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Sprinter 79
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November 24, 2011 at 09:38:53 PM
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Ok Bigfish, firstly, if you served then I must say thank you. Secondly, I guess that we have gotten so polarized that we expect that folks are going to rip into us at every opportunity. It is a shame that we have gotten here. I simply replied to the thread at the start because I DO believe that it is about time. These people got elected on Hope and Change, and well, we HAVE NO REAL change. So sorry if any of this offended anyone, but it is what it is. I am just happy to see that folks are not going to just roll over and die, they are bucking the system and letting these folks know about their displeasure. As for singlefile saying that the perception of non-race fans towards race fans is that they are all Hillbillies. Well, if you think about it I am sure that there is a situation where you have a pre-conceived notion as well. Mine is with a few stick and ball sports. As unfair as it probably is, I can not look at Football or Basketball without first thinking that I am watching thugs play a game. Now I know that this is probably wrong, and I am not bashing stick and ball fans, but I kind of get it. And as for Madsen, you are absolutely correct!
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buzz rightrear
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Posted By: singlefile on November 24 2011 at 09:09:57 PM

Let me just clarify one thing. What I wrote above was that he booing of the First Lady did nothing to counter the stereotype that race fans are uneducated hillbillies. I didn't even really think that was any kind of a controversial comment. Seems like people are getting all twisted up over that comment, but my experiences are that non fans still view race fans as being on par or interchangeable with professional wrestling fans. Seems like a lot of you guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think that is still the perception of race fans by much of the general public.

Like I wrote earlier, your mileage may vary. It has been my experience throughout my life, however, that when I try to sell co-workers or my non-racing friends on the merits of the sport that it is usually looked down upon by people who did not grow up around the sport or non fans. My point was that the crowd reaction did nothing to break that stereotype of race fans.

Again, your mileage may vary if you thought that was a positive reflection on the sport.



if people have a negative perception of race fans for shouting a few boo's, i wonder what they think of people who take over public areas and make them unusable to the rest of the public, while breaking windows in businesses and crapping on police cars.

you seem to have a personal problem with nascar fans. you also don't seem to have a clue what the rest of the population thinks of them. nascar, no matter what you think, has brought racing more into the main stream and made it more acceptable. you seem to fit the stereotypical mold of someone lost in the past that just can't seem to accept that.

so you go ahead with your vendetta against nascar.

a lot of us will just enjoy the opportunity to see more racing.



to indy and beyond!!

BIGFISH
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November 24, 2011 at 10:23:43 PM
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.Ok Bigfish, firstly, if you served then I must say thank you.

First I stood up against our Government against that war, and the mindless people who shouted "love it or leave it". In case some of you don't get it, ( and I'm sure some still don't) thats what a patriot does for his county when his government is waging a unjust war with kids from your neighbourhood. My father who came home from the second world war with a bronze and two silvers stood beside me on this, and so did my Uncle Teddy, a Korean war Veteran. You also have to remember that a lot of Viet Nam veterans were also a large part of the anti war movement, and patriots all.


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watkinsgrady
November 25, 2011 at 08:21:54 AM
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This message was edited on November 25, 2011 at 08:42:24 AM by watkinsgrady
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Posted By: Hawker on November 24 2011 at 02:05:28 PM
I'm just going by the image that they portray...I've never seen a rebel flag used as a curtain on Bill Gates house. But I've damn sure seen them on the window of one bedroom of a mobile home and a Dale Sr. used on the one next to it. As Forrest Gump's mama said "Stupid is, as stupid does".


Hawker

How many times have you been over to Bill's house? Once again your point is that if someone is opposed to the current President or they don't like what the first lady said about this country they are "stupid" in your mind. Why is it that elite liberals always feel the need to insult when people don't agree with their stupidity? How smart is it to go to a foriegn country and throw fire bombs at the police "Luke Gates son of Bill" ?

Grady


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budz76
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Posted By: singlefile on November 24 2011 at 02:52:28 AM

Your mileage may vary, but your personal experiences must have been way, way, way, different than mine if you are arguing that college profs who have earned a doctoral degree don't refer to themselves as "Doctor." I have a business degree from a state school here in eastern Pensylvania, and it was my experience that professors with a doctoral degree always referred to themselves that way. I actually had a couple profs that were kinda obnoxious about it and corrected any student in class who mistakenly refered to them as "Mr./Mrs." that the proper term is "Doctor" and that is how students should address them. Hell, even the Superintendent at our local school district in town makes a big deal about his proper title being "Doctor."

The funny thing about both the NASCAR race and this thread is that it is people with less education than the average American talking down about people with more education than the average American. Nationally, about 30 percent of the population holds at least a bachelor's degree. Growing up around racing and being around it my whole life, I would put that number at 10 percent or less of race fans/participants.

I will probably get severely flamed for this, but the NASCAR crowd did nothing to refute the stereotype that race fans as a whole are uneducated hillbillies. People can argue all they want about the strides racing has made in recent decades, but that is still the stereotype of racers and race fans among non-fans.



I've been a sales professional for over 35 years. I graduated high school and have taken 15-20 community college classes to help improve myself. My best years, I was selling over $7 million so you do the math and figure out what I was earning. I have had at least a half dozen "Sales Managers" who have a Masters Degree in Sales and Marketing and I have to be truthful, the vast majority don't have a clue as to what makes a good sales person, not did they know how to provide sales support, treat customers or think on the go. All they knew what was "in the book".

1. Regarding the "Doctor" comment. I understand why people who have a Doctorate degree want to be referred to "Doctor". They EARNED it!

2. We also know that just because people are highly educated, it doesn't make them smart! Look at all the highly educated people who voted for Barak. Most of them were suckered in by the "hope and change" prophet and won't vote for him again.



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TANGENT; If you think our economic difficulties were caused by Obama, you are sadly, grossly mistaken. the 'illusion' that the republican party is the more fiscally responsible one, is a myth. snap out of it, my rural friends. perhaps it's time to do some reading!; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_financial_crisis
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It is a good thing that folks think that they can express their frustration or displeasure with this government, or any for that matter, in any way, shape, or form that they choose today!!!!
Sprinter79, thats why I told the people who were chanting "America love it or leave it" to me during the Vietnam war that they were wrong to say that, and that I was and am a patriot for standing up against it, and the government.

 



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wolfie2985
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It's somewhat comforting to know that if someone would have claimed Michelle Obama and/or Jill Biden as "Posse", this thread would have died by now

Ah, geeez, I just brought it up wink



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This message was edited on November 25, 2011 at 12:43:05 PM by BIGFISH

Most of them were suckered in by the "hope and change" prophet and won't vote for him again.
As if the reds has anyone to run against him..LOL I'll vote for him again, and with a little luck maybe the reds will actually help pass some bills to get this show on the road again, instead of voting down every job creating bill that comes before them; even if it originally was their own idea! The agenda of the reds is not to create jobs or improve the economy, it's to make Obama look as bad as possible. Their whole agenda has been to crush everything within their power that might help this administration do it's job, and to hell with helping us. It's borderline treason in my opinion.

Another myth is that all us commie pinko rat finks in the Democratic party are "highly educated", now thats funny. Don't know what happened to the reds, but running on stupid is just that!

NWFAN... Ascot was my home track from 63-74, but I didn't get to the track as much as I'd have liked starting in the mid to late 60's. It was a very busy and important time for those that were awake, and striving for change.


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sprintcarfanatic
November 25, 2011 at 01:31:18 PM
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How many people still working are for Solyndra (sp). 500 some million dollars, How much spent on Electric cars that are made in where, Finland at 89,000 a pop, 500 some million dollars. Shit I'll take 2 of them. Not. I don't care what you represent as long as it's good for the U.S.. Just please quit doing stupid shit. How many semi's with loaded ice for Louisana went there & then went to Conneticut at what 40,000 to 60,000 a day, How much relief going to Charleston S.C. went to Charleston W.Va.. I'm just a dumb son of a bitch but by god I could do that job. The latest I'm hearing is Obama wants to push through 433 million dollars for a vaccine that we have not had a case of in 5 yrs, Why, Because the guy that has it is a big DEMOCRATIC supporter. If this isn't fxd, Where are we going to be in 10 yrs if it takes that long.



buzz rightrear
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TANGENT; If you think our economic difficulties were caused by Obama, you are sadly, grossly mistaken. the 'illusion' that the republican party is the more fiscally responsible one, is a myth. snap out of it, my rural friends. perhaps it's time to do some reading!; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_financial_crisis


while obama can't be blamed for the cause of the economic down turn he can be held to some responsibility for the continuing economic situation. his policies have not done anything to reverse the problems. in fact it can be said that his policies have contributed to the continuation of them.

your wiki link shows something that was a great contributor to the economic down turn that most people don't even dwell on. the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act of 1933 that removed the separation of wall street investment banks and depository banks. that let the two banks work together to bundle and sell loans. that act was created after the great stock market crash to prevent just what happened recently to the economy. just to remind you, it was bill clinton who signed the repeal of that act.

also it was the laws pushed by democrats like the community reinvestment act that made banks have to keep a certain amount of sub prime loans on their books in order to be involved in interstate banking. the CRA continued to raise the level of sub prime loans required to be held by banks to the point that 50% of their loans were high risk. the bush administration tried on numerous occasions to rein in the sub prime lending and warned of the problems they were creating, but the dems pushed back and when the dems took control of both houses of congress in 2006 there was nothing anyone could do.

so no, i don't think you can blame obama for the cause of the economic down turn, but he sure as heck hasn't helped it.

by the way, wiki is not the best place to get your info.


to indy and beyond!!

buzz rightrear
November 25, 2011 at 02:01:16 PM
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Posted By: BIGFISH on November 25 2011 at 12:39:34 PM

Most of them were suckered in by the "hope and change" prophet and won't vote for him again.
As if the reds has anyone to run against him..LOL I'll vote for him again, and with a little luck maybe the reds will actually help pass some bills to get this show on the road again, instead of voting down every job creating bill that comes before them; even if it originally was their own idea! The agenda of the reds is not to create jobs or improve the economy, it's to make Obama look as bad as possible. Their whole agenda has been to crush everything within their power that might help this administration do it's job, and to hell with helping us. It's borderline treason in my opinion.

Another myth is that all us commie pinko rat finks in the Democratic party are "highly educated", now thats funny. Don't know what happened to the reds, but running on stupid is just that!

NWFAN... Ascot was my home track from 63-74, but I didn't get to the track as much as I'd have liked starting in the mid to late 60's. It was a very busy and important time for those that were awake, and striving for change.



you say you are going to vote for obama again. that means you voted for him before. now you have every right to your voting preference so don't get me wrong.

you also made a comment about stupid.

well i will take it further to insane.

the definition of insane has been said to be doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

obama has not been able to reverse the economic situation. he has greatly increased our debt. he has brought about uncertainty in the business community to the point they are hesitant to hire.

so to continue to vote for obama and expect anything different than what we already have could be said to be insane. now i am not saying you are insane. you may be happy with the current economic situation and the rising debt and the uncertain business environment and vote for obama to continue that.

oh one other thing. you claim the repubs are holding back the jobs bill. well the democratic held senate would not even bring the jobs bill up for vote. the repubs have several jobs bills, but the dems will not discuss them.

you can call you and your fellow dems commie pinko rat finks, i just call you uninformed.


to indy and beyond!!


revjimk
November 25, 2011 at 02:44:57 PM
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Right on, Bigfish!

Buzz RR: "the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act of 1933 " good point, Both parties are pretty much sold out to big $$ interests. Thats one reason I'm so frustrated with politics that the last 2 years I got interested in something crazy like sprint cars....



revjimk
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Oh yea, but the Republicans are worse.... they've said repeatedly that their goal is to defeat Obama, not help citizens. Once again, lesser of 2 evils, they've got us by the short hairs... grrr

Racing anyone? PAY JASON! Occupy Volusia???



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This message was edited on November 25, 2011 at 02:55:36 PM by BIGFISH

Found this>>>> "There likely would be no NASCAR without the Obama “bailout” of GM and Chrysler…you can’t run races with just one manufacturer. All the down-stream suppliers and auto malls and dealers would have sunk faster than iron-turds if Obama hadn’t stood up and saved these companies..who have now recovered, AND paid back their loans".

Seems kind of odd this was ignored by my right winged friends, but typical.



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Sprinter 79
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November 25, 2011 at 03:11:35 PM
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while obama can't be blamed for the cause of the economic down turn he can be held to some responsibility for the continuing economic situation. his policies have not done anything to reverse the problems. in fact it can be said that his policies have contributed to the continuation of them.

your wiki link shows something that was a great contributor to the economic down turn that most people don't even dwell on. the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act of 1933 that removed the separation of wall street investment banks and depository banks. that let the two banks work together to bundle and sell loans. that act was created after the great stock market crash to prevent just what happened recently to the economy. just to remind you, it was bill clinton who signed the repeal of that act.

also it was the laws pushed by democrats like the community reinvestment act that made banks have to keep a certain amount of sub prime loans on their books in order to be involved in interstate banking. the CRA continued to raise the level of sub prime loans required to be held by banks to the point that 50% of their loans were high risk. the bush administration tried on numerous occasions to rein in the sub prime lending and warned of the problems they were creating, but the dems pushed back and when the dems took control of both houses of congress in 2006 there was nothing anyone could do.

so no, i don't think you can blame obama for the cause of the economic down turn, but he sure as heck hasn't helped it.

by the way, wiki is not the best place to get your info.



Hey Buzz, you can't throw facts at them, they will just need to lay down and take a nap! Great points however, but they will fall on deaf ears. Government as a whole could care less about the people. And that is on both sides. But hopefully we will get Mr. Obama out of office and make an effort at finding someone who is willing to do something for the people and not push his agenda. From either side! Yeah, good luck with that right? All I know is that Mr. Obama shouts about American ingenuity and then he purchases hoards of stock (figuratively) in companies that seem to exist on the other side of our boards? HUH????
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buzz rightrear
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Found this>>>> "There likely would be no NASCAR without the Obama “bailout” of GM and Chrysler…you can’t run races with just one manufacturer. All the down-stream suppliers and auto malls and dealers would have sunk faster than iron-turds if Obama hadn’t stood up and saved these companies..who have now recovered, AND paid back their loans".

Seems kind of odd this was ignored by my right winged friends, but typical.




please show us where you found that. GM has not paid back it's loan as is being reported. they just borrowed from peter to pay paul. also the whole electric car thing is a big joke. we are being told every day to conserve electricity and that our electric grid can not support our use. we are told to turn off lights and do laundry at certain times. yet we are supposed to run out and by electric cars to plug into this already over stressed grid? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! also most of the electricity in a lot of places is produced from coal and natural gas. so the cars are really running on that, not electricity.

the thing is, the auto companies could have gone through normal BK and restructuring and come out just fine. the difference would have been union cuts. obama is so in the pocket of the unions he couldn't let that happen. so he screwed secured bond holders who should have been first in line to get their money back in favor of his union bosses. just like the solyndra deal where the american people were pushed aside in favor of his buddies to get their money. obama is a real hoot.

i don't know where you come up with most of your stuff but it is sure funny as hell!!!!!!!!!


to indy and beyond!!

Hawker
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Hawker

How many times have you been over to Bill's house? Once again your point is that if someone is opposed to the current President or they don't like what the first lady said about this country they are "stupid" in your mind. Why is it that elite liberals always feel the need to insult when people don't agree with their stupidity? How smart is it to go to a foriegn country and throw fire bombs at the police "Luke Gates son of Bill" ?

Grady



I've never been to Bill's place, but I've seen a few pictures of it and have yet to see a DE or Rebel flag used for curtains... BTW, I hardly consider myself as an "elite liberal". Though I never liked "W", I would never disrespect him in his prescence, the commander in chief and first lady deserve respect wherever they go in America.


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What good does it do for a president to present a policy to Congress, when Congress came right out and told America that the first thing on their agenda was to make Obama a one term president? Do you think that the first thing should be HELPING to get this country back on track instead of being the "party of NO"?


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buzz rightrear
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Hey Buzz, you can't throw facts at them, they will just need to lay down and take a nap! Great points however, but they will fall on deaf ears. Government as a whole could care less about the people. And that is on both sides. But hopefully we will get Mr. Obama out of office and make an effort at finding someone who is willing to do something for the people and not push his agenda. From either side! Yeah, good luck with that right? All I know is that Mr. Obama shouts about American ingenuity and then he purchases hoards of stock (figuratively) in companies that seem to exist on the other side of our boards? HUH????


it is not for their benefit that i point out what i do. you can't fix stupid. it is for the benefit of others who are open minded and who might not have that additional info needed to make up their own mind. the left has nothing to add to the discourse except to attack. it has no points to further by actual debate and discussion, so id just deflects and blames others. the thing is, the american people are getting tired of it. the american people for the most part can see through it. there will always be those who will follow the progressives no matter what. the thing is, most people in this country identify themselves as conservative. less that 20% identify as liberal.

i can agree that there is no perfect solution to be given by either side of the isle, but at this point in time the left is not leading in the path that would seem to bring about a reversal of our current dilemma.


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