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Topic: IRA Sprints Ty Bartz Mike Kertscher incident at the Plymouth Dirt Track
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July 02, 2012 at
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Posted By: Old Race Fan on July 02 2012 at 09:32:27 AM
Nice camera work Gunner. Now everybody take a deep breath! Stuff happens. Watching the video posted here, (I was not there) Mike appeared to be the leader. Ty was a back-marker. When you watch the HD video in regular time, Mike entered the turn low to protect the inside from a charging Baylog. Bartz was riding the top of the turn. At the apex, (the middle of the turn) Mike began to drift high and Bartz started a sharp left toward a lower exit of the turn. Big mistake as a back-marker!
At the point of contact, Mike had an advantage over Bartz evidenced by where contact occured on the 80K. The far back 1/4 of the wing sustained damage on the 80 K. Simultaneously, Mike and Ty headed for the same track position and something had to give. As a back marker, and you know you are or at least should know you are, you have a shared responsibility to stay out of the leaders way. Mike tried to slide under and past Ty. Ty for whatever reason looked to exit low from the top of the turn. Responsibility is shared by both drivers. It was purely a racing accident. So all of you stop screaming like you belong on TMZ, it was a racing accident by two competitive drivers.
I'm not certain parking Kertscher for the incident was the right call. It appeared that is what happened? If it did, tread lightly IRA because you need kertscher right now more than he needs you. Without the 80 K this year, the IRA would have no show and the series point race would be long over. The on-track battle between Baylog and Kertscher is the best I've seen since Melius and Johnson back in the 60's. It's been building for two years, let it grow! Otherwise, your stands won't be 2/3 empty, they will be ¾ empty.
You have nothing else to hang your hat on, unless you bring in the hired guns to walk off with the prize money.
You know how your loyal drivers feel about that.
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I agree wholeheartedly. 2 guys going for the same real estate. no way to tell who could see what or when, things happen fast, & that's a tight little track for big, high compression motors. Hopefully everyone cools down & gets back to the task at hand.
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July 02, 2012 at
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July 02, 2012 at
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Posted By: Old Race Fan on July 02 2012 at 11:55:15 AM
seriously, watch the front of the 46 and watch his front wheels. Both were going for the same spot. Fact is, Ty has probably been upside down more than anyone in the IRA except maybe Irwin. And no the video does not lie. I have the capacity to break it down frame by frame and prove all of you wrong. When you look at it frame by frame, he clearly comes down off his line as Mike slides up. No over analysis just reality tv.
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Comes down off his line my ass. Even IF, and that is a huge IF, he would have held his line, the 80 would have gotten him later than sooner. It looks like the only chance he had of not hitting him, would have been if the 46 wasn't there at all...... Ridiculous.....
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July 02, 2012 at
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good thing the 80 car had another car to bounce off of...or he'd be the one waiting to be extricated after he blasted with wall unassisted.
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Posted By: BigRightRear on July 02 2012 at 01:10:39 PM
good thing the 80 car had another car to bounce off of...or he'd be the one waiting to be extricated after he blasted with wall unassisted.
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Thank you......
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Posted By: maddog53 on July 02 2012 at 02:10:07 PM
Thank you......
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8 tires have always cornered better than 4
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July 02, 2012 at
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This thread is evidence that at least 25% of the population is just plain stupid.
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July 02, 2012 at
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I hear people around kenosha saying kertscher turned into bartz and took him out on purpose. that is stupid. if you watch the video carefully he turns right to avoid the inside corner tire. witch causes kertscher to drift higher than I think he intended. it was just racing. Gunner. good camera work!
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Posted By: 69bigbad on July 02 2012 at 09:32:00 PM
I hear people around kenosha saying kertscher turned into bartz and took him out on purpose. that is stupid. if you watch the video carefully he turns right to avoid the inside corner tire. witch causes kertscher to drift higher than I think he intended. it was just racing. Gunner. good camera work!
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Good post 69. I never realized how many emotional women were sprint car fans. It was one of those racing accidents. Both driving hard and getting together. And, as for the 141 accident with Baylog, it's my understanding that Baylog never complained because he understands that he and Mike were after the same piece of realestate. You people seriously blame a guy for laying it on the line racing to win a clean sweep. Get a pair! Baylog apparently didn't make a big deal out of 141 because he would do the same. Would all of you really want it any other way? I wouldn't. The edge is what attracts race fans and drivers to the sport in the first place. Otherwise, we would all be little homo drifter fans running around in white sun glasses driving little white Subaru Impressa's.
Didn't Baylog destroy two other cars after 141 in a period of a week?
Fortunately the last two weeks he has been backdoor Billy Baylog, sort of like backdoor Billy Johnson against Melius back in the 60's. For you youngsters, that's Miles Melius running on the edge
while Billy Johnson ran on the bottom and backed into most of his wins. One had a set the other didn't!
Funny how history repeats. Enjoy it while you can. The IRA has a marketable pair of rivals going here.
Let's see if they are smart enough to massage it and use it to put fans in the stands. Is this fun or what? LOL
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Posted By: bullring on July 02 2012 at 04:01:08 PM
8 tires have always cornered better than 4
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Actually you are wrong about 8 tires being better than 4. The Terrel Formula One Car back in the 80's had, (I believe) 6 tires and it pushed like a mother. Was not as impressive in the corners on tight tracks as expected. LOL
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Posted By: Old Race Fan on July 02 2012 at 11:20:42 PM
Actually you are wrong about 8 tires being better than 4. The Terrel Formula One Car back in the 80's had, (I believe) 6 tires and it pushed like a mother. Was not as impressive in the corners on tight tracks as expected. LOL
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Yeah, I guess I should rephrase that. The drivers have always "thought" 8 tires corner better than 4. lol
On a side note, I don't see how anyone could think that was Ty Bartz's fault. His rear tires are on the cushion all the way around no matter where his front wheels are pointing. Do I think Kertcher did it intentionately? Of course not. Why would he take a chance of ruining his night, which ultimately happened. Probably just got over excited knowing the race is almost over and figuring the 17 is coming.
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I made myself feel better about this deal by going home and checking my DVR and rewatching the WOO heat from Charlotte with Sammy."maybe someday they'll learn".It makes this deal seem small,but very similiar.Can't wait for the next IRA show!
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Posted By: maddog53 on July 02 2012 at 12:28:40 PM
Comes down off his line my ass. Even IF, and that is a huge IF, he would have held his line, the 80 would have gotten him later than sooner. It looks like the only chance he had of not hitting him, would have been if the 46 wasn't there at all...... Ridiculous.....
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You're ass has some hillbilly in it. Don't comment on anything other than that type of stuff, cuz that's all you know.
The real problem here and almost all "hub" IRA shows, is that there are 3 good cars and drivers and 27 slow ones who shouldn't be racing 410 sprint cars. How many times at these "local" IRA shows in the last 5 or 6 years has a very fast leader or charger get caught up by a very slow car? Probably why fewer and fewer "travelers" or "outlaws" are showing up to these local shows. That sucks for us but I can't blame them.
The comment about the IRA needing Kertcher more than he needs them is pretty accurate. I'm pretty much done going to these local shows unless it's a Friday Dodge show.
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Posted By: "Strange Wings"(Savatage on July 03 2012 at 09:20:45 AM
You're ass has some hillbilly in it. Don't comment on anything other than that type of stuff, cuz that's all you know.
The real problem here and almost all "hub" IRA shows, is that there are 3 good cars and drivers and 27 slow ones who shouldn't be racing 410 sprint cars. How many times at these "local" IRA shows in the last 5 or 6 years has a very fast leader or charger get caught up by a very slow car? Probably why fewer and fewer "travelers" or "outlaws" are showing up to these local shows. That sucks for us but I can't blame them.
The comment about the IRA needing Kertcher more than he needs them is pretty accurate. I'm pretty much done going to these local shows unless it's a Friday Dodge show.
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Just curious on the comment about slow drivers... when was your last 12 second lap at PDT?
Slow? Ha .. half the forum bitchers would piss themselves the first time the tapped the gas in a real race car of any type.
Randy Sippel has an open-wheel driving school for all those who have the stuff to show everyone how it's done. Perhaps you could add your name to the list of three good cars and drivers? It would give a small insight of the actual talent it takes to do what these guys do.
I for one feel pretty damn lucky to have these types of shows so close by.
One other note - when your 20 laps into a green flag run, on a small third mile, anywhere, in any series your reaching well into back markers. You lose a half second a lap (or more) trying to advance or defend a position as a field does behind the leaders.
....and completely unrelated to my comments to Mr. "Strange"wings.
In actually reviewing the video in a comment I had seen earlier, between the 16-17 second mark in the video, you can see 80k made too tight an enterance to the turn and would have clipped the (barely visable) set of three tires at the apex to the corner. It appeares he corrected to avoid the tires and collected the 46.
The accident was an error in judgement and an intentional accident. My only opinion of the deal is I hate to see any car get wrecked in this economy when we want more cars on the track.
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Posted By: Old Race Fan on July 02 2012 at 11:03:55 PM
Good post 69. I never realized how many emotional women were sprint car fans. It was one of those racing accidents. Both driving hard and getting together. And, as for the 141 accident with Baylog, it's my understanding that Baylog never complained because he understands that he and Mike were after the same piece of realestate. You people seriously blame a guy for laying it on the line racing to win a clean sweep. Get a pair! Baylog apparently didn't make a big deal out of 141 because he would do the same. Would all of you really want it any other way? I wouldn't. The edge is what attracts race fans and drivers to the sport in the first place. Otherwise, we would all be little homo drifter fans running around in white sun glasses driving little white Subaru Impressa's.
Didn't Baylog destroy two other cars after 141 in a period of a week?
Fortunately the last two weeks he has been backdoor Billy Baylog, sort of like backdoor Billy Johnson against Melius back in the 60's. For you youngsters, that's Miles Melius running on the edge
while Billy Johnson ran on the bottom and backed into most of his wins. One had a set the other didn't!
Funny how history repeats. Enjoy it while you can. The IRA has a marketable pair of rivals going here.
Let's see if they are smart enough to massage it and use it to put fans in the stands. Is this fun or what? LOL
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Posted By: "Strange Wings"(Savatage on July 03 2012 at 09:20:45 AM
You're ass has some hillbilly in it. Don't comment on anything other than that type of stuff, cuz that's all you know.
The real problem here and almost all "hub" IRA shows, is that there are 3 good cars and drivers and 27 slow ones who shouldn't be racing 410 sprint cars. How many times at these "local" IRA shows in the last 5 or 6 years has a very fast leader or charger get caught up by a very slow car? Probably why fewer and fewer "travelers" or "outlaws" are showing up to these local shows. That sucks for us but I can't blame them.
The comment about the IRA needing Kertcher more than he needs them is pretty accurate. I'm pretty much done going to these local shows unless it's a Friday Dodge show.
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Posted By: "Strange Wings"(Savatage on July 03 2012 at 09:20:45 AM
You're ass has some hillbilly in it. Don't comment on anything other than that type of stuff, cuz that's all you know.
The real problem here and almost all "hub" IRA shows, is that there are 3 good cars and drivers and 27 slow ones who shouldn't be racing 410 sprint cars. How many times at these "local" IRA shows in the last 5 or 6 years has a very fast leader or charger get caught up by a very slow car? Probably why fewer and fewer "travelers" or "outlaws" are showing up to these local shows. That sucks for us but I can't blame them.
The comment about the IRA needing Kertcher more than he needs them is pretty accurate. I'm pretty much done going to these local shows unless it's a Friday Dodge show.
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well strange..the name really fits..why dont you take your no balls attitude your can of beer and your two dollar hat and go watch golf..those 27 slow cars are real racers ...and they all spend their hard earned dollars to put on a show ..and they dont deserve to be insulted by a stupid arse like you
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Golf is actually more entertaining than these Eastern wisconsin IRA shows. I'm know that these guys put all of their time and money into this. It's a shame.
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The ONLY thing that should be getting discussed here is that the car made it THROUGH the fence. Everything else is just your typical bullshit.
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Posted By: Old Race Fan on July 02 2012 at 09:32:27 AM
Nice camera work Gunner. Now everybody take a deep breath! Stuff happens. Watching the video posted here, (I was not there) Mike appeared to be the leader. Ty was a back-marker. When you watch the HD video in regular time, Mike entered the turn low to protect the inside from a charging Baylog. Bartz was riding the top of the turn. At the apex, (the middle of the turn) Mike began to drift high and Bartz started a sharp left toward a lower exit of the turn. Big mistake as a back-marker!
At the point of contact, Mike had an advantage over Bartz evidenced by where contact occured on the 80K. The far back 1/4 of the wing sustained damage on the 80 K. Simultaneously, Mike and Ty headed for the same track position and something had to give. As a back marker, and you know you are or at least should know you are, you have a shared responsibility to stay out of the leaders way. Mike tried to slide under and past Ty. Ty for whatever reason looked to exit low from the top of the turn. Responsibility is shared by both drivers. It was purely a racing accident. So all of you stop screaming like you belong on TMZ, it was a racing accident by two competitive drivers.
I'm not certain parking Kertscher for the incident was the right call. It appeared that is what happened? If it did, tread lightly IRA because you need kertscher right now more than he needs you. Without the 80 K this year, the IRA would have no show and the series point race would be long over. The on-track battle between Baylog and Kertscher is the best I've seen since Melius and Johnson back in the 60's. It's been building for two years, let it grow! Otherwise, your stands won't be 2/3 empty, they will be ¾ empty.
You have nothing else to hang your hat on, unless you bring in the hired guns to walk off with the prize money.
You know how your loyal drivers feel about that.
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Hell the 80 K couldn't even start to get into the corner smoothly as evidenced by the video. That isn't a slide job, he tried to drive in low couldn't control front end and goes up track and takes him out. Pathetic driving
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Wingdance, you may now have the record with the single best post for a first timer in the history of this place and I've been around these parts for over 15 years. Nice insight and logic and some great opinion to boot, welcome to this forum and continue to educate the masses or the morons, we both can use it, lol.....
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