we ran numerous nights all night long with the same battery without re-charging.  It was just those cold nights where you crank the car to build temp that the battery wouldn't make it all night (it would make it fine if you crank up and let warm up before the race and then go race, but if you try to do a lot of idling on the same battery all night, there will be an issue) or if you have to run a heat, b, and a, it won't make it to the end if there are a lot of cautions.  We finally started changing it regularly because we did find the limit and that's what we were helping search for.  Change the battery between races and you'll have no failures and be happy with the performance.

And the mount they speak of, is an aluminum mount that just dzuses in and it has quick disconnect battery cables.  You can swap this battery out in literally seconds if you use their mount as well.  Really a nice setup, glad we could R&D it for you guys and we will be running it again in 2014.  We have actually sold all of our magnetos and switched all of our motors over to a distributor setup.  The best part is you buy the kit once, you'll get the batteries and chargers you need, and then additional distributors and boxes are less than what a used MSD magneto with box costs.

Here are what you can buy the additional distributors, boxes and coils for from our friends at RaceSuppliers.com:

$265.97 Distributor, $239.95 Box, $49.95 - total $555.87

As an owner/driver, I love the idea of saving money and making more power, it worked great for us.  Thanks to the guys at RaceSuppliers.com for their help this season, glad we could be a part of it and look forward to doing it again in 2014.

Are you the team in Texas using this setup?  I'm in Oklahoma and have been hearing about this and trying to find out who was using it.  Please send me your contact info.  I have some questions for you.