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January 16, 2013 at
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Posted By: vande77 on January 16 2013 at 01:16:17 PM
And the drivers don't get the purse $$, the team does. Drivers race for a % of the $$ earned and some of those $$$'s are part of incentive programs for where the driver is in the points, leading certiain laps, etc, etc..
Drivers have to pass certain tests in order to obtain a NASCAR license and no truck team owner in their right mind is going to foot the costs for a one race driver (and anyone he wants to bring to the pit area with him).
I saw one race @ martinsville (which is more comparable for Eldora IMO, and the truck that finished 8th got less purse $$ than 13 trucks that finished behind it (and the truck in 8th place was a Joe Gibbs truck with Jason Leffler behind the wheel, not just a rent-a-ride guy in a back-marker truck).
The NASCAR purses are set up to REWARD the REGULAR drivers and those high up in the points as "appearance fees", Former champion appearance fees, defending champion appearance fees, former race winner appearance fees and other guaranteed monies are part of the purse, NONE of the Late Model, Sprint, Midget, Silver Crown, or other dirt division drivers are going to get those monies put into their purse earnings, so they will get substantially less $$ than a regular would.
They do the same with Cup and Nationwide purses. Dave Blaney can WIN a Cup race and more than likely would make less than at least 5 drivers that finish benind him.
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You are entitled to your opinion, but I believe when this race rolls around, you are going to see many a hired gun behind the wheel. Just my opinion. They do it already on road courses with a lot of success. And as for footing the Nascar license, will be a bump in the road and will be picked up by the owner. Not saying all owners are going to do this. But, the ones that can afford to, will. Realistically, the winnings are not going to fund the truck for the night anyways. The sponsorship does. The sponsor will be happy as hell with their truck running up front. The sponsor would be elated to have their truck in victory lane with a grass-roots driver behind the wheel. And you think Nascar is doing this whole event and is going to leave out the very drivers that may have a chance at reviving their product? No chance. They will do anything they can to expand on the audience in this race. If they don't, then they are too dumb to survive. There is a reason this race falls when it does. If my schedule checking is correct, it does not conflict with any major dirt track events that night and the WOO sprint cars are only a short drive away the night before. Why do you think this race is not on a Saturday night? I think Nascar knows what they want and they are going to get it here for sure. Just my opinion. We will see who is right in 7 months or so.
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You will see one boring race if they dont allow suspenstion changes. Iwatched the video of Tony running around the track and he couldn't keep the truck on the bottom! They better hire some sport mod guys to drive because they have no rear suspenstion movement either! They are 3 link with solid pull bar they would probably get around better because of shorter bars. Atleast you can get some rear steer out of a sport mod.
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Posted By: egras on January 16 2013 at 05:16:12 PM
You are entitled to your opinion, but I believe when this race rolls around, you are going to see many a hired gun behind the wheel. Just my opinion. They do it already on road courses with a lot of success. And as for footing the Nascar license, will be a bump in the road and will be picked up by the owner. Not saying all owners are going to do this. But, the ones that can afford to, will. Realistically, the winnings are not going to fund the truck for the night anyways. The sponsorship does. The sponsor will be happy as hell with their truck running up front. The sponsor would be elated to have their truck in victory lane with a grass-roots driver behind the wheel. And you think Nascar is doing this whole event and is going to leave out the very drivers that may have a chance at reviving their product? No chance. They will do anything they can to expand on the audience in this race. If they don't, then they are too dumb to survive. There is a reason this race falls when it does. If my schedule checking is correct, it does not conflict with any major dirt track events that night and the WOO sprint cars are only a short drive away the night before. Why do you think this race is not on a Saturday night? I think Nascar knows what they want and they are going to get it here for sure. Just my opinion. We will see who is right in 7 months or so.
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The Eldora race is just a few days before the Cup race at Indianapolis, which isn't really that far away. Outlaws and Nascar guys are both fairly close.
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I heard yesterday that among other things here are the items that Eldora must provide for the race:
6 Ambulances on site
2 Life Flight Helicoptors on site
an Infield Medical center and staff (they are being allowed to build a temporary one)
Push Truck Driver Uniforms (anyone going out onto the racing surface has to have a fireproof uniform which includes all officials, tow truck drivers, push truck drivers, etc., etc.).
I'd say that if NASCAR is being so "ticky tack" on uniforms for the guys packing the track, that they aren't going to bow down and "give" any licenses or anything away to competitors.
IMO, there will be 10 or less dirt "ringers" in the qualifying field and only 3-4 will have good enough equipment/crew to make the race (since there are only 30 starters, they better "qualify" in the top 15 as there will be provisionals based on owner points, most recent winner, past champion etc.).
I am looking forward to this race, but I have no delusions that 1/2 the field or more will be dirt track "ringers". The few trucks that are fully sponsored aren't going to kick out the driver they've built their entire program around for this event, only a handfull of teams run road course "ringers", but those "ringers" already have passed all the necessarry testing by NASCAR because they've either raced NASCAR before, are part of ALMS (owned by NASCAR) or already have a NASCAR license (they also run the Nationwide and Cup Road Courses). The truck races I've watched the last couple of years about 1/2 the field is running unsponsored, I highly doubt they're going to take a flyer on a driver just becuase they drive dirt every week, they are trying to build a PROGRAM with their driver that will attract a sponsor (or the driver themselves are bringing $$$$ to the team, hard to tell them they aren't racing if they help foot the bill).
The dirt track drivers I anticipate attempting to compete @ Eldora:
Bloomquist (in a KBM truck) - he provided cars for Kyle @ the Prelude, so it just makes sense
Tim McCreadie (in a Childress/Harvick Truck) - was part of Childress' team a few years ago, but they couldn't find sponsorship
Josh Richards - raced trucks a few times the last few years, so he has some contacts with teams
Will Vaught - has run a few Nationwide races
John Blankenship - has run a few Nationwide races for TBR - family has HUGE $$$ from the Coal industry, so he can bring sponsorship with him
Tyler Reddick - has run K&N races and wants to move to NASCAR
Kyle Larson - would have probably had a ride for Turner motorsports anyway regardless of whether or not they raced @ Eldora
I don't anticipate ANY drivers following the WoO to run this event (most know there is nothing in it for them as they are "too old" by NASCAR standards
You might see a couple USAC drivers, but if they can't bring $$ with them, it will be difficult for them to find a ride IMO.
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I'm thinking anyone who can wheel a Champ Car at Eldora would do just fine in a truck. Running it straight and high will be where it's at, and diving down after a good run off the corner looking for a slide job is how they'll pass.
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Posted By: egras on January 16 2013 at 05:16:12 PM
You are entitled to your opinion, but I believe when this race rolls around, you are going to see many a hired gun behind the wheel. Just my opinion. They do it already on road courses with a lot of success. And as for footing the Nascar license, will be a bump in the road and will be picked up by the owner. Not saying all owners are going to do this. But, the ones that can afford to, will. Realistically, the winnings are not going to fund the truck for the night anyways. The sponsorship does. The sponsor will be happy as hell with their truck running up front. The sponsor would be elated to have their truck in victory lane with a grass-roots driver behind the wheel. And you think Nascar is doing this whole event and is going to leave out the very drivers that may have a chance at reviving their product? No chance. They will do anything they can to expand on the audience in this race. If they don't, then they are too dumb to survive. There is a reason this race falls when it does. If my schedule checking is correct, it does not conflict with any major dirt track events that night and the WOO sprint cars are only a short drive away the night before. Why do you think this race is not on a Saturday night? I think Nascar knows what they want and they are going to get it here for sure. Just my opinion. We will see who is right in 7 months or so.
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I think NASCAR has no intention of letting a "dirt ringer" or multiple "Dirt ringers" upstage their regulars. It's BAD BUSINESS for them if the so-called "Best drivers in the world" get beat by guys that run on dirt exclusively or worse yet, may actually hold a regular job and not just drive for a living.
It is EXTEREMELY bad for NASCAR's product to have dirt track drivers come in and beat the "stars" that they have produced through TV and Radio. That is the absolute WORST thing that could happen for them. They need a few "ringers" in average at best equipment so the regulars of the series can outrun them and they can tout how GREAT the NASCAR TRUCK SERIES drivers are.
NASCAR never has (and never will) be about DRIVING TALENT, it will always be about MONEY and how a driver looks and talks when interviewed.
You have to be OBLIVIOUS to how NASCAR works to not realize that this is all about publicity and making their drivers look better, they have no intention whatsover of letting a "dirt ringer" beat them and more than likely will "randomly" draw all the dirt driver's names to drug test that week as well (got news for you, a LOT of them won't be able to pass the test if asked to take it).
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January 17, 2013 at
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the safer barriers will make the racing line out of 2 and 4 a bit interesting...
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
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Posted By: vande77 on January 17 2013 at 12:51:27 PM
I think NASCAR has no intention of letting a "dirt ringer" or multiple "Dirt ringers" upstage their regulars. It's BAD BUSINESS for them if the so-called "Best drivers in the world" get beat by guys that run on dirt exclusively or worse yet, may actually hold a regular job and not just drive for a living.
It is EXTEREMELY bad for NASCAR's product to have dirt track drivers come in and beat the "stars" that they have produced through TV and Radio. That is the absolute WORST thing that could happen for them. They need a few "ringers" in average at best equipment so the regulars of the series can outrun them and they can tout how GREAT the NASCAR TRUCK SERIES drivers are.
NASCAR never has (and never will) be about DRIVING TALENT, it will always be about MONEY and how a driver looks and talks when interviewed.
You have to be OBLIVIOUS to how NASCAR works to not realize that this is all about publicity and making their drivers look better, they have no intention whatsover of letting a "dirt ringer" beat them and more than likely will "randomly" draw all the dirt driver's names to drug test that week as well (got news for you, a LOT of them won't be able to pass the test if asked to take it).
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So the dirt drivers r druggies? I know of one that might bring u to say that. But it still seems like a pretty broad statement to me. Just saying.
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Posted By: dirt in ur beer on January 17 2013 at 02:45:41 PM
So the dirt drivers r druggies? I know of one that might bring u to say that. But it still seems like a pretty broad statement to me. Just saying.
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No, I said they couldn't pass the testing. Many over the counter medications are considered "banned" and will get you a suspension from NASCAR.
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Posted By: Speedbump on January 16 2013 at 01:37:51 PM
No, I believe that the rear suspension of an IMCA modified is much closer to that of a truck than a DLM is....it stays fixed and square in a mod.
That and Carl Edwards had to drive a silver crown car to get noticed. Both guys turned out to be not so shabby in a DLM, but their experience in them didn't lead to bigger and better things.
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Are you re****ed? The IMCA Modified is no where near a truck if youd like to see ill show you anytime. DLM and IMCA Modifieds specialize with birdcages 4 link, 3 link, 2 link, leaf spring, Z link, Sway bar, And the list goes on with pull bars and spring style pull bars and solid and bisquit bars and chains for limited suspension travel so it doesnt go beyond a certain degree just like A DLM. A truck suspension is closet to an IMCA Stock car. How would i know well ive been around more racecars in my life than most people have seen on a racetrack. I've driven not just a Modified, worked on a late model, driven a pavement stock car and the list goes on. Maybe you should also check into what Carl Edwards was told to run by Uncle Kenny. NOt a silver crown car. He ran that because someone else paid for it. Carl owned and drove late models and modifieds for himself. He was going somewhere because he had an in and was marketable. Thats how you get places in racing. The only way $$$$.
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January 17, 2013 at
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I'm not retarded, my mother had me tested.
I never said that an IMCA mod was LIKE a NASCAR truck, I said it was CLOSER than a dirt late model. I still believe that is true. I have never seen an IMCA mod pull the left rear tire forward and tuck it under the bodywork in the corners near as much as a DLM. (maybe the USMTS or UMP mods, but shock and spring rules are much more limiting in IMCA) You are correct that an IMCA stock car is closer to a truck than both classes.
The point about Carl Edwards is still valid.....he never got to where he is by running dirt late models....nobody has since Jeff Purvis.
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Posted By: Speedbump on January 17 2013 at 05:06:54 PM
I'm not retarded, my mother had me tested.
I never said that an IMCA mod was LIKE a NASCAR truck, I said it was CLOSER than a dirt late model. I still believe that is true. I have never seen an IMCA mod pull the left rear tire forward and tuck it under the bodywork in the corners near as much as a DLM. (maybe the USMTS or UMP mods, but shock and spring rules are much more limiting in IMCA) You are correct that an IMCA stock car is closer to a truck than both classes.
The point about Carl Edwards is still valid.....he never got to where he is by running dirt late models....nobody has since Jeff Purvis.
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Apparently you are there is only 2 things different on rear suspension between an imca modified and a usmts/ump modified. A quickchange which doesn't change how far the rear end moves and an imca car is not allowed a lift arm in place of a pull bar which also has no bearing. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't make it true. I race modifeds weekly our left rears move however far We choose no rule has limited the movement only the adjustments we choose to make if I want my left rear under the body it'll be there, BUT that's beyond the bar angle in which the narrow tires we have will hook up. Not because we can't, because its not beneficial I can run the same rearend under a latemodel if I wanted and you wouldn't know the difference except I can't afford the car. The only difference in the rear part of the car is imca mods can't run aluminum parts (such as birdcages and brake calipurs). Hmmm yep you don't get it. If you'd like to learn you can come over I know I can't show you by parking them side by side anytime!
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Posted By: vkracer51 on January 17 2013 at 06:54:52 PM
Apparently you are there is only 2 things different on rear suspension between an imca modified and a usmts/ump modified. A quickchange which doesn't change how far the rear end moves and an imca car is not allowed a lift arm in place of a pull bar which also has no bearing. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't make it true. I race modifeds weekly our left rears move however far We choose no rule has limited the movement only the adjustments we choose to make if I want my left rear under the body it'll be there, BUT that's beyond the bar angle in which the narrow tires we have will hook up. Not because we can't, because its not beneficial I can run the same rearend under a latemodel if I wanted and you wouldn't know the difference except I can't afford the car. The only difference in the rear part of the car is imca mods can't run aluminum parts (such as birdcages and brake calipurs). Hmmm yep you don't get it. If you'd like to learn you can come over I know I can't show you by parking them side by side anytime!
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well said.
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Posted By: BigRightRear on January 17 2013 at 01:00:45 PM
the safer barriers will make the racing line out of 2 and 4 a bit interesting...
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No safer barriers needed for this race per NASCAR......
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Posted By: chief wounded knee on January 16 2013 at 09:51:09 PM
You will see one boring race if they dont allow suspenstion changes. Iwatched the video of Tony running around the track and he couldn't keep the truck on the bottom! They better hire some sport mod guys to drive because they have no rear suspenstion movement either! They are 3 link with solid pull bar they would probably get around better because of shorter bars. Atleast you can get some rear steer out of a sport mod.
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the racing line at eldora is against the wall.
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on January 17 2013 at 11:37:57 PM
the racing line at eldora is against the wall.
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Yep, and that's exactly why I posted this above.
"I'm thinking anyone who can wheel a Champ Car at Eldora would do just fine in a truck. Running it straight and high will be where it's at, and diving down after a good run off the corner looking for a slide job is how they'll pass."
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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VKracer, I think your explanation of the DLM rear suspensions helps explain my original point that experience piloting a DLM will not provide any benefit when getting behind the wheel of a NASCAR truck.
Since we do not know what tire Goodyear will bring to Eldora for the trucks we can only make guesses. My guess is that the tire will be harder and stiffer than the tires they used to supply the dirt late models....something that was already stiffer and more conservative than the Hoosier LM tire currently popular with most LM sanctions.....kind of like the G60 is already.
My apologies, I did not realize that IMCA had opened up their shock rules for mods to allow the adjustable nitrogen canister $4000/set shock packages currently popular in open late model racing.
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Sammy will get the win and the following day we will read that "milwaski and Champagne" were admitted to their local psycho wards! 
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Sammy will get the win and the following day we will read that "milwaski and Champagne" were admitted to their local psycho wards!
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And Threadkillllller will think that somehow it was Danica's fault......
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Posted By: vande77 on January 17 2013 at 09:53:45 AM
I heard yesterday that among other things here are the items that Eldora must provide for the race:
6 Ambulances on site
2 Life Flight Helicoptors on site
an Infield Medical center and staff (they are being allowed to build a temporary one)
Push Truck Driver Uniforms (anyone going out onto the racing surface has to have a fireproof uniform which includes all officials, tow truck drivers, push truck drivers, etc., etc.).
I'd say that if NASCAR is being so "ticky tack" on uniforms for the guys packing the track, that they aren't going to bow down and "give" any licenses or anything away to competitors.
IMO, there will be 10 or less dirt "ringers" in the qualifying field and only 3-4 will have good enough equipment/crew to make the race (since there are only 30 starters, they better "qualify" in the top 15 as there will be provisionals based on owner points, most recent winner, past champion etc.).
I am looking forward to this race, but I have no delusions that 1/2 the field or more will be dirt track "ringers". The few trucks that are fully sponsored aren't going to kick out the driver they've built their entire program around for this event, only a handfull of teams run road course "ringers", but those "ringers" already have passed all the necessarry testing by NASCAR because they've either raced NASCAR before, are part of ALMS (owned by NASCAR) or already have a NASCAR license (they also run the Nationwide and Cup Road Courses). The truck races I've watched the last couple of years about 1/2 the field is running unsponsored, I highly doubt they're going to take a flyer on a driver just becuase they drive dirt every week, they are trying to build a PROGRAM with their driver that will attract a sponsor (or the driver themselves are bringing $$$$ to the team, hard to tell them they aren't racing if they help foot the bill).
The dirt track drivers I anticipate attempting to compete @ Eldora:
Bloomquist (in a KBM truck) - he provided cars for Kyle @ the Prelude, so it just makes sense
Tim McCreadie (in a Childress/Harvick Truck) - was part of Childress' team a few years ago, but they couldn't find sponsorship
Josh Richards - raced trucks a few times the last few years, so he has some contacts with teams
Will Vaught - has run a few Nationwide races
John Blankenship - has run a few Nationwide races for TBR - family has HUGE $$$ from the Coal industry, so he can bring sponsorship with him
Tyler Reddick - has run K&N races and wants to move to NASCAR
Kyle Larson - would have probably had a ride for Turner motorsports anyway regardless of whether or not they raced @ Eldora
I don't anticipate ANY drivers following the WoO to run this event (most know there is nothing in it for them as they are "too old" by NASCAR standards
You might see a couple USAC drivers, but if they can't bring $$ with them, it will be difficult for them to find a ride IMO.
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Great list of drivers. Let's say you are right on the number of drivers not being as high as I think, the list of guys you have thrown together is going to give the "regulars" fits at this race. Would not suprise me to see all of them in the top 10 or 15 in this race. Seriously. And, if KBM puts Bloomer in one of his trucks, seriously? Who can read a dirt track, while driving a mult-thousand pound race car (truck) better than that man? I cannot wait to see how this race goes down.
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