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Topic: 410s going to 16" d20 ASCS Hoosier tIre?
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October 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: oswald on October 10 2012 at 04:41:02 PM
Just take the wings off.
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Safety is one reason and another is billboard space. One of the problems with non wing racing is lack of display space for sponsors. Those wings are giant billboards for the sponsors and bring in bigger sponsors and dollars.
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October 11, 2012 at
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I am curious just how many nights people think a tire needs to last?
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October 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 10 2012 at 06:51:51 PM
Wheel halves are $115.
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One half of the rims I own have welded together rims. Also the outer half of beedlock are over $250.
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Posted By: linbob on October 11 2012 at 02:08:21 PM
One half of the rims I own have welded together rims. Also the outer half of beedlock are over $250.
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Cutoff wheels are a buck a piece. Change the inner half.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 11 2012 at 02:30:24 PM
Cutoff wheels are a buck a piece. Change the inner half.
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Clearly you know very little about "actual" racing. It's not as easy as "changing the cheaper half" .... unless you know zero about how the wheel rolls over the tire and how offset affects handling.
How many laps have you turned in a Sprint Car?
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October 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 10 2012 at 02:55:51 PM
Sounds like Knoxville might be considering going to the ASCS tire.
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The racing on 1/4 - 1/3 mile tracks under the given rules are generally pretty great.........maybe the tracks need to get smaller 
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October 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: fasterin3 on October 11 2012 at 02:54:07 PM
Clearly you know very little about "actual" racing. It's not as easy as "changing the cheaper half" .... unless you know zero about how the wheel rolls over the tire and how offset affects handling.
How many laps have you turned in a Sprint Car?
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Hey, you're the super budget guy. Just buy different wheel halves if you have to and run different axle spacers instead if that's all you can afford. As long as you have enough spline it doesn't make a lick of difference. There is no way buying wheels is going to cost you more than the savings you'd get from unhooking the cars 100 hp however. On a small track a ASCS 360 will be able to run right with a 410. With the Goodyears a lot of guys have already backed down to 800 hp -12 motors at small tracks. With this tire a 360 will be able to run right with one for sure. Also if you are able to run these tires a couple of nights, the savings alone from that will more than pay for some wheels in short order.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 11, 2012 at
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local 360 / 358 tracks - ignore the Donnie Schatz engine option at your own expense...
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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October 11, 2012 at
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hey cubic...how's that chinese made computer working your using, or that cell phone u call ur buddies on? anyone gotten hurt in one of them chinese built cars yet? 2nd in most wins right behind Maxim..
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 11 2012 at 03:48:39 PM
Hey, you're the super budget guy. Just buy different wheel halves if you have to and run different axle spacers instead if that's all you can afford. As long as you have enough spline it doesn't make a lick of difference. There is no way buying wheels is going to cost you more than the savings you'd get from unhooking the cars 100 hp however. On a small track a ASCS 360 will be able to run right with a 410. With the Goodyears a lot of guys have already backed down to 800 hp -12 motors at small tracks. With this tire a 360 will be able to run right with one for sure. Also if you are able to run these tires a couple of nights, the savings alone from that will more than pay for some wheels in short order.
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I do not think so. If guys are running dash 12 heads it is because its all they have. I do not think people are taking 100 hp off on purpose when building a new motor. On a real dry track a 360 could probably run with a 410, but not with moisture in track. Also was told that you should not weld a rim half again if you was going to replace a half.
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Posted By: linbob on October 11 2012 at 06:12:22 PM
I do not think so. If guys are running dash 12 heads it is because its all they have. I do not think people are taking 100 hp off on purpose when building a new motor. On a real dry track a 360 could probably run with a 410, but not with moisture in track. Also was told that you should not weld a rim half again if you was going to replace a half.
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Cubic appears to be wrong almost 100% of the time he posts. Changing the wheel spacing with spacers is not the same as changing the wheel offset (as he suggested previously). I would take the time to explain this to Cubic, but, based on his past posts I have read, he does not seem to understand or race himself.
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Posted By: linbob on October 11 2012 at 06:12:22 PM
I do not think so. If guys are running dash 12 heads it is because its all they have. I do not think people are taking 100 hp off on purpose when building a new motor. On a real dry track a 360 could probably run with a 410, but not with moisture in track. Also was told that you should not weld a rim half again if you was going to replace a half.
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The only 3/8s mile track we have in Central Pa is Lincoln Speedway. Dietrich beat the Outlaws this year with a -12 head motor there and Dietrich and Montieth have both used them to help win the track championship the past 5 years. If they go to the ASCS tire I bet someone could even win a summertime feature at the Grove.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 11, 2012 at
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October 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: fasterin3 on October 11 2012 at 07:55:26 PM
Cubic appears to be wrong almost 100% of the time he posts. Changing the wheel spacing with spacers is not the same as changing the wheel offset (as he suggested previously). I would take the time to explain this to Cubic, but, based on his past posts I have read, he does not seem to understand or race himself.
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I know exactly what you're talking about and evidently you're NOT smarter than a 5th grader. The only thing that matters is how far the RR is out. It doesn't make a lick of difference how you do it. Why do you think everyone uses wheel spacers now jackass. Half the low buck guys I know have a bunch of used mismatched offset wheels already anyway.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 11, 2012 at
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The 64000 dollar question....How limited, spec, cheap, slow, lousy, regulated and just plain terrible will the premier dirt track series on the planet have to get to make Cubic happy?
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 11 2012 at 08:15:53 PM
I know exactly what you're talking about and evidently you're NOT smarter than a 5th grader. The only thing that matters is how far the RR is out. It doesn't make a lick of difference how you do it. Why do you think everyone uses wheel spacers now jackass. Half the low buck guys I know have a bunch of used mismatched offset wheels already anyway.
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Quit acting like you know what your talking about... Different offset wheels affect the way the side walls flex
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October 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: comeon38 on October 11 2012 at 08:24:08 PM
Quit acting like you know what your talking about... Different offset wheels affect the way the side walls flex
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The narrower wheel you run for a given tire the more the sidewall flexes you moron. It doesn't matter how you offset the whole wheel on the rear axle, whether you simply use a spacer like 99% of people or you put on a whole different offset wheel.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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The thought of change in alot of peoples eyes is bad.I think the idea of a 16" wide right rear is a step in the right direction,but i think they need to change the wing size also,like 4 x 4 top wing,as well as the front wings , put the chassis adjusters back in and let the drivers have a little more to do with the out come of the races.They need to do something soon in central pa the big time owners are dropping like flies,atleast 2 to 3 ayear lately.The time of the $250,000.00 to $500,000.00 race teams and drivers racing for a living in PA is slowly dying.BUT THATS OK AS LONG AS THE TRACKS AND PROMOTERS KEEP MAKING THE MONEY AND THE OWNERS AND DRIVERS KEEP PAYING TO PUT ON THE SHOW.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you where to ask Garth Brooks to play at your fair grounds and told him he had to pay $1500.00 to play there do you think he would come???????? NOT.
There needs to be change or the only 410 sprints you will see is when the traveling circus comes to town and that wont be often.Lets start doing our own thing and worry about our teams and drivers then worry about the circus.
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 11 2012 at 08:32:56 PM
The narrower wheel you run for a given tire the more the sidewall flexes you moron. It doesn't matter how you offset the whole wheel on the rear axle, whether you simply use a spacer like 99% of people or you put on a whole different offset wheel.
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if you have a right rear wheel with the wheel center (or hub if you dont know what a wheel center is) all the way on the outside edge of the wheel it will put more weight on the outside edge of the tire thus flexing the side wall of the tire more than if you had a 0 offset wheel. so yes offset does change the way the tire works moron
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 11 2012 at 08:32:56 PM
The narrower wheel you run for a given tire the more the sidewall flexes you moron. It doesn't matter how you offset the whole wheel on the rear axle, whether you simply use a spacer like 99% of people or you put on a whole different offset wheel.
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Clearly you don't even know what wheel offset is, or how it affects the handling of the car. It's not how offset the wheel is in relation to the frame. That is wheel "spacing". It is how offset the tire is in relation to the hub, and will determine how much the tire rolls under the wheel during cornering.
Perhaps you should get truly "involved" in the sport in the capacity of a driver or team so that you have an understanding of the sport ... and "then" you can comment intelligently. It's a way different world in the pits than in the bleachers.
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Posted By: fasterin3 on October 11 2012 at 09:01:09 PM
Clearly you don't even know what wheel offset is, or how it affects the handling of the car. It's not how offset the wheel is in relation to the frame. That is wheel "spacing". It is how offset the tire is in relation to the hub, and will determine how much the tire rolls under the wheel during cornering.
Perhaps you should get truly "involved" in the sport in the capacity of a driver or team so that you have an understanding of the sport ... and "then" you can comment intelligently. It's a way different world in the pits than in the bleachers.
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Haaaaaa. What an idiot Cubic is.
Tomorrows lesson: How tire siping is different from tire grooving!
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