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Jamie, I agree with you. I wasn't referring to them. I didn't know they were on TV. Those are some of the young drivers that should be representing the speedway. This sport has a very diverse group of people from many back grounds. I just think if you want outsiders to embrace SFS you need to be more aware of who they put in front of the camera. NASCAR and racing in general has always had a good ole boy or redneck heritage. Now they have Jeff Gordon, Jimmy Johnson, Jamie McMurry the popularity of NASCAR has sky rocketed and everyone is reaping the rewards. I think the same would help SFS. There are a bunch of drivers like the Jenning's, Whitt, Decker, Joe Jr etc. that would be great in front of the masses. It's just marketing 101. Fairly easy stuff.

Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps your kids 
close!

Greg hit the nail on the head.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

what a prediction........you wouldn't make much of an astronomer. BMS can't handle 60 sprints and 50 mods. If they ever got that car count.......the purse could not possibly be paid w/o a major loss. There simply is not a fan base out there to pull from. That is not to knock on BMS.......the better the racing is there the better for racing in general I think. I just think it is a track that is doing an A+ job to just have full features. But there is nothin that comes close to the quality of racing at OKC. Personally I think if SFS is gone without a REAL replacement.......dirt track racing as a whole in Oklahoma will be a lot less interesting. There is still Lawton, Enid, Meeker, Creek, Ardmore and all those.......but like I said........they are nothing like SFS. But that is my biased opinion as I am not all that interested in those sat. night tracks unless ASCS is there........or maybe Enid every now and again. I think 4 car heats are boring.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
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you get 60 sprints, 50 mnods, 50 factory stocks , 20 + e-mods * 20+ minis., mark would probly think of fri races instead of sat's. there is the potintial for 150 + in the pits, the parking can be expanded south in the pits .the parking can be expanded east and west for spectators. the potintial is there for a big track show

yeah maybe they could handle it in those regards. The stands are the problem. That race would be possible......IF it were elbow-to-elbow in the stands. thats the problem.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

It would have to be Friday nights for OKC IF the track would ever to be closed. There are alot of drivers who just race on Friday nights and then spend the rest of the weekend with their family doing family stuff.

Drivers will probably not travel no more than 30 minutes from their home to race. Hell, they don't do it now as it is.

This is NOT a knock against any promoter as I like them all and respect them all and hopefully they all know that. But if there does have to be an alternative to SFS then there has to be a new track built from scratch. Went to McCool, Nebraska where the track is relatively new. Grandstands compared to the Dodge City track and the track is a good sized three-eighths. Great racing and the grandstands were three-fourths full (approx. 5000 capacity) with no major city anywhere close (York, NE. just ten miles up the road).

Cities that had to build new tracks had it all pay off for them at the time. The track in Amarillo was always full when I traveled there in the late 90's and early 2000. When the new Tulsa Speedway was first built, they hosted packed grandstands and did for many a year until greedy and bad promotion helped dwindel the car count before car owners and drivers virtually killed Tulsa in that city.

I am reminded via email from somebody on the road that we all know who informs the track needs to be like the new Lakeside Speedway in Kansas City. The old dirt track, changed to pavement and then back to dirt is an excellent facility and has sold out crowds and excellent racing. Before they switched to dirt this last time, they made tons of changes and upgrades and it has paid off, I am told.

It would probably take 1 - 2 million dollars for a top-notch facility for Friday nights (Outlaw was 2.somethin million) but I feel would amost have to be done to come close to the crowds and car counts that we have now.

This is just my opinion and from talking to certain folks IF there does have to be an option. Remember, we do have signed contracts but with any contract - especially where a city is concerned - I am sure there are loopholes. I hope not but one can never be for sure.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

So, I f you think Brill's could not handle the large crowd of racer's, then where would OKC racers racer? The three about equal distance from OKC tracks are Brill's in Meeker , the better chioce, Lawton run by Lanny, who most of you don't like But was resently voted Promoter of the year, or Enid, Who some of you have said they don't treat City poeple fairly.

Lawton can handle the large surge of racers and crowds, But the tolls

Enid could handle the crowds, but does not have the room for a surge of racers

Brill's would need alot of work to handle the surge of racers and crowds.

My vote is for Brills'. Why, I think, although not a sure thing people and racers will travel there from OKC. The promoter is as fair of a person I have come across. The track is run by a racer for the racer. I think that if the race track was

rearrange, for example the pits moved to the parking and the parking to the pits, Turn the track 90 degrees and back about 200 feet.

Alot of dirt work, but would be worth it. Just my opinion

That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.

If the City of Okc was to pay fully for a dirt track then I woud be one hunderd percent amazed. The City of Okc is not interested in our form of entertainemt. They are more intersted in the Pro Major league sports. It was not more than three weeks ago the City approved to spend some amount of million dollors for a study to see what it would take for the Cox center to be a NHL arena. Also, there are rumors floating around that the city wants to build a new areana for an NBA team because the Ford Center is outdated.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

I can see what you're sayin man. But outside of SFS.....and outside of Sprint cars.....ENid is by far the best track in the state. Considering the rules of the factory stocks here in OKC.....I don't doubt that one would go up to Enid and be illegal. But from everything I've heard and from the limited amount I have seen those people mean business! Unlike most other tracks......they DO have a rulebook AND they meant to USE IT. My ONLY.....and I mean ONLY problem with Enid is that there are not any sprints.....but lol....if one likes great dirt racing (especially mods) it's the place to be on a saturday night. O and another thing that I like about Enid......if the promoters continue to dot he good job they are doin up there......I think sometime in the next year or 2 I'll be makin the trip up 81 from El Reno and seein some open wheel racing there. ascs or ncra I don't really care.......but I'd bet they will have a sprint race or 2 there soon.

What you mention about Meeker is not just dirt work.......but a complete renovation.

IMO.....David Smith hit the nail right on the head with his post. Very well put David. But I don't see why Lanny wouldn't do it. He has the money and the interest.......and KNOWS there is money to be made with how good the racin is here and the crowds that attend them........just food for thought.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Muskogee is going to open back up next year and it has been announced that they are going to run on Friday nights and will run 2 barrel cars. You know they will have a couple of ASCS shows there.

Fan not trying to start an argument with you or anything. But, why wouldnt Lanny bring the WOO back to Okc, before the half mile went away, he said was that the promotors fee was to high and could not make a profit from the race even though the stand were packed. I think it might be the same thing with the grandstands.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

no argument here man. especially to that. every so often I wonder out loud about that ...and later on I remember.........Lanny could make more money of an ASCS show at SFS than he could with a WoO. But I do find it odd that tracks half the size of OKC have WoO shows and make money off of them. I also didn;t think Shane Carson was runnin WoO when Lanny decided to drop em. But it's a move I'm mostly in favor of.......as I like the spring and winter Nationals at Devil's Bowl ASCS style. But I do think it would be nice to have at least 1 mid summer race at both the Bowl and OKC. Keep in mind I say mid-summer......I sure don't want it affecting the ascs races around here. The devil's bowl winter nationals this year with the wesmar challenge is going to be awesome. With the challenge you gotta figure there will be a lot of travelers there.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Just how long do you think it would take Brill motor speedway to buy, or build one set of grandstands??? Thats all it would take to alleviate the elbow to elbow problem. We DON"T have an overcrowding problem in the stands, yet. And believe me too many fans and too many cars is a problem we'd LOVE to have. Plans are already in the works for MANY improvements.

OKCFan12, have you been to BMS YET???? It seems to me you make a lot of negative posts about a facility that you admitted once that you haven't been to in years. How do you know what BMS could or couldn't handle?? You would be correct, with our current seating we would be in big trouble if we had a OKC size crowd. BUT if OKC closes, don't you think Mark is smart enough to realize BMS is the closest track to OKC, and expansion would be neccessary? We have PLENTY of room for more grandstands. And we still allow lawn chairs, which some people find preferable to those darn metal bleachers. Yeah, we'd have our work cut out for us, but I think it could be done!

Yep, The_announcer I think BMS is watching the SFS very close. I do think BMS made a great purchase. And I like the lawn chair. Happy fourth to all.

That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.

if okc does close i look at the potintial for mass expantion at bms on a grand scale. ie. new grand stand, more parking, more pit stalls, the improvments are virtiously endless. there is new concession stands both sides already, lighting track and pits, air piped to pit stalls, improved pa system. the improvements alone is a sign of commitment to the racers from one that knows what would make life a little easer on race day. jmo. i think bms is going to be the place to race for okc and surounding area.