Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
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Everyone should read the WoO engine rules so they know how regulated, spec, limited, restricted and just plain deballed their show really is. It is amazing how hard they are trying to eliminate everything that made them great before the current goobers took over. Tony needs to make a new true outlaw series.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

When I stand down in the infield with my camera those regulated, spec, limited, restricted and just plain deballed cars still make me darned near p*ss my pants. That must be worth something.

But seriously, we have a Sprint Car Hall of Fame full of legendary drivers that never even came close to going as fast as today's 360's. I'm watching races, having fun and not seeing a problem with the power of any of these cars.

Stan Meissner

I guess they could change the rule

to overhead cam, no limit on cubes, nitro. These $100,000.00 dollar engens might last for 5 races. They used to allow

big blocks of any cube. Teams used to run a big block in time trials and switch to small blocks to race. Nascar, Indy car, drag raceing all have engine rules. If you want to go to races and see 5-6 cars that could afford to race. They tried twice to get a different race group and failed. There are not enough 410 in country to form another group.

Or maybe you ought to crawl in one and win a WOO championship, saying as how they are so deballed and slow!

There already is a class that runs just the way you want them to, it's called NHRA.

Never hit stationary objects!

Agreed Stan

What do you want, no engine rules so the unlimited checkbook teams come with a motor that has power out of the realm of anyone else, although I would say that for the actual car itself it seems like these engines push what the actual chassis and shocks can do right to the outer edge as is, not sure if I'm right on that but especially on small tracks I don't know if you would notice more powerful engines doing much for the teams anyways as I think small tracks are alot of throttle control and handling. I can't say I have been to a WoO show where I thought "It sure would be better if they had more power." Just like NASCAR restricter plate racing it also comes down to safety of the drivers as well, everything has to be in the realm of fast but in control.

This conversation is hillarious because if there wasn't engine regulations the opposite post to this would be on here, "We need more regulations, this is out of hand and not fair." I listen to a NASCAR call in show once and awhile and I had to laugh at a guy who called in the other day and said the tires the cars are using now are too good and don't wear out so its making the racing boring. I just don't know where the middle ground for some people is.

JMO on that and I'm not saying it in a blasting way to you Minthess, I get what your saying and just think this is the middle ground to that thought.

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Oh yeah, and according to Sammy he's only 65% in the throttle the whole race anyways, so a bigger motor would mean he'd only be 50% in the throttle.

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More likely about 43% according to my calculations. By the way, good post.

deballed? limited?, ya got me! hook line and sinker, just in case your serious, were talking 950 hp and a 1400lb car , one gear forward , whats not to get excited about ?, please tell me your kidding?, Yes, NHRA type cars are impressive , but, if your In need of a reassessment of the post, find yourself in the dyno room with one ,( a 360 or 410) read your favorite book while they buzz it up to 8000+ RPM and tell me thats mild? no biggy right? ,pulse stayed flat, ? My father raced a pig of a 396 back in the day, that old boat anchor wouldnt hold a candle to todays 410, I dont even want to go into specifics, needless to say the old man was running for the door when we dynoed the first time , and the mill hadnt hit its peak torque yet, that was 6000 rpm! he left with a different idea on todays technology , I respect the past, its what makes today exciting, but, a comparison of the two is simply bringing a knife to a gunfight..

Everyone just needs to relax. minthess is just pissed because Roush/Yates spent a ton of money trying to make a solid 410 sprint car motor and it didn't even last one night. ;-)

This ^^^

"....950 hp....."

Interesting correction factor involved!

Maybe some of your Fords could keep up then.

Dont get me wrong. I have numerous Fords from a model T` to a 69 shelby mustang and if I were to buy a new car it would most likely be a ford but sprint car racing is not ford vs chevy vs mopar. It is about the drivers/people. Its Steve vs Sammy, WoO vs Posse, Opperman and Weld, Wiekert vs Hamilton, Haud, Hewitt, and any number of others. I couldnt care less whats under the hood.

great post...

Go Sammy!

You hit the nail squarely on the head!!

@ minthess, or should I just call you Jack!!!!

pay very close attention, its not voodoo, but, ya know, your right, thats wat i get for putting a unrhearsed # in front of a professional , sure some dynos vary up to 20% or better, the note is to do fueling and comparison on the same jet , thats a different story , well, anyway ,I was told once by a dragracer how humbeled I would be if my mill was put on a dyno , he looked pretty funney with black feathers sticking out of his mouth.

I noticed last winter in the hoseheads classifieds section that Ben Gregg was selling a motor that he said he had the dyno sheet for and it pushed 950 HP. I was surprised by that too as you usually here 800 HP out of these motors.

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granted most of these big HP mills dont have a long lifetime without exotic attention to internals, most of the components are cycled out frequently, todays outlaw motor id say is safe to assume 880-915, if you make a trip to Knox in August its even more, Shavers mills run pretty dam good, i dont see Donny with tons of trouble with them, last years nats he ate one pretty big in primary night, so did Kinser, maybe it was 2010 on the 11, S Girkins dont run shabby ither, anyhow, it sounded pretty nasty, Id venture to say the components were being punished to thier most aval, ever heard the term "lean is mean", it also makes HP!, in racers terms its like cocane for racing , trouble is ,sooner or later itll hurt ya .

hey, aren't you suppose to be working??? LOL

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

I would like to see all of these 950 HP engines taken to one dyno and see wat they really produce. I have also heard of 360 engines with 750 HP. I think part of it is a psych. job to make every one elso think that your engine is so great we do not have a chance.

Once upon a time a good 410 engine would spin to 8000 rpm, I believe they are now turning them over 9000rpm hence the increase in HP.