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March 24, 2013 at
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Saw in F-1 where Vettell passed his teammate and won the race after being told for many laps not to pass him and stay where he was. He went ahead and passed him anyway and after the race he apologized and admitted he was wrong to pass him. Wow. Can you imagine if they told Kinser or Donny to sit where they were and cruise across the finish line without even attempting to win the race? What in the hell is wrong with this picture?
My wife told me if I went to one more Sprint Car race
she would leave me.................I'm sure gonna miss
that ol' gal.
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March 24, 2013 at
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There is more to the story than that...
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March 24, 2013 at
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March 24, 2013 at
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So a driver gets the win then has to hear the team all bent out of shape and hate'n on him for not riding behind a teammate. This is one of the reasons I don't watch F1 anymore.
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March 24, 2013 at
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Should be no story, A racer that can win should. Is this what teamwork has evolved into ???
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March 24, 2013 at
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Posted By: Hawker on March 24 2013 at 03:10:29 PM
There is more to the story than that...
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Do tell, Fill us in. Only going by what I read. They can't put it on the internet if it isn't true. lol
My wife told me if I went to one more Sprint Car race
she would leave me.................I'm sure gonna miss
that ol' gal.
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March 24, 2013 at
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Personally, I don't watch F1. In MY sport on a
dirt oval "Team Orders" are four hamburgers, fries and cokes in between
heat races and the A-Main. That is all...
well said wade aunger
"Always be yourself... because the people that matter,
don't mind and the people that do mind, don't matter".
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March 24, 2013 at
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Okay, now for the FULL story......F1 teams do not get an indispensable amount of engines to run the season (unlike WoO, USAC, NAPCAR, NHRA and many others). Each driver gets 8 engines to run the whole season, this includes practice sessions, qualifying and the race. If a team changes an engine, on a race weekend or they run out of engines before the end of the season, they suffer a grid penalty. Now, considering that these engines are turning 18,000 rpm, engine preservation is key to winning races and championships. The drivers have the ability (under instruction from the chief engineer) to change settings on the engine (via controls on the steering wheel) that will change the fuel mapping, ignition timing and other parameters that will allow that engine to "live". Today, Mark Weber dominated the whole race and was unchallenged. But after the last pit stop, with the race WELL in hand, he and his teammate Sebastian Vettel who was running a distant and safe 2nd place, were instructed to "turn down" their engines to preserve them. This is VERY common for teams to do when they are dominant. But the problem came about when Vettel ignored the instruction to turn his engine down......reeled in his teammate, and passed him for the win. So, though he did win the race, fair and square, it could definitely hurt him later in the season when the engines begin to get "tired".
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March 24, 2013 at
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im bored and curious too now Hawker if you dont mind giving us the "short story"
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March 24, 2013 at
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Posted By: Hawker on March 24 2013 at 03:10:29 PM
There is more to the story than that...
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I dont watch F1 enough to know anything but I know you do. From what I see the bigger story is
that he disobeyed team orders to stay behind Webber. Not that he was given team orders to stay
behind Webber. After looking through Twitter, I'm seeing that a majority of F1 fans are upset with
Vettell for doing this. Can't imagine the uproar this would cause if this were to happen in WoO or
NASCAR. Are team orders similiar to this ordinary in F1?
-Austin Rankin
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March 24, 2013 at
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hmm. makes more sense now. thanks Hawker.
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March 24, 2013 at
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Posted By: outlaw_fan_7_8 on March 24 2013 at 04:02:44 PM
hmm. makes more sense now. thanks Hawker.
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yes, but its still stupid.
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March 24, 2013 at
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Still doesn't make sense as to why they would put a product on the track and because of their rules they can't race properly. I understand why they do it because that is the engine rule but my point was that is why we are sprint car fans. Even in NHRA, if a person is suspected of not doing their honest best, they could be penalized. I just abhor Indy's blocking rule. Hell, if he's making his car too wide, just give him a chrome horn and drive by. IMO, you should never be able to just sit and let someone else win because of rules. That's why I don't watch it either. In my 50 years or so of going to watch sprinters I have seen many exciting races won on the last lap or last corner. I swear I will not comment on F-1 again.
My wife told me if I went to one more Sprint Car race
she would leave me.................I'm sure gonna miss
that ol' gal.
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March 24, 2013 at
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darbo, it's okay. I think most on here know hawker is a fan of F1.
I guess that is why there are various forms of racing.
Like you, I have no use for anyone who doesn't go all out to win. If you want to play "my turn, your turn" stay on the playground. I don't see where it has any place in racing...regardless of the series or their respective rules!
I LEARNED ESP FROM MY MOM
"PUT YOUR SWEATER ON: DON'T YOU THINK I KNOW WHEN
YOU'RE COLD?"
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March 24, 2013 at
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March 24, 2013 at
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Posted By: darbo42 on March 24 2013 at 04:21:56 PM
Still doesn't make sense as to why they would put a product on the track and because of their rules they can't race properly. I understand why they do it because that is the engine rule but my point was that is why we are sprint car fans. Even in NHRA, if a person is suspected of not doing their honest best, they could be penalized. I just abhor Indy's blocking rule. Hell, if he's making his car too wide, just give him a chrome horn and drive by. IMO, you should never be able to just sit and let someone else win because of rules. That's why I don't watch it either. In my 50 years or so of going to watch sprinters I have seen many exciting races won on the last lap or last corner. I swear I will not comment on F-1 again.
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What is the point of destroying the engines of both team drivers, when you are dominating? They weren't just leading, absolutely no other car had anything for them. It's easy to question F1 when I have seen sprint teams change engines 4 times in one night for a series where and engine may turn 180,000 revolutions in one night. But remember, 1 F1 engine is expected to turn 2,700,000 revolutions in one race day. F1 isn't for everyone, Americans have a real tough time understanding that it is a team sport, much like football and basketball. The "Constructors Trophy" is the #1 priority to the manufacturer who fields the car, and the drivers are expected to do whatever it takes for the TEAM to excel, the driver's championship comes second. I too have seen F1 races won on the last lap corner...Matter of fact, there was a recent F1 Championship won on the last corner, of the last lap, of the last race of the season.........And no, there were no "team orders" used in that outcome...
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March 24, 2013 at
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Ok now Lagano was told to stay behind stewart and he ignored that so tony being pissed off tried to punch lagano in the mouth but lagona..etc what the hell kind of series is f1 .. dosent my story sound stupid think about that f1 fans
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March 24, 2013 at
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Racing is 1 man in his car vs all the others in their cars. It is NOT a team sport. Never was a big Nascar fan, but when drivers started working together and even talking to each other on the radios during the race that really killed my interest in it. Telling 1 driver to LET anouther win violates the integrity of the sport. Sprint car racing, to me, is the purest form of racing on the planet.
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Posted By: BIGROB on March 24 2013 at 05:39:03 PM
Ok now Lagano was told to stay behind stewart and he ignored that so tony being pissed off tried to punch lagano in the mouth but lagona..etc what the hell kind of series is f1 .. dosent my story sound stupid think about that f1 fans
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F1 is the kind of series that can't figure out how to put fuel in cars during a race without catching them on fire. they are so intent on making 6 second pit stops that they can't wait a couple more ticks to make sure the fuel lines are engaged and disengaged at the proper times.
all that time and money spent on technology and they can't even fuel the cars during the race, so they load them up like bombs at the start of the race and turn them loose.
F1 can't do anything unless it has a computer running it. and since it seems they haven't figured out how to computer control fueling, they just load them up at the start.
to indy and beyond!!
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March 24, 2013 at
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Posted By: oswald on March 24 2013 at 05:44:34 PM
Racing is 1 man in his car vs all the others in their cars. It is NOT a team sport. Never was a big Nascar fan, but when drivers started working together and even talking to each other on the radios during the race that really killed my interest in it. Telling 1 driver to LET anouther win violates the integrity of the sport. Sprint car racing, to me, is the purest form of racing on the planet.
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that one man in his car would sure be up the creek when he pulled into the pits for service under your theory.
come to think of it, just how does that one man get the car together and to the track?
to indy and beyond!!
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on March 24 2013 at 06:04:02 PM
F1 is the kind of series that can't figure out how to put fuel in cars during a race without catching them on fire. they are so intent on making 6 second pit stops that they can't wait a couple more ticks to make sure the fuel lines are engaged and disengaged at the proper times.
all that time and money spent on technology and they can't even fuel the cars during the race, so they load them up like bombs at the start of the race and turn them loose.
F1 can't do anything unless it has a computer running it. and since it seems they haven't figured out how to computer control fueling, they just load them up at the start.
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Oh....Like a Silver Crown car?
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March 24, 2013 at
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March 24, 2013 at
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Posted By: Hawker on March 24 2013 at 06:06:32 PM
Oh....Like a Silver Crown car?
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and a sprint car and a midget.
but like them silver crown cars don't have scheduled pit stops. if they did, they would fuel the cars. you know that. you are just pissed you can't think of a better reason why F1 can't figure it out! 
just how many computers does a dirt champ car have on it?
you are not dumb so don't play like it.
besides i am just ruffling your feathers pat. nothing more.
to indy and beyond!!
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