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Been hearing they have cut the purse on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday shows. Heard they will pay 6k and $500 to start.

Has anyone else heard this?

Heard that about Wed shows (of which Lincoln is one). Didn't hear about Sun/Mon/Tues though.

that must be because tires, fuel, and other parts and expenses cost so much less on those days.

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Maybe they are trying to save their penny's because they know they are going to have to pay Sides his money owed to him! lol

I bet the drivers would rather race a midweek show for lower purse than not race at all during the week. If this is what the WoO did so they can return to the bull ring, local tracks like Kokomo.... I am all for it.

ASCS National Tour also cut their purse big time.

should cut the tickets by 15% too! Oakland is right, ASCS cut their purse down a good chunk. ASCS even mentions it on their website

How quickly everyone forgets....

Back in the Prelim Night days of 2 day shows, the first night locked (4) cars into the final night show, but the purse on the first night was usually $5000 to win instead of $10,000.

The $10,000 to win EVERY WoO show didn't start until about 5 years ago (and subsequently, the Outlaw schedule went from almost 100 nights per year to 65 or so and only on Friday and Saturday with the exception of Lernerville Silver Cup and maybe one other show or two in PA).

Thanks for solid info vande77. Can anyone verify new WoO purse structure? ASCS has "modified" their purse structure (the way I read it) so that a two night show now pays 21% more than last year. And without Knoxville, STN, and Copper Classic, there will be somewhere around 55 events as compared to 22 last year. Seems like an opportunity to win more $$$$, but it also seems like will cost teams more to compete. Just glad the season is back....lets go to Florida........

Can you point to where the ASCS 2 night shows will pay 21% more in 2012 than they did in 2011?

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Why would did you omit the Copper Classic, and did you remember Yuma?

Friday, Mar 2 2012 - Copper Classic

Saturday, Mar 3 2012 - Copper Classic

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Apologies to vande77, Bluteam, and Bigfish......I blew that ASCS comment.....the ASCS web page under National News reads...30% decrease in one night purse and 21% decrease in two night purse (not increase..oops on me) is greatly outweighed by a increase from 22 to 55 events"....and my other booboo, it was Western World Championship instead of Copper Classic. My errors, no excuses, other than the OF syndrome, and I can't read. But I am anxious to get the season started....look for me at the tracks in the new "senior scooter" with new hearing aids and hopefully new reading glasses..:-)

some how i just don't get it. i know math was never my best subject, but it seems to me they are going to be increasing their races by about 150%. to me that would mean increased expenses of potentially 150% for traveling and fuel and tires and motor rebuilds and parts cost for normal wear as well as crashed stuff. payroll for the crew should be the same no matter how many races they run as long as they don't increase the duration of the season.

they will be doing that on somewhere around 70% of the money they would be making if the purse was left the same.

somehow increasing expenses by 150% to race for maybe 30% less money doesn't sound so good to me.

yes they might be able to make more total money by running more events, even if the events pay less, but they will be spending more total money to run them. somehow this just isn't making financial sense to me.

what am i missing?

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For helmet carrying drivers without any money invested in a team, the reduced purse races are a good deal. For car owners that go broke spending a million dollars to make $200-300K on the Outlaw tour, reducing the purse just moves the process along a little more quickly.

IF they had to travel exorbinate miles, your theory is correct.

From all accounts, (and by looking at the schedule), the midweek shows that have been added are tracks they were basically driving by to get to the following weekends race. Basically, they've reduced expenses for the teams by giving them a place to stop, make a little $$ (tow $$$ and hopefully some by running up front), while the miles on the truck and trailer as well as the hotel expenses stay the same.

Some teams were driving all the way back to their shop and spending 3-4 days there prior to departing for the next weekends races. For them, this should SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the miles they were putting on the hauler (but now they have to get that work in the shop done at other times).

i understand what you are saying somewhat.

still if teams were not having to pay for hotel rooms and other costs and expenses associated with living on the road because they were going home after events, and now they will be living on the road more, there could be those expenses. also there will be more costs for tires, race fuel, race car parts etc. it still costs about the same amount of money on average to run the car per event and you are not increasing the events by just a little, you are increasing them 150%. that is a season and a half.

lets throw some some imaginary numbers out there just for the sake of discussion.

lets say it costs you $1000 per event to run your car. you have been winning on average $1000 in purse money at each event. you are breaking even.

this year it is still going to cost you $1000 per event to run your car, costs aren't going down. yet due to the decrease in purse money you are averaging $700 in purse money. that means you are getting $300 per event less money. also instead of getting that $300 less for 22 events, you are getting it for 55 events.

let me try another hypothetical example.

what would you say if your boss asked to to work 150% more hrs for about 30% less per hr?

if you were working 40 hrs a week at 20 bucks an hr you would be making $800 a week. to make things easy here lets say there are no deductions being taken out and $800 is your take home pay. lets say it cost you $500 a week to live. you are left with $300 a week.

now your boss asks you to work 100 hrs a week for $14 an hr. you take home $1400.

you are bringing home $600 more a week. that might sound good, but remember the race teams expenses are tied directly to the amount of events it runs.

so to even things out in this example we have to increase your living expenses proportionally.

so now it costs you $1250 per week to live and you are bringing home $1400.

instead of having $300 per week left over, you have $150.

sorry for the long post.

as i said i understand your idea that there may be a few less miles traveled on the rig, but the cost of keeping the team on the road instead of sending them home between races is not much different. you have to assume average per event expenses will be about the same this year as last. especially since gas prices look like they will be going up. also you have the increase in operating costs on just the car to run it 150% more.

no matter how you look at it these teams will be running for close to 30% less money per event and it will cost them just about as much per event to run.

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Hey hey...Don't bring common sense and reasoning into this.

They just need a bigger truck to make more money.......

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