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November 28, 2013 at
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Posted By: yardfun on November 27 2013 at 09:46:02 PM
Do you know, for a fact, which ASCS region "enforces the rules".
What does enforcing the rules mean to you, or these "drivers that were not happy with Warrior region rule enforcement.
This is not an attack on your post. Just wondering.
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November 28, 2013 at
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The Warrior region can't survive with as many races as they had at US36 last year. When relative locals like Brown and Lasoski would rather sit home than run there, you have a big problem. The track seemed to improve as the year went on, but it was customary to see the cars bounce side to side sliding through 1 and 2. With LA dropping sanctioning and the rest of the area tracks, except for the Valley, closed, they are going to have a hard time finding tracks that 20-24 cars will show up at 15-18 times a season. LA seems to be a good track in a good environment. If they make the points worth racing for, I can see drivers choosing to be there all season, fitting Warrior races in around it. No one can win the Warrior title without racing at US36, and those drivers that don't race there (Martin, Bellm, Allenbaugh, Blank, etc.) may be enticed to commit to weekly shows at LA. I would certainly enjoy the LA option on weeks not in Knoxville.
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November 28, 2013 at
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Posted By: vega on November 28 2013 at 07:52:17 AM
You can bet that there will be races scheduled on top of each other - going to be no way around that. It has been put out there that ASCS will be at Randolph County on July 5 along with August 30/31. LA is showing on their schedule that they will have WOW there on all three of those dates. Figure that there will be more to come.
I'm just wondering what really brought this all on. Looking back through the results for the Warrior Region the only track they seemed to be down on cars is at US36, but that should have been expected. The track is on the outer fringes of where their core drivers come from and if I remember right most of those races were on a Friday which would make it tough for some of those guys to get there.
Hawker if you think back WOW also ran in Sedalia on Friday nights one year as well. That is the year that Earl Walls ran the track. I remember they had some Saturday shows that year as well, but the bulk of their schedule was on Fridays in Sedalia.
I've worked with both groups in the past and really never had any complaints about either one. When ASCS bought WOW the tracks did have a bigger marketing machine to help with promoting the shows in ASCS which helps. On the flip side of that the sanctioning fee also tripled from what it had been under WOW. That is kind of tough to swallow on the track side. My understanding is that is also why LA cancelled their ASCS shows last year because the sanction fee increased over what it had been.
Saw the press release where the Warrior Region will be back under ASCS next year and they have quotes from Larry Hol and Jerry Jenkins, but nothing from Randy Combs. Makes me wonder if he is going to be back in 2014 or jumping over to WOW.
Also think back to 2010 when they guys that had Sedalia decided to run sprints weekly. They only ran 1/3 of the season, but in that time there were some shows that were on top of each other with ASCS. The Sedalia car counts were down while the ASCS counts stayed pretty consistent. Things is that it still split not only the drivers, but the fans on where they went to watch. Wasn't great for either group and not seeing how this will be either.
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I remember those Friday nights....Some of those were really good races!
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November 28, 2013 at
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So is it a lack of rule enforcement or a problem with US36? That track has had that same problem in turn 1 for as long as I can remember, so I don't see anything changing there. I always wondered at what point do you avoid the track altogether as opposed to avoiding the obstacle on the track and racing around it, and I think I saw it last year with a lot of guys choosing to save equipment and stay away. It's a shame. I love the place and was glad to see that he expanded his schedule last year so I'd hate to see it scaled back this coming season.
If they're looking for other tracks, CMS is reopening.
http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/news/local-sports1/2993389/Central-Missouri-Speedway-set-to-reopen-in-spring
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Posted By: Scott T on November 27 2013 at 04:46:02 PM
I agree with almost everything you said, but I strongly disagree that ASCS typically tries to stiff-arm any other series in the area by scheduling on top of their shows. I can only speak my opinion as a businessman, I would think ASCS is no different then any other business, do your own thing, concentrate on your own business and don't worry about what other people are doing. If they schedule on top of another race, well that's just business! I think this is more Archie against ASCS then ASCS against Archie....not sure why. Either way it's not for the betterment of 360 racing in this area....again, just my opinion.
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As Scott makes a good part of his living by supporting ASCS, I can't see how his opinion can be consdered valid!
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November 29, 2013 at
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HAHAHAHA.... I've been wondering for a couple days where the line is between journalist and PR representative. Also been wondering if the races at LA are going to get and coverage/stories on the biggest racing site in the midwest. Also trying to remember if Lake Ozark speedway got hammered this hard when they ran a weekly 360 show.
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November 29, 2013 at
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Posted By: ColtanW on November 25 2013 at 10:42:26 PM
http://www.laraceway.com/Events%20Schedule/default.html
Anyone know what this is all about? Just from looking at it with no knowledge of the situation it looks like a rival startup to the ASCS Warriors that is going to run (almost) weekly at La Monte... Doesn't sound like a terribly great idea as splitting car counts isn't ideal. Anyone got the full story or know what is going on here???
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I was unable to find the " original " payout. But I wasn't surprised.
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November 29, 2013 at
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Posted By: The OIL MEDIC on November 28 2013 at 07:56:47 PM
As Scott makes a good part of his living by supporting ASCS, I can't see how his opinion can be consdered valid!
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So does that mean we should discredit any opinion you have on that 305 nonsense since you have a financial/sponsorship stake in teams?
305's are the herpes of sprint cars
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November 29, 2013 at
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Posted By: Scott T on November 27 2013 at 04:46:02 PM
I agree with almost everything you said, but I strongly disagree that ASCS typically tries to stiff-arm any other series in the area by scheduling on top of their shows. I can only speak my opinion as a businessman, I would think ASCS is no different then any other business, do your own thing, concentrate on your own business and don't worry about what other people are doing. If they schedule on top of another race, well that's just business! I think this is more Archie against ASCS then ASCS against Archie....not sure why. Either way it's not for the betterment of 360 racing in this area....again, just my opinion.
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So it's OK for ASCS to go about their business and not worry about other tracks and series but if a track or series does the same thing to ASCS it's bad for the area. OK, gotcha. Lol.
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November 29, 2013 at
04:01:09 PM by Scott T
I will be the first to admit I am a certified ASCS supporter and proud of it! I am also a certified supporter of all forms of motorsports. For the ones not familiar with the history of RacinBoys, we have been doing a show called "Track Talk" on Sports Radio 810 WHB in Kansas City for 16 years. It's a 50,000 watts station that reaches 6 states in the Midwest. During the course of that time, we (I) have had strong opinions about tracks and promoters in those regions, that will never change! This isn't the first time people have disagree with my opinion, and that's ok, it's just the opinion of one person...nothing more!
RacinBoys has and always will cover ALL forms of open wheel racing, just look at our home page. At any one time you'll see ASCS, WoO, ASCOC, USAC, POWERi, WAR and yes WoW back in the day. The list of series, tracks and motorsports events we have covered is long over the last 16 years. Again, I promise that will not change! We put drivers personal press releases up no matter what series they run with. Let's be clear, RacinBoys has and always will support LA Raceway and local racing around the KC area. I just don't believe this idea is for the betterment of 360 racing in this area.
I have worked hard over the course of the last 10 years to bring back the popularity of sprint car racing around the KC area. This area was a hot bed for open wheel racing in the 60's, 70's and early 80's. AJ Foyt won his first USAC Midget race here in 1957! For 5 years I inducted many an open wheel drivers into our local (CARB) HOF. My point, I would hate to see the growth momentum for sprint car racing slow down because of a feud between series and promoters. The fact is, there isn't enough 360 cars for two series in this region. Also, is it good for racing when the the purse is cut to $150 to start...is that progress or is that taking a step backwards?
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November 29, 2013 at
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Here is the purse for LOS in 2005... If I remember correct, the WOW paid $1,000 until they started losing the car count battle and then bumped theirs up to $1,200 too, but the overall purse for LOS was still arount $500 more.
1. $1,200
2. $700
3. $600
4. $500
5. $400
6. $375
7. $350
8. $325
9. $300
10. $275
11. $220
12. $215
13. $210
14. $205
15. $200
16. $200
17. $200
18. $200
19. $200
20. $200
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November 29, 2013 at
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Posted By: cajunis#1 on November 29 2013 at 10:54:02 AM
So does that mean we should discredit any opinion you have on that 305 nonsense since you have a financial/sponsorship stake in teams?
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Actually Cajunis#1 I sponsor cars from WOO to Go Karts. But you can take what I have to say as you wish. This is America. I don't make a substancial part of my living promoting the group. I spend!
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November 30, 2013 at
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The part im not getting is how they are going to be named WOW if ASCS bought the right ' everything that goes with it. I see lawsuit coming if thats true. Can someone with credible info clear that up. Thx!
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The main point I got out of the interview was that they don't want to travel or it isn't so feasible with fuel costs and time to get to some places on Friday nights. I understand that these guys are low budget teams, but if you're mainly sticking to one track how does that help grow the sport and draw in new fans? Maybe that's not what they're shooting for but splitting what's left of sprint car racing in Missouri sure doesn't sound like it's going to help it. Seems like Mr. Simpson and this new group has cleverly laid their hand on the table by putting a schedule out before the ASCS, almost ensuring that when the Warrior region schedule comes out and dates overlap the ASCS guys will be the ones frowned upon for the conflicts.
So, when's that schedule come out, January??
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November 30, 2013 at
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I hope the ASCS schedules at CMS and XX when the dates overlap....
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November 30, 2013 at
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I think the schedules come out at PIR
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Posted By: longdong on November 30 2013 at 04:15:50 PM
The main point I got out of the interview was that they don't want to travel or it isn't so feasible with fuel costs and time to get to some places on Friday nights. I understand that these guys are low budget teams, but if you're mainly sticking to one track how does that help grow the sport and draw in new fans? Maybe that's not what they're shooting for but splitting what's left of sprint car racing in Missouri sure doesn't sound like it's going to help it. Seems like Mr. Simpson and this new group has cleverly laid their hand on the table by putting a schedule out before the ASCS, almost ensuring that when the Warrior region schedule comes out and dates overlap the ASCS guys will be the ones frowned upon for the conflicts.
So, when's that schedule come out, January??
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I think racing weekly at 1 track makes it easier to make new fans. You can take freinds there a lot more often that to a series that only races close by 1 or 2 times a year. The new fans can get to know the drivers easier and then they will be more likely to follow them when they do travel to other area tracks to race with a traveling series.
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WOW Founder Archie Simpson on Track Talk
November 30, 2013
RacinBoys interview Winged Outlaw Warriors Founder Archie Simpson during hour 2 of November 30 “Track Talk,” brought to you by McCarthy Auto Group.
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November 30, 2013 at
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I would like to hear what he had to say but it takes me to a subscribe page. Any way to hear it without that?
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