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August 15, 2012 at
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I believe Steve and Kraig Kinser need to get a new engine builder/supplier. My reason for this is because they have the most troubles in the WoO series, yes Steve maybe 2nd in points, but it seems like every night I see 11 or 11k doing a motor change. I have major respect but u don't see Schatz, Swindell, Saldana, & etc changing motors as mush as Steve or Kraig. Like I said I have major respect for Scott, but I believe they should have someone else building motors so Scott can fine tune and work on the car.
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August 15, 2012 at
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09:21:24 AM by minthess
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Posted By: stefani0068 on August 15 2012 at 07:31:44 AM
I believe Steve and Kraig Kinser need to get a new engine builder/supplier. My reason for this is because they have the most troubles in the WoO series, yes Steve maybe 2nd in points, but it seems like every night I see 11 or 11k doing a motor change. I have major respect but u don't see Schatz, Swindell, Saldana, & etc changing motors as mush as Steve or Kraig. Like I said I have major respect for Scott, but I believe they should have someone else building motors so Scott can fine tune and work on the car.
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The only potential improvement would be a RoushYates Ford or Kistler Mopar and I doubt if Tony would allow that.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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August 15, 2012 at
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The Kinser motors by Scott are fine look at the points and they know what they have in those motors. Sure they reuse undamaged parts but they are there all the time and will actually spend less out of pocket than most teams for engine parts alone,just remember these two guys Steve and Scott, been doing this deal for a long,long,time, some respect for their knowledge is needed here,they test a lot of things no one will ever know about.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: Bet n Housen on August 15 2012 at 09:28:29 AM
The Kinser motors by Scott are fine look at the points and they know what they have in those motors. Sure they reuse undamaged parts but they are there all the time and will actually spend less out of pocket than most teams for engine parts alone,just remember these two guys Steve and Scott, been doing this deal for a long,long,time, some respect for their knowledge is needed here,they test a lot of things no one will ever know about.
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I agree. I don't think they are grenading the motors and then pulling them out and throwing them on the scrap heap. I think they still have a good motor that just needs some TLC.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Or they are just turning the f out of them and have them on edge, even more than everyone else. When Lasoski had money behind him he was doing three engine changes a night also. If the cars really were unhooked you wouldn't see it.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
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August 15, 2012 at
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August 15, 2012 at
10:30:32 AM by Bear
Clearly there is a horsepower issue. Have you watched the on track performance? His car barely takes off on starts. It takes about 3 laps to get going and by then the rest of the field has checked out.
All you need to do is look at the qualifying this past week. He went out 4th of 67 on Friday night and timed a 15.395. Dale Blaney goes out almost last on his third motor of the week, which wasn't as good as his other motors and down on horsepower and he out timed Steve by a tenth and a half. There is a horsepower issue just watch the on track performance.
The Garrett's,Morrison's, Parker's, Rider's, and Shaver's are clearly stronger. Granted when you race car is junk and it won't turn left that doesn't help the matter either. Thats why the issues are less prevelent for Kraig than Steve. Kraig's car is much better than Steve's.
Steve is running right where he should be running...about 5-8 every night with the WoO and when the field is as good as it was last week you don't make the show.
I'm afraid Steve's loyalty may be getting the best of him and his program right now. Sometimes a change is needed and a good thing. All good things must come to an end and now might be the right time if Steve wants to win another Knoxville Nationals. Money isn't an issue.
I"m die hard Kinser fan and just telling it like I see it.
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August 15, 2012 at
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I always wondered why Tony didn't have all his teams run the same engines like Kasey Kahne's teams do. Steve runs Gerkins, Schatz runs Shavers, Tony runs Kistlers and I am not sure what Levi Jones runs with USAC. Seems the teams could better share information and it would just be easier.
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August 15, 2012 at
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My dad and a group of our racing friends went out to Indiana Sprint Week this year and while they were out there they visited Steve Kinser's shop and got a small tour from Randy Kinser. It is actually Randy that builds the large majority of the engines as he is always there at the shop. Gerkin will start one during free time away from the track, but it sits in the shop and doesn't get worked on until the next time Gerkin goes to the shop. Randy said he only goes to the Nationals and the rest of the year he is in the shop.
Ask Frank
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August 15, 2012 at
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Scott doesn't build Steve's engines, I'm sure he has input on how they are built but Randy Kinser is the one that actually stays home and builds the engines.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: stefani0068 on August 15 2012 at 07:31:44 AM
I believe Steve and Kraig Kinser need to get a new engine builder/supplier. My reason for this is because they have the most troubles in the WoO series, yes Steve maybe 2nd in points, but it seems like every night I see 11 or 11k doing a motor change. I have major respect but u don't see Schatz, Swindell, Saldana, & etc changing motors as mush as Steve or Kraig. Like I said I have major respect for Scott, but I believe they should have someone else building motors so Scott can fine tune and work on the car.
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I bet if you went back through the races so far this year,you will find that both of the Big Game cars have probably changed just as,if not more motors than SKR,why hell,remember last year in Florida? The Big Game cars went through something like 6 or 7 motors just in that week in Florida alone!
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August 15, 2012 at
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Not to hijack this thread,but what ever happened to the engine shop that TSR is/was going to be building that (I think) R Shaver was overseeing/consulting on? Did that get nixed in the GM,bailout possibly as some of the GM other pending race related programs?.. I do remember reading about this,,maybe 3-4-5 years ago,somewere.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: Bear on August 15 2012 at 10:25:53 AM
Clearly there is a horsepower issue. Have you watched the on track performance? His car barely takes off on starts. It takes about 3 laps to get going and by then the rest of the field has checked out.
All you need to do is look at the qualifying this past week. He went out 4th of 67 on Friday night and timed a 15.395. Dale Blaney goes out almost last on his third motor of the week, which wasn't as good as his other motors and down on horsepower and he out timed Steve by a tenth and a half. There is a horsepower issue just watch the on track performance.
The Garrett's,Morrison's, Parker's, Rider's, and Shaver's are clearly stronger. Granted when you race car is junk and it won't turn left that doesn't help the matter either. Thats why the issues are less prevelent for Kraig than Steve. Kraig's car is much better than Steve's.
Steve is running right where he should be running...about 5-8 every night with the WoO and when the field is as good as it was last week you don't make the show.
I'm afraid Steve's loyalty may be getting the best of him and his program right now. Sometimes a change is needed and a good thing. All good things must come to an end and now might be the right time if Steve wants to win another Knoxville Nationals. Money isn't an issue.
I"m die hard Kinser fan and just telling it like I see it.
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i thought i heard steve was using one of donny's motors on fri.
didn't someone mention that?
to indy and beyond!!
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August 15, 2012 at
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Joey changed an engine after hotlaps on Saturday and Cody Darrah changed one after hot laps on Friday.
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August 15, 2012 at
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That's what I heard
Hammerdown!
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August 15, 2012 at
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I'm not saying that no one else changes motors I'm sayin it seems to me that they change motors more than anyone else. Like I said before he may be second in points but changing motors all the time has to be annoying and I bet u Steve would rather be winning than jus getting good finishes. All I'm saying I have major respect for Scott or u say randy but they need a change cuz u don't see everyone else changing motors as much as them, they just need a new motor builder/supplier to get those wins.
Also big game may have changed a lot of motors in Florida but u don't see them changing them as much as Steve and Kraig, plus kkr has only had those issues once this hole year.
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August 15, 2012 at
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All of the above mentioned motor changing is the major reason you don't see more teams on the WoO tour. Reduce the compression ratio to something reasonable, saving teams a ton of money and you will see greater car counts and the fans in the stands will never notice the difference.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Is it possible that Steve is pickier about what he expects out of a motor than other guys do. As someone else said too they are possibly testing new things alot too. I don't know that their changing motors all the time because there blowing up, which leads me to believe, they are not performing like Steve wants so he throws a different one in and then they can later open that motor up and change the cam or the lifters or whatever it is they think could make it better. JMO
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August 15, 2012 at
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Steve's restarts killed him at the nationals!! JMO, but I think he lays back to far on the starts? Saw him do the same thing at Husets this year also. I'm a huge fan, but replays would tell the story, don't think its all a motor thing?
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Posted By: stefani0068 on August 15 2012 at 01:17:02 PM
I'm not saying that no one else changes motors I'm sayin it seems to me that they change motors more than anyone else. Like I said before he may be second in points but changing motors all the time has to be annoying and I bet u Steve would rather be winning than jus getting good finishes. All I'm saying I have major respect for Scott or u say randy but they need a change cuz u don't see everyone else changing motors as much as them, they just need a new motor builder/supplier to get those wins.
Also big game may have changed a lot of motors in Florida but u don't see them changing them as much as Steve and Kraig, plus kkr has only had those issues once this hole year.
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I disagree. Steve Kinser has won more races and WoO championships than anybody. He does not need to prove anything to anybody when it comes to sprint car racing. At this point in his career I can't see him being eager to make a change now. I'm not sure how long he's been with Gerkin and Randy Kinser but I would guess it has been a long time. He's second in points... I don't think the grass can get much greener for him especially at his age.
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August 15, 2012 at
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Shoulda used a Vlasic.
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