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August 13, 2012 at
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Busted u-joint daggered Sammy's run - father time wasnt involved in that.
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August 13, 2012 at
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Posted By: HDsmoke20 on August 11 2012 at 10:27:56 PM
Crazy to think that only 1 of the 24 starters has won the grandaddy before. Go Stevie!
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Donny Shatz and Kraig Kinser makes 2
Bring back Santa Fe, and LaSalle .
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August 13, 2012 at
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Posted By: revjimk on August 13 2012 at 12:55:41 PM
End of an era? Hope not.... Kinser jinxed himself with black car?
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i admire both of them for what they have done for the sport. they have horsepower left but imo the era has come to a close, well, almost. more of a swindell fan i am...
Ascot was the greatest of all time..
West Capital wasn't half bad either..
Life is good...
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August 13, 2012 at
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U-joint turned Sammy's Nats the wrong way. Both Sammy & Steve had a fighting chance, but missed on setup. Perhaps Steve's motor change didn't leave time for needed chassis/tires on Fri. Steve had a great start after jumping into the early lead on Fri eve, only to have a yellow cancel that out. That lap was the best his car looked, and it went backwards from there. Car didn't seem close enough for him to even have a chance with. Makes you wonder how much info sharing there is between the 11 & 15, as 15 comes out in the Fri Challenge race and thumps em all. Apples & Oranges.
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August 14, 2012 at
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Posted By: Speedbump on August 11 2012 at 10:30:22 PM
Does the Nat's pay WoO points or do they just do showup points since provisionals are not allowed?
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Show up points only since it is not the standard WoO format.
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August 14, 2012 at
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Wednesday night with the heavy rain prior to the race, we saw speeds in the 14.7 seconds range. That is fast, but that same night the track did not widen out to be conducive to good racing (provide for more passing). You get points for passing cars. So this really put guys like Rahmer, Kinser, and others behind the 8 ball in their heats. They couldn't pass, because the cars were so locked down and fast on the surface that was fast. By comparison, Thursday night the track was almost a second slower, 15.6 second range, but the racing was much better as the night went on. The track widened out and was slicker, and provided for passing. these two nights locked in the top 16 in points. Most of which, came from the Thursday races.
I don't mean to start a fight or cause any problems, but there were actually an equal number of cars that locked into the Saturday A-Feature from Wed and Thursday. Guys like Schatz made it through by being aggressive and hanging it out on Wednesday. The first two Rows were equal in terms of Wed Thur Qualifiers. Despite the track being narrow and fast on Wed, there were still top qualifiers who made it work. Steve did not look good on any of the nights he raced, and Sammy was fast, but failed to pick up the one pass he needed to make the show. They are not done by any means and you will likely see these two ripping it up over the next few weeks.
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August 14, 2012 at
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True dat. Track was the same for everyone. I think they inverted too many cars.
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August 14, 2012 at
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Maybe since the Nats is the biggest race of the year - and there are SO darn many good teams now... they need to really make it the biggest race of the year regarding field size. Some WoO races start 28 cars due to there being two WoO provisionals and two local provs... so why not make the A main field of the Nationals 30 (qualified) cars -- with no provisionals. And while they're at it make it 60 laps and then it would be "30 cars for 30 miles = the biggest and longest race of the year".
Just a thought....
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August 14, 2012 at
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WHAT A BADLY MISSED PROMOTIONAL CHANCE. THAT WAS LOST. PROMOTORS CHOICE . STEVE AND SAMMY STARTING AT THE REAR IN THE A MAIN. THE CROWD WOULD HAVE LOVED IT. AND HATE THEM OR LOVE THEM . THEY HAVE BOTH GIVEN THE CROWD THE BEST THEY HAVE HAD FOR MORE THAN THIRTY YEARS...BAD PROMOTION KNOXVILLE
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: bbqking on August 11 2012 at 10:16:16 PM
Wow. Didn't see that one coming at the beginning of the week.
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No Sammy No Steve No Haud No Lasoski No Schaffer.There was a LOT of good racers that missed it.Are they all washed up?
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: sprintfn1 on August 14 2012 at 05:26:14 PM
WHAT A BADLY MISSED PROMOTIONAL CHANCE. THAT WAS LOST. PROMOTORS CHOICE . STEVE AND SAMMY STARTING AT THE REAR IN THE A MAIN. THE CROWD WOULD HAVE LOVED IT. AND HATE THEM OR LOVE THEM . THEY HAVE BOTH GIVEN THE CROWD THE BEST THEY HAVE HAD FOR MORE THAN THIRTY YEARS...BAD PROMOTION KNOXVILLE
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Hate to tell you this, but a MAJORITY of the fans at the National LOATHE provisionals. Adding Steve and Sammy just becuase would be TERRIBLE promotion.
For years, people came to see Steve get beat (although he rarely did), to see Doug win (and if he didn't, they still talk about his charges through the field like 87 and 90) and to see Sammy lose.
Why it'd be TERRIBLE promotion in my book is this. You'd be giving them a FREE PASS to the feature to make $10,000 (or take $$ away from other drivers that EARNED the right to start the feature (If they started last and made it up to 2nd let's say, they would have cost some team/driver $37,000 (the difference between 2nd and 3rd place payout)). NO ONE should get a FREE PASS to the feature, that includes rookies, NASCAR stars, Steve, Sammy, etc., etc., etc..
You start doing that and what's the point of the racing all week? Just decide on 24 guys, run a feature and pay out the $$$. (although hardly any fans would pay to watch an "exhibition" race).
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Posted By: vande77 on August 15 2012 at 02:48:16 PM
Hate to tell you this, but a MAJORITY of the fans at the National LOATHE provisionals. Adding Steve and Sammy just becuase would be TERRIBLE promotion.
For years, people came to see Steve get beat (although he rarely did), to see Doug win (and if he didn't, they still talk about his charges through the field like 87 and 90) and to see Sammy lose.
Why it'd be TERRIBLE promotion in my book is this. You'd be giving them a FREE PASS to the feature to make $10,000 (or take $$ away from other drivers that EARNED the right to start the feature (If they started last and made it up to 2nd let's say, they would have cost some team/driver $37,000 (the difference between 2nd and 3rd place payout)). NO ONE should get a FREE PASS to the feature, that includes rookies, NASCAR stars, Steve, Sammy, etc., etc., etc..
You start doing that and what's the point of the racing all week? Just decide on 24 guys, run a feature and pay out the $$$. (although hardly any fans would pay to watch an "exhibition" race).
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Good point about free pass for 10 grand. Wouldn't be fair, why just Sammy & Steve?
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August 17, 2012 at
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Why Steve and Sammy? They are the two greatest winged sprint car drivers of all-time or the fact that in this late stage in their career you may never see them again and throw in the fact that at least half the shirts you see there and more than that many are cheering for either one or the other and you have the 'why' answered. Not saying this should or shouldn't have happened but the vast majority of the fans would not have had a problem with it, trust me....
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Posted By: MSPN on August 17 2012 at 08:40:09 AM
Why Steve and Sammy? They are the two greatest winged sprint car drivers of all-time or the fact that in this late stage in their career you may never see them again and throw in the fact that at least half the shirts you see there and more than that many are cheering for either one or the other and you have the 'why' answered. Not saying this should or shouldn't have happened but the vast majority of the fans would not have had a problem with it, trust me....
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The day they add provisional starters to the A - main at the Nationals will be the last Nationals I ever attend (and there are many other fans that feel the same way I'm sure)
The reasoning is this: The Nationals are an enigma, they are the one race all year where the fans know that it's not a guarantee who will be in the main come Saturday Night. There are always surprises (little teams that have GREAT qualifying nights), the heavy hitters (Schatz who just can't miss the last 10 years or so), and the guys that are missing (Steve and Sammy this year for example, but I remember years (including this one) without other big names like Lasoski, Stevie Smith, Hodnett, Rahmer, Dave Blaney (two years ago was the ONLY time he ever missed the A main when he was racing), Dale Blaney, Shaffer, Kraig Kinser, Sides, etc., etc., etc..
Adding Steve and Sammy just because would CHEAPEN the EVENT. The beauty of the Nationals is that NO ONE is guaranteed a starting spot, they all have to EARN IT (unlike all the other WoO shows since they added provisionals).
Don't forget that Andy Hillenberg missed the show one year and Ted Johnson added the "non-starting provisional" for him to keep his streak of A main starts alive. Andy said "No thanks, I didn't make the show" and the streak ended.
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August 20, 2012 at
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Big names, the ones you listed don't belong in the same sentence historically with Steve and Sammy and I was merely pointing this out to the newbie revk. Adding Steve and Sammy to anything enhances the event, it doesn't cheapen it. If you think so, watch how long the big boys exist after they're gone. Only a fool would believe that if it was possible to do an instant survey the very vast majority would not have liked those two to trail the field.....
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Posted By: vande77 on August 20 2012 at 09:51:14 AM
The day they add provisional starters to the A - main at the Nationals will be the last Nationals I ever attend (and there are many other fans that feel the same way I'm sure)
The reasoning is this: The Nationals are an enigma, they are the one race all year where the fans know that it's not a guarantee who will be in the main come Saturday Night. There are always surprises (little teams that have GREAT qualifying nights), the heavy hitters (Schatz who just can't miss the last 10 years or so), and the guys that are missing (Steve and Sammy this year for example, but I remember years (including this one) without other big names like Lasoski, Stevie Smith, Hodnett, Rahmer, Dave Blaney (two years ago was the ONLY time he ever missed the A main when he was racing), Dale Blaney, Shaffer, Kraig Kinser, Sides, etc., etc., etc..
Adding Steve and Sammy just because would CHEAPEN the EVENT. The beauty of the Nationals is that NO ONE is guaranteed a starting spot, they all have to EARN IT (unlike all the other WoO shows since they added provisionals).
Don't forget that Andy Hillenberg missed the show one year and Ted Johnson added the "non-starting provisional" for him to keep his streak of A main starts alive. Andy said "No thanks, I didn't make the show" and the streak ended.
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And that is what makes Steve's streak of 34 years so amazing. Think about that. For 34 years he overcame every obstacle thrown at him. Blown motors, broken parts, flat tires, crashes, bad qualifying times, poor setups, rules changes to make it harder, etc, etc. How is that even possible! Just look at Sammy this year. Even after a broken part he was still in petty good position and everyone in the world expected him to be in the A main. But for what ever reason he just couldn't get going in the B. That didn't happen to Steve for 34 years! It's an amazing streak that like many of his records probably won't ever be broken.
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August 20, 2012 at
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No deals,no provisionals ,no past champions,no one other than the top 24 that earn their way in,no other thing to give someone a free ride.They all are so called "racers" ,they must earn points every time on the track,if they don't,so be it,the next guy will,drop in during year several times and figure the place out if you can,several have and do this yearly.They all know the rules and qualifications to get in the big show,so make some don't,no tears from here for any of the sitting out this one gang. And please don't change a thing,nothing,people will turn on you for it thus another empty seat.
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August 20, 2012 at
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I know if I had been there I would have been very disappointed not seeing Steve and Sammy racing on Saturday night.
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August 20, 2012 at
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As much as I would have loved to see Sammy & Steve in the A, a provisional would be totally unfair to everyone else. Provisionals for ALL former winners?
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Seeing Kinser not make it into the A main was great. I am with vande on this that adding them as a provisional would not have been real popular, not everybody is a Kinser or Swindell fan. Now if only Schatz and Kinser would miss the A next year would be perfect.
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