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Does anyone remember the Knight Before Kings Royal in 1997 ? Tnn came on the Air at 8pm est and went OFF the air at 3 am est Sat Morning; Oh Yeah King Destroyed a car friday and won the Kings Royall ion car for the Indy Mile !! I know I was there at Eldora and I called home to tell the famliy to taped for me till 4am est Sat ! TNN allways stuck it out for Woo; even came back for a rain date either at Williams Grove; Terra Haute ; or a few other tracks; back then Tnn knew how to televise the Outlaws !!!

Long Live  20 Time  World Of Outlaws Champion Steve 
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Not bitching about a thing. Just offering a different perspective. There's more to life than racing and more than one way to enjoy it.

Amazing how people like to make personal comments.

When someone wants to talk about the future ways to introduce people to the sport and alternative methods of bringing it to the world, I'll be happy to continue the discussion. If you are not capable of doing that, then that's unfortunate but some people just can't be rached with reason.

i'll just leave it at that.

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There is a difference between introducing people to the sport and getting them hooked. If you want to "introduce" them...by all means have them sit on your couch and watch it on TV. I personally would rather take someone to the races so they will get hooked and become a fan.

But then again, maybe thats just because I believe in supporting the track and the racers now and in the future. I know you will come back with the same argument about Turn2 etc etc. You can pay your $20 bucks and let the track get a little portion of it. Or you can pony up and buy a ticket, pay for some track food, and maybe even a shirt.

A few years back there was a rain delay on one of the qualifying nights.

I remember sending my son a text and it said...

"It is midnight and they are just pushing off for hot laps, no other place I would rather be"

and while technology allows us old timers to not have to call the track after each WoO show to get results that night (because NSSN was so slow arriving), now we think we have to depend on technology so satisfy our unwillingness to wait.

I really don't think not showing the finale of the Nationals live is going to hurt the growth of the sport. Hasn't for 50 something years and I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Next we will complain because we can't pick up races live from the internet on our mobile device.

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Here's a list of everything that 777 has posted. If you check them all out and still think he's not deeply involved in Turn2, you need a reality check.

http://www.hoseheadforums.com/searchUser.cfm?userKey=20463

Couldn't even tell you who runs the thing and don't really care. All I'm saying is that they did a good job and that they accomodate a certain segment of the fan base.

What's wrong with that?

Missed my first Nationals in 21 years, and it really sucked!!! I unjoyed the years when it wasn't live tv. I even think last year the 50th was a better race because it wasn't live. Being stuck at home this year, I would like to have seen it live, but do understand the tracks reasons for it being so. Even turn 2 would have been nice, and I personally would have payed ticket price to watch it, and in the end it could have been money in the packets of the track without hurting the crowd. I made my hotel reservations for 2012 today, and can't wait to get back next year!!!! Because there is nothing like being at the Nationals every year!!! The sport of racing as a whole would never last if everyone wanted to sit home and watch it on tv or computer. Long live the Knoxville Nationals!!!!!!

It is very likely that this guy works for Turn2 media. Also, I personally believe that they should not show it live. It took them 5 hours to run 5 races without the delays of live tv.

So SPEED is going to show the finals at 12 PM on the opening day of the NFL regular season? How many casual fans do you think that is going to pull in? Their audience will be sprint fans that would pay for a live finals PPV and the live crowd hoping to see themselves on TV. I'm not sure how the track figures their SPEED contract is a better way to promote the event.

If your interest is truly in introducing people to the sport, I would argue a live broadcast on a specialty website is not the way to do it.

A live broadcast can test the patience of even die-hard fans when disruptions occur...and they always do.

And why/how would a new or potential fan stumble across the live broadcast on the internet?

A potential/new fan is much more likely to stumble across coverage on a prominent cable network like SPEED and a tape-delayed, edited, broadcast is much more likely to attract their interest and keep their attention.

I am with you 100 % .... that live TV deal about drove me away from even going on Saturday nights .... freakin helicopter overhead 'whup...whup...whup...' and the obvious time schedule for the early races (track ready ...no ...too bad ... send em out anyhow) ... tape delayed is the ONLY way to protect the ticket buying fan (customer.)

S.H.S.

I have never really bought into the argument that broadcasting the events live hurts attendance. Hell, the year the National Open was broadcast live was probably the biggest crowd I have ever seen at Williams Grove. Not really looking for a huge argument, but shouldn't the Nationals crowd have spiked way up this year compared to years when the race broadcast live?

With the economy the way it is - if the Nats were live this year attendance would have been down more than it was. Until there's a definite upswing in the economy, both fan and car counts will likely continue downward.

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Some of the posts in this thread are just unreal and when sprint car racing continues its slow demise in the future, I hope you people find the mirror.

It's not a matter of introducing new fans to expand sprint car racing, it's a matter of introducing new fans to maintain sprint car racing.

Turn 2 has to be profitable for Knoxville. I would guess the number of fans who are capable of attending the race but choose to purchase the stream is relatively low to the number of fans who aren't capable of attending the race but choose to purchase the stream. The lost profit from the higher costs of attending the race has to pale in comparison with the profit garnered by those who are unable to spend a dime to begin with.

And for those who gripe about attending a live broadcast race, the argument is weak and simplistic to begin with and can be turned right back around: If you know it's going to be broadcast live and you don't like it, then don't go.

This is pure speculation, but logic would dictate a fan who doesn't prefer a event to be broadcast live is most likely a diehard. I would think in comparing the probabilities of driving your diehards away with live broadcasts as opposed to creating interest in those who are unfamiliar with sprint car racing, the latter would win every time.

This ass-backwards thinking is going to heavily hinder sprint car (hell, dirt in general) racing's future. Advances must be embraced and utilized.

I never did like the live on tv deal. The year we waited around for an hour between races so we could go live sucked. Knoxville screws around enough without tv dictating things.

Attendance is down in part to economy. That is a pretty expensive week for me, tickets for a family of 4, camping, food. It all adds up and I don't keep track so I wont go into sticker shock.

Maybe its things like Saturday night this year. 4 races and we got done at 11:50PM. Good grief what is wrong with running a show thru. A lot of down time this year on Saturday.

B Main had no laps in and they have an open red. There was no reason for that. Dumb and just drug the show out more for no reason.

Also the pass out gate on the front chute is a joke. One gate with 200 people trying to get out. What happened to pass outs at every entrance. They have the means to move people around better but don't do it.

Its probably alot of things combined as to why attendance is down.