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May 28, 2013 at
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Posted By: Ryan16r on May 28 2013 at 06:33:03 PM
Sitting out a night is like a zero sum penalty to me. That could happen if the truck breaks down on the way to the track. I'm absolutely suggesting a fine, in the form of a bill for every piece, part, nut and bolt that so much as had a scratch on it that wasn't there before. I know it's outlandish, but I really do think it's the only way to keep guys in control. While Formula 1 might not get everything right, they're doing it better than most organizations when it comes to contact on the race track. And the way I see it, it protects everyone's stuff in the long run.
As far as knocking someone in the mouth, you're right, it's no way to settle things without ramifications, to say the least. But I was trying to paint that stark a picture, because I really do think these are the only two ways to affect some change in some of these guys, other than tracks and sanctioning bodies blacklisting these hazards altogether. There are a few select cars here in Ca. that you KNOW will wreck someone before the night is out, you can practically set your watch by it. That ain't racing. I don't know what it is, but it ain't racing.
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Ok, point well taken. My only problem with the 'eye for an eye' philosophy on sprint car crashes is that fault is very subjective most of the time. It's obvious in this case who was at fault, but there are so many more cases where it's not so obvious. Where do you draw the line between a "racing incident" and an offense worthy of fining one of the drivers involved?
Part of the allure of sprint car racing is seeing a guy go for the gusto by razor-thin margins every once in a while. If you start fining people for on track incidents, my fear is that guys will become too conservative, thus watering down the end product. I always hate seeing guys get their equipment tore up, but if we start making drivers second guess every move they make, the excitement of dirt sprint car racing is lost.
If you want to place blame on the 80k for the crash, I'm fine with that. But his car could've just as easliy ended up on it's lid too, so for some people to say it was intentional is misguided, IMO.
BTW, Shout out to Gunner for getting great footage again! It sure has made for an interesting discussion. :D
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Posted By: JonR on May 28 2013 at 07:52:56 PM
A couple of thoughts: Wilmot is not a great track for sprint cars. There is no way that the driver of the 2 car should have been able to walk across the track to get to the 80 car. It shows very poorly on both the track and the IRA. He should have been stopped before he ever got to the other car. You are an official act like one. It was a very aggressive/bonehead move that the 80 car did. However, it is not the worst move that I have seen this year. If the officials did not like the move, they should have black flagged him for the event. There is no reason to give him a suspension for that move. In my opinion, the driver of the 2 deserved a suspension more than the driver of the 80.
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Are you farmiliar with the history of the 80K at all? This guy has trashed more cars than a demo derby. As far as letting the driver approach the him why not? Let them get over it on the track where
officials can intervene if needed rather than in the pits. It was the rite move all the way around.
I tell it like I see it.
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Posted By: JonR on May 28 2013 at 07:52:56 PM
A couple of thoughts: Wilmot is not a great track for sprint cars. There is no way that the driver of the 2 car should have been able to walk across the track to get to the 80 car. It shows very poorly on both the track and the IRA. He should have been stopped before he ever got to the other car. You are an official act like one. It was a very aggressive/bonehead move that the 80 car did. However, it is not the worst move that I have seen this year. If the officials did not like the move, they should have black flagged him for the event. There is no reason to give him a suspension for that move. In my opinion, the driver of the 2 deserved a suspension more than the driver of the 80.
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This post makes absolutely NO sense. The history of the 80k is, I am sure, the reason he was allowed to get to the car in the first place. JMO
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put donny in that 80k and make it 80g
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back in the day being a skydiving instructor there were those students that could not any under circumstances do anything correctly. with those "chosen few" the rule for their log book was TUG. this warned other drop zone jumpmasters. TAKE UP GOLF!
i guess we could have nothing but "jimmy johnson's" running laps out there ie; you scratched my paint, you got too close to me, the start wasn't fair and on and on and on. racin is racin, they will settle the score o the track. you know what they say about paybacks!!!
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Posted By: Backspacer on May 28 2013 at 01:31:49 PM
I'm no way affiliated with any of the teams out there, just a fan. But if anyone thinks the IRA or Capt Jim would be better off without Kertscher in the 80k, they're wrong. Calling for fighting, booting him out of his ride, and rehashing races from years ago? Really? Seems like this is just an excuse for people to pile onto a driver they probably weren't a fan of to begin with more than anything. Was the crash his fault? Yes. Did he pay a penalty by getting parked for a race? Yes. Is he still a good and exciting driver for fans to watch? YES! He might wreck some stuff, but he has also won a bunch of races that a more conservative driver would not have.
I didn't like seeing what happened Saturday night, but the guy was held accountable. It was a bonehead move on his part, but all this other talk of retribution is excessive.
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I think the CAPTAIN JIM SPECIAL. TEAM WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT MIKE. I'm not wrong, first off it's my opinion so it cant be wrong. Its how I feel.
Racing isn't about winning at any cost, and at the expense of the other drivers. What if he seriously injures somebody and the odds are he will with the mode he's in. Jim would catch hell from plenty of fans for leaving mike in the car when he clearly is driving over his head. How would Jim feel. Plus fans are pretty loyal if ya get my drift. It Would leave an even bigger BLACK EYE on the 80k team and it's supporters So yes really. Really really in fact. And no, he did not receive a just penalty unless I'm misunderstood in the penalty. If he got to keep the money and was credited with the win. THATS WRONG.
You seem like a rookie fan to me backspacer. Just don't know any better.
There's other viable/better options.
Myself, Kurt Winker, if you don't no me. Who's resume isn't too shabby with wins on two continents. Mulitiple IRA wins, three in a row at one point in 2000 I was 24 then. I've won on 1/2, 3/8. and 1/4 mile tracks. I've won races away from my " backyard" when it would have been easier to stay home as I just started winning and running in the top 5 consistently. I Ran with the WOO and WOO2 I was 6th in points till the money ran out and was having the worst luck of my career still managed some dash, heat wins and top5s against the likes of Wayne "the Duke" Johnson, Tyler Walker, Shane Stewert,
Double Down Jason Sides and current WOO point leader Daryn Pittman . get the point yet.....
Donnie Goedon, former ira champ and multiple winner and has turned into a clean hard driver.
Todd Daun can get it done and has won IRA races and Wilmot championships. Ran 2nd to Donnie in points in 99 with IRA
Brian Kristan . many time winner in 410's and MSA 360's Won Two IRA races I think.
IMO Billy" the bear" Hafemen is a better option at this point. He hasn't reached his full potential yet and has talent. He's might not win rite away but he don't run into people either and is a hard worker last I knew off. and he has a cool nickname.
That's just the drivers I can think of in this area, plenty more outside the area too if Jim wanted to really go a different way. I don't think people realize how good the equipment is with this team. WOO caliber motor by kistler. That car could win the nationals with Donny " tequila" Shatz.sorry for butherin the last name and maybe even the first one. I got tequila rite tho. 
Look I understand loyalties. I'm loyal to a fault, even hindered my career, passed up better rides to run the for the team I committed to for the year. Here and Australia. But sometimes You just have to cut the rope and lasso a new cowboy.
This isn't no ball game here people. Lives are on the line at every turn of the wheel. Mike is putting peoples live at risk. There's a brake peddle just to the opposite side of the throttle. It's easy to find when you wanna use it. He PICKED UP THE GAS AS HE ENTERED THE CORNER. watch the nose dip and pick backup so he lifted at first. he had already cleared the 10v plenty he didn't need any more throttle to get clear. He was deliberate in his actions.
Mike new he was taking a big risk at trying to make that move and just flat didn't care.
Where's Trump when you need him. "your fired"
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Posted By: racerman123 on May 28 2013 at 01:50:27 PM
That hot rod guy sounds so tough, I am afraid to be on the computer at the same time... 
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I am but don't be scared.
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Posted By: grinnerktm on May 28 2013 at 03:55:50 PM
The difference is racing doesn't have stop signs,lanes or other "rules" like that.Thats why people go to watch in the first place, and I don't mean to see equipment get wrecked its the only legal place to let'r rip.
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Really? ya...letr rip.. So clever .I guess just run into people cuz theres no "written rule" that says you cant. lol great logic. Like are people not getting this? we just lost another driver for crying outloud. I mean it's rite in front of us. what the realites of this sport, that I love so much, can be.
smh
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Posted By: badger boy on May 28 2013 at 01:43:03 PM
Backspacer, Well presented and said!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for taking the time to contemplate the situation and communicate your thoughts.
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Another rookie
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Posted By: NWFAN on May 28 2013 at 12:06:16 PM
not like it's the only slide job gone wrong is it?
being "proud" of fighting by one poster!!!
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Damn right. , it was the 3rd time that year he had pulled crap on me, plus I was leading. making contact. or if I didn't get out of the way I was gonna get hit
.guess what joker. he never ran into me again, and we raced side by side for a few wins after that.
and your righ,t its not the first slider gone bad. theres at least 3 rite off the top of my head that mike pulled all by himself.
so you got that going for ya which is nice......
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Posted By: Backspacer on May 28 2013 at 05:17:48 PM
He sat out a night which cost him the point lead and an opprtunity to win purse money. Are you suggesting a fine as well? Good luck with that. I've been going to sprint car races for 25+ years and I don't think I've ever seen anyone punished for rough driving.
As far as "hitting someone in the teeth" goes, that is ridiculous. If that's the way you want to settle things, be my guest, but don't think that that couldn't come with ACTUAL legal ramifications. Also, be careful what you wish for, as I'm guessing the guy you want to hit isn't going to stand there with his arms behind his back and let you pound away.
Again, I'm not defending the 80k's actions, but he was held accountable. Any more than that is unrealistic and unprecedented. Move on and let the drivers settle it the way it should be...on the track.
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I've been going to races all over the country and Midwest for over twenty five years since were playing bigshot know it all.
it's obvious that havn't learned much in your 25yrs.and the last guy in his class still gets the same doctorate the vala dictorian earns. im going with the vala dictorian.
.i mean your post was so ignorant, I sincerely thought you were new to the sport.
that said thank for supporting the sport. just change your shades man.
kinda sound like your a pusher over too if you gonna let someone abuse ya and jeopardize your life and safety. i'll spend the time with u and bring you up to speed if u want, so u can see a race/racer for the first time the proper way.
ive had legal problems before. i'll risk it if it ever comes up. its safer than punting someone
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If I recall a current ira racer was fined $500 years ago and had to sit out why hasn't this been done its only a matter of time before someone gets hurt I say random piss test.
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Posted By: Sir Dick Danger!!! on May 28 2013 at 05:35:00 PM
Yeah Kurt these losers are in love with Kristan for who knows why. The guy hasn't done anything but they all talk about how good he's gonna be . When?
I think one of the problems now in the IRA is that there are too many guys out there who shouldn't be racing a sprint car with a few pretty good cars and drivers. They just get in the way and are way off the pace.
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I love BK too. am I a loser now. He's done plenty and more than most. 50+ A main wins in 410 and 360 racing. I don't have that many. he's won non wing at sun prairie, clean sweeped Wilmot in 99.won the first race he ever entered at hales corners, non qaulifers race and he passed his dad joe, multi time winner, on the way to the lead. just to name a few of his achievements.
He's earned his fans and warranted accolades....
All that said, I know i'm better
ty for the props and support you've given me in the past BUT....
don't be such a hater dick.
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Posted By: ILSPRINTS on May 28 2013 at 06:08:51 PM
Hey dick danger.
Have you ever been in a 410? I was once and it scared the crop out of me. Anyone who has the balls and equipment to race a 410 with the IRA has my respect. BK has talent and can race clean for the lead as he proved a couple of years ago while racing with Sexton. Go back to your favorite subject (the men's room)
Go to 1:36 in the video.
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now this guy gets it. well said......hell of a different perspective from behind the wheel.
well said ilsprints
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Posted By: JonR on May 28 2013 at 07:52:56 PM
A couple of thoughts: Wilmot is not a great track for sprint cars. There is no way that the driver of the 2 car should have been able to walk across the track to get to the 80 car. It shows very poorly on both the track and the IRA. He should have been stopped before he ever got to the other car. You are an official act like one. It was a very aggressive/bonehead move that the 80 car did. However, it is not the worst move that I have seen this year. If the officials did not like the move, they should have black flagged him for the event. There is no reason to give him a suspension for that move. In my opinion, the driver of the 2 deserved a suspension more than the driver of the 80.
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Steve did act like an official. he "escorted" scotty the whole way and held guard while scotty got to say his peace. that's as efficient as you can be. no punches were thrown no one got hurt. don't know the circumstances of how the penalty was layed out but that's where I think people may have been" politicians" instead of authoritive officials which is what any club needs to maintain
Wilmot is a great track for sprint cars. hear what wolfe said? the track is very technical and takes some figuring out evens the playing feel when more experienced better funded outsiders come in and try to cherry pick. ala wolfe.
so jeapordizing a guys life and costing him thousands= no penalty
tear a guy a new ass in the heat of the moment= penalty
more "superior" logic.
get a clue
imo of course
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Posted By: Backspacer on May 28 2013 at 07:56:12 PM
Ok, point well taken. My only problem with the 'eye for an eye' philosophy on sprint car crashes is that fault is very subjective most of the time. It's obvious in this case who was at fault, but there are so many more cases where it's not so obvious. Where do you draw the line between a "racing incident" and an offense worthy of fining one of the drivers involved?
Part of the allure of sprint car racing is seeing a guy go for the gusto by razor-thin margins every once in a while. If you start fining people for on track incidents, my fear is that guys will become too conservative, thus watering down the end product. I always hate seeing guys get their equipment tore up, but if we start making drivers second guess every move they make, the excitement of dirt sprint car racing is lost.
If you want to place blame on the 80k for the crash, I'm fine with that. But his car could've just as easliy ended up on it's lid too, so for some people to say it was intentional is misguided, IMO.
BTW, Shout out to Gunner for getting great footage again! It sure has made for an interesting discussion. :D
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IMO lol. he intentionally stood back in the throttle ENTERING the corner. thats not how you pull a slide job anyway IMO. more often then not you'll just blow rite thru the cush doing that. and guess wha,t he would have had he not PUNTED SCOTTY NEITZEL. scotty was mikes catchers mit on that one. or ever better. scotty was the ball and mike was bat
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Posted By: NWFAN on May 29 2013 at 12:06:55 PM
back in the day being a skydiving instructor there were those students that could not any under circumstances do anything correctly. with those "chosen few" the rule for their log book was TUG. this warned other drop zone jumpmasters. TAKE UP GOLF!
i guess we could have nothing but "jimmy johnson's" running laps out there ie; you scratched my paint, you got too close to me, the start wasn't fair and on and on and on. racin is racin, they will settle the score o the track. you know what they say about paybacks!!!
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are you just trying to tell us your a TUGger or something. you seem to fit the bill in the racing world. tug master ya that has a ring to it. I feel a new screen name is in order for you. IMO (in my opinion) of course and "with all due respect"
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Posted By: hotrod10w on May 30 2013 at 06:28:06 AM
I love BK too. am I a loser now. He's done plenty and more than most. 50+ A main wins in 410 and 360 racing. I don't have that many. he's won non wing at sun prairie, clean sweeped Wilmot in 99.won the first race he ever entered at hales corners, non qaulifers race and he passed his dad joe, multi time winner, on the way to the lead. just to name a few of his achievements.
He's earned his fans and warranted accolades....
All that said, I know i'm better
ty for the props and support you've given me in the past BUT....
don't be such a hater dick.
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Possibly. Think maybe your a little dilusional. You were in that ride when it was the 48. Didn't do anything except I think cause big wreck in heat race at Beaver Dam during WoO heat race about 5 years ago.
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Posted By: xxtatersxx on May 30 2013 at 06:19:10 AM
If I recall a current ira racer was fined $500 years ago and had to sit out why hasn't this been done its only a matter of time before someone gets hurt I say random piss test.
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I agree. inconsistent per usual. you heard that too huh. kept it under my hat for specific reasons. that's a pretty big "thing" to imply
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