I'll just leave this here for ya gents.

http://news.yahoo.com/top-gop-aide-house-panel-ties-solyndra-224133088.html

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not to make light of the info you posted, but what is the point you are trying to make.

it looks like someone helped submit a loan application. the loan application was rejected and said to be a bad investment until obama became president. did this GOP aide have so much influance over obama he was responcible for the change in the loan status? was it this guy who made the obama administration go ahead with the loan? again, i really don't understand the point of the article other than the AP is trying to find a way to run cover for obama as usual.

to indy and beyond!!

The way I see it is that Bush gave our money away without any accountability required, and none asked for. Some in secret as I've pointed out, and some out in front of the white house with his middle finger in the air. He did that with the banks, insurance company's and the military industrial complex, with Chaney's company Halliburton leading the field in that area, and God only knows where the secret trillions that were given to the banks really went. That's where over half of the stimulus money went, and was added to our deficit before Obama took office. It helped no one but the rich and powerfull, and very well did more damage than good.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Documents Reveal How Paulson Forced Banks To Take TARP Cash

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The point is/was that if there's a nickel to be made it doesn't matter if you wear red or blue. If this guy was truthfully consistent enough to garner a job as an advisor to a top ranking official then he never would have been in a position to make the loan application in the first place. They've all got their hands out to the highest bidder at the end of the day. You know as well as I do that kickbacks are a major motivator for all congress critters with the exception of two. They're a father/son tandem that regularly gets dismissed by everyone from the media to the electorate despite the fact that they've been idiologically consistent for their entire public lives. Instead, everyone focuses on the beauty pagent and whoever has the hot name at the moment.

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i don't discount what you are saying. it is just that this no name aide, that didn't seem to be an aide when he helped solyndra apply for the loan doesn't seem to have much to do with anything except he may have been part of a group that was involved in the loan app. he doesn't seem to be a part of granting the loan. as it seems he didn't do a very good job any way because the loan was not granted------ until obama fast tracked it so solyndra could put up a front for his televised vist to tell the country how great solyndra was going to be.

now to your point that we are all money grubbing nickel chasers.............that is hard to argue!

to indy and beyond!!

$200 billion to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Obama, February 2009)
$30 billion for AIG (Obama, March 2009)
$1 trillion for toxic asset program for banks (Obama, March 2009)
$22 billion for Big 3 Automakers Chrysler and GM (Obama, March 2009)
$1 trillion for worldwide lending (G-20 countries, April 2009

Sorry Kenny I couldn't help myself, see you next month at Canyon.

Grady

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I am suprised that this thread has almost been reasonable,

the way I look at it, neither party really cares about anyone who is not in the 1%, neither party really wants all control as having the other party to blame, keeps the bottom 90% fighting amonst themselves all the while the top gets bigger

look it up the 1% earn more than $2 Million and year and most of them have net worth more than 20 million

Bingo, you just hit the nail on the head

Grady

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I didn't mean you in particular unless you worded that wrong.

Maybe I'm jaded but, the mere hint of lobbyist puts my guard up. I'm always expecting these people to be on the take and I don't limit my skeptisism to one party or the other. I do tend to be more forgiving of the moderates on either side because (foolish or not) I believe that they're much more likely to be reasonable but, as I said before, I'm wary of all of them.

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there is no reason this thread shouldn't be reasonable. we all have our points to make. nothing wrong with that.

the main thing is we all have something in common, we are race fans. as much as i may have a different political opinion than kenny, i wouldn't give him the time of day or waste my time if i didn't know he was an ardent race supporter. so as much as a politically screwed up idiot as he is, he is our politically screwd up idiot!!! LOL. and that is just fine with me. i have no problem with race fans.

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Never hit stationary objects!

Not a problem for me Carl, as I have a lot of on the job experience with people that are developmentally handicapped and such, so I just treat the Buzz here as if he were a client.

I do have a little trouble respecting anyone who might have cast a vote that would have put Sarah Palin in a position to be president though.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

kind of like my feelings for someone who cast a vote that DID put obama in the position of president.

i have no problem with someone making a choice. the thing is when that choice turns out to not give the results promised, why do it again? obama said if he couldn't fix the economy by the third year of his term, he didn't deserve another one.

i have nothing against the guy except he couldn't get the job done. not only didn't he get it done, he exacerbated it. he has had every chance to make his way work. he had total control of the government. he had and has the total backing of the major press organizations.

hey i give the guy credit for trying things his way. now it is time to GTF out of the way and let someone who has a better idea of what needs to be done have a crack at it.

to indy and beyond!!

If you guys want to throw insults around for who voted for who, if neither one of you voted for Perot in the 90's then you have no right to point fingers at anybody else.

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i was not so much faulting anyone for who they voted for, but for continuing to vote for them under the current circumstances.

gas has nearly doubled

declared unemployment has risen to over 9%, even though we were told the stimulus would keep it from going over 8%

national debt increased by 50% in three years

national health bill that no one can explain or understand just how it works

bad loan investments to try to prop up "green" projects

we need a business environment that invites growth and hiring. the current administration policies have only created uncertainty in the business community.

the only thing this president has been successful in lowering (besides his own poll numbers) is the national credit rating.

like i said, obama had his chance. he was given everything he needed. he had full control of the government including both houses of congress. he had the support of most of the people. he had the backing of all major media. his policies don't look like they are going to have a positive effect on the country any time soon.

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Buzz, what confuses me is that there are so many unhappy people that have been very vocal over the last several administrations but, when I look at the choices that each side continues to make as far as their leadership they keep choosing the same kind of people time after time. We, as a people, are inflicting this damage upon ourselves. We can debate each other (figuratively, liberals vs. conservatives ect. ect...) until we're blue in the face and it won't make a difference until we choose to take a significantly different direction with who we choose to represent us.

It isn't just Obama and it wasn't just Bush. Some would/could argue that we havn't had a good president in 50 years. I was born when Nixon was in office and I can honestly say that in my opinion we havn't had a good representative/leader in that office since I've been on this earth. Many on the right worship at Reagan's memory but, I can find a ton of fault in that one as well. We are a lost people until we actually do make a true fundamental change.

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i can't say i don't agree with you in at least theory. i don't know what the ultimate answers to our problems are. all i know is before we can start to fix them, we need to stop the bleeding. as long as we continue the policies of this administration, we are going to bleed. we are not going turn things around over night. it will take some time and some effort, but the first step is to stop the current bleeding. we need a president that isn't out there telling people what the government owes them or how bad the "rich" people are. that doesn't do anyone any good.

i have never had an excessive amount of money, but the money i was able to make the last few years of the bush administration has been able to keep me afloat since obama has been in office. i am tired of hearing how we had eight bad years under bush. that is not true. obama would kill to have bush's economic and employment numbers.

i am sure we can all find fault in each political party. the thing is obama hasn't tried to find a way to help our economic situation, he has used the economic down turn as a way to try to systematically destroy our financial infrastructure so it can be replaced with a structure and corporations that the left is trying to create so they can have ultimate control over them. i have to give obama credit, he got halfway there. he's pretty much got the financial infrastructure destroyed.

to indy and beyond!!