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March 03, 2013 at
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I can't believe there hasn't been a discussion about the "unofficial results" from Battleground Speedway last night. What brought on the suspicion?
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March 04, 2013 at
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the hap-hazard methods of the gulf south tech-squad. a few years back they took a win away from tommy bryant because his fuel didnt pass the water test. kinda looks like the same deal here.
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March 04, 2013 at
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If they dont tech, they turn a blind eye to cheating. If they tech, its hap-hazard.
Keith Johnson runs one the best ASCS regions in the country
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March 04, 2013 at
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Posted By: The_Truth_Detector on March 03 2013 at 10:55:36 PM
I can't believe there hasn't been a discussion about the "unofficial results" from Battleground Speedway last night. What brought on the suspicion?
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Larry Howery got screwed at Beaumont B Main they should have never started that race.
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March 04, 2013 at
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Posted By: Treyschmidt12 on March 04 2013 at 08:20:23 AM
Larry Howery got screwed at Beaumont B Main they should have never started that race.
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How about the new starting procedures? There were a lot of upset drivers at the driver's meeting. All starts are now dictated by the flagman (supposedly) once the front two cars hit the cone in turn four side by side. One of the driver's raised their hand at Beaumont and said "So you mean to tell us that the pole sitter doesn't dictate the start of the race?" And they said "NO, the flagman does when he drops the green!" To that response many of the drivers were complaining about how ragged the starts would be and then people would get run over and judging by the first two events I would have to say the drivers were right.
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March 04, 2013 at
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Posted By: aggitated ferret on March 04 2013 at 06:53:22 AM
the hap-hazard methods of the gulf south tech-squad. a few years back they took a win away from tommy bryant because his fuel didnt pass the water test. kinda looks like the same deal here.
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The water test is a joke. Alky lube will show a positive for nitro. All injector makers tell you to use alky lube to make bi- passes work correct.
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March 04, 2013 at
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Either way, the rules on ASCS website call for no additives. Who cares what the motor builders or injection builders say, NO ADDITIVES! Tommy Bryant had, not only a race, but a championship stripped from him due to "cloudy" fuel. No reexamination was performed to say it was nitro, top lube, Marvel's oil, or water in the fuel tank. A rule is a rule is a rule. Break it and you're disqualified. To me it seems like Ruetzel should have been stripped of the win BC apparently it was not pure methanol in his fuel tank, according to the rules. But this isn't the first time ASCS or the Gulf South Region officials have been known to bend the rules due to certain favoritism. Aaron almost didn't make it home BC he couldn't follow DOT rules on his rig. Now, if the ASCS does conclude he was legal, congrats Aaron.
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March 05, 2013 at
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Posted By: n2sprints on March 04 2013 at 07:41:17 AM
If they dont tech, they turn a blind eye to cheating. If they tech, its hap-hazard.
Keith Johnson runs one the best ASCS regions in the country
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yes hap-hazard. i have witnessed some of there tech inspections. the water test for one is a joke. they run a good series no doubt, but their post race inspections leave a little to be desired.
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March 05, 2013 at
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"A rule is a rule is a rule. Break it and you're disqualified."
This is the end all, be all. If there is going to be a rule, it needs to be enforced AT THE TRACK, not "to be determined" at a later date! Are sobriety checks done the next day? Just making a point. As mentioned, this is similar to Bryant's DQ. He wasn't given a "wait n see" option, and there shouldn't be any.
As far as the "examining" of the fuel, what's the point? It doesn't matter what's in the fuel. No additives. Period! It is the team's responsibility to make sure their fuel is legal. Bottom line, no excuses. The water test is valid. Of all the fuel testing done over the last few years, only two have come up "illegal". Hmmm. Either the vast majority is illegal, or just the odd 1 or 2 get caught. Figure it out.
The starts? Agreed, that is not the way to do it. This isn't drag racing where reaction time is paramount. The pole sitter is supposed to set the pace and start the race. That is the perk for being on the pole. The new start procedure is not a change for the better.
The Gulf South is a very good series, if not the best ASCS series. There is plenty of room for improvement, however.
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March 05, 2013 at
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Posted By: maradamx3 on March 05 2013 at 12:08:46 PM
"A rule is a rule is a rule. Break it and you're disqualified."
This is the end all, be all. If there is going to be a rule, it needs to be enforced AT THE TRACK, not "to be determined" at a later date! Are sobriety checks done the next day? Just making a point. As mentioned, this is similar to Bryant's DQ. He wasn't given a "wait n see" option, and there shouldn't be any.
As far as the "examining" of the fuel, what's the point? It doesn't matter what's in the fuel. No additives. Period! It is the team's responsibility to make sure their fuel is legal. Bottom line, no excuses. The water test is valid. Of all the fuel testing done over the last few years, only two have come up "illegal". Hmmm. Either the vast majority is illegal, or just the odd 1 or 2 get caught. Figure it out.
The starts? Agreed, that is not the way to do it. This isn't drag racing where reaction time is paramount. The pole sitter is supposed to set the pace and start the race. That is the perk for being on the pole. The new start procedure is not a change for the better.
The Gulf South is a very good series, if not the best ASCS series. There is plenty of room for improvement, however.
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Do you have any clue what you are talking about?????
I have seen this test failed on many occasions. They send the fuel out and there is .01 % moisture in the fuel, which failed the test. The fuel was purchased at the track and it was the first race of the season and the fuel jugs were new. How does this fall on the teams responsibility??? You might not like it but there are exceptions to every rule!!!
The water they use for the test could have a small amount of chlorine in it, and it could fail the test.
This is why there are labs to SEND THE FUEL to be checked!!!!!
I have been racing for about 30 years. I have been teched many times. Micro's, 358's and 410's. I have witnessed others being teched over the years. Your comment of only 2 comng up illegal is way off base. I have seen this test fail on a fair amount of occasions. In all but one case the fuel was sent out to a lab and came back OK!!! The one that did not cost the driver his point championship at the track who did the testing. That is a justified punishment after the track did the right thing and had the fuel sent to the lab for testing.
My point of this post is simple. Everything is not black and white. There is a correct way to do things and it seems that sending the fuel out in this case is the right thing to do. I have a very hard time believing that this guy, Aaron, would add something to his fuel while knowing that it will be checked. I never met him and probably have never seen him race, but lets not get ahead of ourselves to call him a cheater just yet. If the sample comes back from the lab and is bad, then he should be disqualified!!!
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March 05, 2013 at
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Posted By: rockyroad on March 04 2013 at 11:21:13 PM
Either way, the rules on ASCS website call for no additives. Who cares what the motor builders or injection builders say, NO ADDITIVES! Tommy Bryant had, not only a race, but a championship stripped from him due to "cloudy" fuel. No reexamination was performed to say it was nitro, top lube, Marvel's oil, or water in the fuel tank. A rule is a rule is a rule. Break it and you're disqualified. To me it seems like Ruetzel should have been stripped of the win BC apparently it was not pure methanol in his fuel tank, according to the rules. But this isn't the first time ASCS or the Gulf South Region officials have been known to bend the rules due to certain favoritism. Aaron almost didn't make it home BC he couldn't follow DOT rules on his rig. Now, if the ASCS does conclude he was legal, congrats Aaron.
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OK Richard Jones A.K.A rockyroad your right ASCS website does call for NO ADDITIVES, but maybe you should see what the results say before you talk shit. Tommy Bryant wasn't stripped of a Championship, he had the same option as Reutzel( NOT RUETZEL) to send it to a lab and pay $400 to get it tested and choose NOT to WAIST the money. You could have gave Bryant the win that night and he still wouldn't have WON the Championship, why don't you go back and do the math before you run your mouth. The ASCS Gulf South Region don't show any kind of favortism, so stop running your mouth and get your facts straight. By the way since your so far up Tommy's ass, tell him when he starts on the pole 2 nights in a row that he should gas it up instead of seeing who can go backwards the quickest!
Have a Great Richard!
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March 05, 2013 at
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March 05, 2013 at
03:21:15 PM by rockyroad
I was simply stating what the rules say there pal. Sorry for the typo of Mr. Reutzel's name, but why we are on the topic of spelling, WASTE does not have an I, but it does have an E. If you know me so well, then you obviously know that I like to stir the pot a little. Thank you for correcting my mathematical miscalculation about the championship. I was always under the assumption that he would have won the championship had he not been disqualified. Either way, my original point stands, the rules read no additives. So if it is anything other than methanol, even water, would technically make it illegal. There is favoritism shown though. Depends on what driver or crew guy your talking to and on what night. By the way, if I do say so my self I have a great Richard, thank you. Now, you have a great afternoon. And with whom am I having this debate?
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March 06, 2013 at
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Posted By: Raz59 on March 05 2013 at 12:50:47 PM
Do you have any clue what you are talking about?????
I have seen this test failed on many occasions. They send the fuel out and there is .01 % moisture in the fuel, which failed the test. The fuel was purchased at the track and it was the first race of the season and the fuel jugs were new. How does this fall on the teams responsibility??? You might not like it but there are exceptions to every rule!!!
The water they use for the test could have a small amount of chlorine in it, and it could fail the test.
This is why there are labs to SEND THE FUEL to be checked!!!!!
I have been racing for about 30 years. I have been teched many times. Micro's, 358's and 410's. I have witnessed others being teched over the years. Your comment of only 2 comng up illegal is way off base. I have seen this test fail on a fair amount of occasions. In all but one case the fuel was sent out to a lab and came back OK!!! The one that did not cost the driver his point championship at the track who did the testing. That is a justified punishment after the track did the right thing and had the fuel sent to the lab for testing.
My point of this post is simple. Everything is not black and white. There is a correct way to do things and it seems that sending the fuel out in this case is the right thing to do. I have a very hard time believing that this guy, Aaron, would add something to his fuel while knowing that it will be checked. I never met him and probably have never seen him race, but lets not get ahead of ourselves to call him a cheater just yet. If the sample comes back from the lab and is bad, then he should be disqualified!!!
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It's evident you are incapable of grasping elementary things like left and right, up and down, or why the square peg doesn't fit in the round hole. Just like the 30 years you've obviously wasted in racing, you're wasting everyone's time here. Go back to the tac tac toe forum.
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March 06, 2013 at
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When are people going to start to take personal responsibility?
If in doubt, check your own fuel. It's not magic. Just mix it with distilled water.
Rules are rules. No additives means a clear water test. Anything else and the team needs to accept that it's an irregular result and thus worthy of a DQ.
I don't care where it came from. You are responsible once it's in your tank.
It's not the tracks/sanctions responsibility to pay the $$ to tell you why it failed.
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March 06, 2013 at
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Posted By: maradamx3 on March 06 2013 at 06:21:03 AM
It's evident you are incapable of grasping elementary things like left and right, up and down, or why the square peg doesn't fit in the round hole. Just like the 30 years you've obviously wasted in racing, you're wasting everyone's time here. Go back to the tac tac toe forum.
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Let's see---- I do know how to turn left, I have been upside down a few times and and the only thing i know that's square is your head.....
I am very happy with my 30 years of racing.....
And, i have lost a few games of tic tac toe to my kids in the past so you are correct, I am wasting my time trying to share facts with a knuckle head like yourself!!!
To everyone else on here- Sorry for wasting of all your time on this message board!!!!
I apoligize for having an opinion, and some facts to share!!!
Lol
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March 06, 2013 at
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Was Reutzel the only one tested or the only one caught?
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March 06, 2013 at
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Still waiting for a rebuttal from the illiterate OaklahomaDirtFan that started his account yesterday just to call me out by name. I would really like to know who has such a problem with quoting the rule book so we can talk about it as adults. Better yet, if you know me so well, you should have my phone number and give me a call. I mean, you do know my first and last name.
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